Khalistan Skeptics, Open Your Eyes!

[Raju]

Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too. Nobody likes to sacrifice for a greater cause. Our ancestors who sacrificed in a previous generation, it is the fruits of their sacrifice that is being enjoyed today. Without hardship no good can come.

There used to be a time when I also wished that there was a Christianstan where Indian Christians could live in peace .. there is a sense of joy that I derive from seeing the way Christmas is celebrated in Europe & North America. Don't you think my heart pines for such unsullied joy too.

Believe you me I am a most lonely man during Christmas here in India, yeah I would love to be with my people. And celebrate my festivals to best of my ability and feel real joy. Why is it that anyone is sacrificing here ?

Why not tell your Christian buddies to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq? The way I see it, in order to tell the world about what is right we need to have a strong voice and place to stand.

well they call themselves Christian but they do not follow any tenets of Christianity. The WASP kind of Christian has always sought global dominance. I belong to the Eastern Orthodox variety and we have a record of living in peace with all our neighbours except muslims perhaps.

Why not tell Indian government to give up Kashmir so that some peace could be established after 60 years of war?

Why should Indian govt give Kashmir to the Islamists ?

Any victory for the Islamists is a victory for terrorism and prejudice.

Why have they chased away hindus and all kinds of minorities away from Kashmir, why can't they live in peace with everybody and then cry Kashmiriyat then it will make more sense. Right now it is just an 'Islam is better than the rest' thing that is going on there. It does not have my support.

The way I see it, in order to tell the world about what is right we need to have a strong voice and place to stand. Without Khalistan no one will listen to us

Well in a sense I have to agree here, the Christians do have their own lands and countries. But Sikhs have none to call their own.

But I have a sixth sense that states the Sikhism is in due for great things.

Sikhs though have to be magnanimous and show a path to the rest of the world.

Through behaviour, through attire, through devotion, through courage .. all these percepts have to be renewed every generation.

Future India will be a Sikh nation.

[Bijla Singh]

I believe everyone deserves to live free way of life as they wish so long as it doesn’t infringe on others’ rights. So, if Dalits and Christians want their separate countries then by all means. World peace doesn’t depend on disintegrating the countries. All the countries can exist peacefully and have friendly relations. I don’t think it is the borders of countries that divide humans but our mentality and distrust. Humans at large lack honesty and good character. Punjab was peaceful ONLY during the Sikh rule. Even after 1947, Punjab has been invaded numerous times and blood has been spilled. All of this happened in the same country. Clearly the government is responsible. Therefore, the greater good will only come when people in charge will do something about it. Sikhs will bring peace in India when they are in power and become the masters of India. As long as Sikhs are suppressed, peace will never come.

Why should Indian govt give Kashmir to the Islamists ?

Any victory for the Islamists is a victory for terrorism and prejudice.

India doesn’t own Kashmir. It was forcefully taken over. Majority of the people do not want to be with India. India is greater terrorist than Kashmiris.

Why have they chased away hindus and all kinds of minorities away from Kashmir, why can't they live in peace with everybody and then cry Kashmiriyat then it will make more sense.

I will present numbers later on but briefly, most of the people who die are Muslims, most women who get raped are Muslims and most people who are killed in “encounters” are Muslims. So who is the victim? Take a look at the government set up camps for refugees (Hindus). They have all the facilities, clean rooms, toilets, bathrooms and they all get monthly payments from the government. Compare this to Shah Alam camp in Gujrat in which 10,000 Muslims lived and had no support of the government. Each person had his/her turn to use the bathroom after 9 days. Think about women’s needs. 1984 camps were even worse. Families of Sikh Shaheeds are suffering today but families of Hindus who were killed during the Sikh movement to this day receive money from the government. Hindus are not suffering but enjoying the luxuries. Their government takes care of them but who looks after minorities? No one. Why are they treated differently? They suffer and are killed for being “terrorists”. Their holy places are destroyed and future generations eliminated. I do not support Islamic terrorism or killing innocent Hindus but all humans deserve to live a decent life. No one will support world peace at the expense of their extinction. It is nonsense.

[Raju]

I disagree with you Kashmir contentions Bijla jee .. it cannot be compared to Gujarat. In Gujarat there was a Govt-sponsored pogrom. So the relief work for muslims was also affected by Govt bias. I have said on this forum before, if the Govt is a tyrant people need to be doubly careful. Never give up vigilance. I was not in India during Gujart riots time, so I can't give a first hand report.

In Kashmir the main opposing force to Indian rule is the Valley Sunni musalman. For them it is a matter of supremacy of their faith and fanaticism rather than any kind of freedom. The Shia muslim who lives in Gilgit/Baltistant and who lives in the valley is much more favorably discposed towards India because they are mistreated in Pakistan. The Buddhists of Ladakh are pro-India as well. It is just the valley Sunni wahabbi muslim who wants to serve his Saudi master desperately who has this attitude. I have no tears to shed for them, because their accounts are full of hypocrisy. They are so full of hypocrisy that no one can even begin to sympathize with them. They eat Indian rations and rice at subsidized Rs. 2/kg and then call people from the plains as "these Indians". Their entire life is subsidized yet they have nothing but contempt to show.

They have ethnically cleansed Kashmir just like Western Punjab was ethnically cleansed of hindu & Sikh. They are gonna have a really tough time removing the yoke of 'cruel India' from their back. For India intends to be very cruel with such people.

[Bijla Singh]

I do not care much about Kashmir so I won't post a reply. I am concerned with Sikh cause and rather focus on that. Waheguru will decide who gets Kashmir.

[JHUJAARROO]

kashir was not a part of hindustan in 1947

maharaja of kashmir s. hari singh ne 1947 vich pakistan de humla karan te hindustan ton madad mungi

hamesha di tran banie ne dhokha kita

ihi kashmir masla hai

kashmiri apne huq lai larh rahe ne

[Raju]

JHUJAARROO, do you mean when the Pakistanis sent tribal Afridis to Kashmir who then raped & looted Kashmiris ?

And the Kashmiri king then begged for India's interference ?

Later on Kashmiri Sunni muslims decided to ethnically cleanse kashmiri Hindus and declare their state as Dar-Ul-Islam.

Now Kashmiri Sunni muslims in Baltistan & Gilgit are chopping off limbs off local Shias because they are not muslim enough.

Do you want to see pictures ?

[guptveer1469]

show sum picz

[40 Immortals]

Really good posts my sikh brothers and sisters.

I dont know if i support the idea of khalistan or not. But i know 1 thing that if our 10th Sri Guru Ji of sikhism wanted khalistan they would've made the entire world khalistan. Every one would be sikhs. I mean come on Bhram Giani Akalis were waay beyond immortal. But i know the issues with it. In 1984 the indian gov't was sooo wrong. Not all hindus killed sikhs, some helped the sikhs. But in reality it was soo wrong so many Gursikhs lost their lives in the sikh temples. But God wants us to live in harmony, the best thing to win Gods affection is by living a truthful life, and doing Paat from you're heart.

[Harvinder singh Babbar]

attacking any1 holiest place of worship is enough to demand independence. We will not rest until our homeland is created. Khalistan Zindabad

[SaRpAnCh]

Really good posts my sikh brothers and sisters.

I dont know if i support the idea of khalistan or not. But i know 1 thing that if our 10th Sri Guru Ji of sikhism wanted khalistan they would've made the entire world khalistan. Every one would be sikhs. I mean come on Bhram Giani Akalis were waay beyond immortal. But i know the issues with it. In 1984 the indian gov't was sooo wrong. Not all hindus killed sikhs, some helped the sikhs. But in reality it was soo wrong so many Gursikhs lost their lives in the sikh temples. But God wants us to live in harmony, the best thing to win Gods affection is by living a truthful life, and doing Paat from you're heart.

Banda Singh Bahadur was given 5 teers to go take revenge and establish raaaaaaaj,Raj Bina Na Dharam Chale hai dharam bina sabh dalai malai hai, shashtran keh adeen hai raaj,koi raj ko kish na deh'eh jo leh he so nijbal seh leh hai,if Harmandar Saab is attacked the foundation of Khalistan will be laid - 5th June Shaheed Sant Bhindranwale declared Khalistan

attacking any1 holiest place of worship is enough to demand independence. We will not rest until our homeland is created. Khalistan Zindabad

Raj Karega Khalsa Baman Rehe Na Koi