Hair Issue

[Jap Har Har]

Amrit (referred to as deekhya in Guru Granth Sahib ji) is required and has it's importance repeatedly emphasized in the strongest most explicit possible terms in Bhai Gurdas ji's Vaars (one of the cannonical scriptures of our faith). Part of the deal that comes with Amrit is keeping uncut kesh. without Amrit, a person is not joined with the Guru, without a Guru a person cannot realisee God. This also is written in Gurbani. Feel free to search for it, I'm sure if you are persistent you will fid it.

You've got it wrong, your interpreting it wrong. I guess then no one else in the whole world has found god except Amritdhari gursikhs according to you.

read the previous posts actually read them

You cannot understand what I was trying to get through or I cannot understand what you are trying to say...lol

Another thing, the amrit that your saying is in the bani is not exactly what you think of it to be, Sri Guru gobind singh ji's amrit came into existence after all the other guru's Banis, and Guru Gobind singh ji's bani is from Sri Dasam Granth ji, Jaap Sahib, Chaupai Sahib etc.

Either way, its no use. Lets just say Vaheguru.

Japo Naam.

[ssfguy2]

Wow, wow, wow.

After reading your comments all I got to ask is

What's is the definition of "Har Har" in your name? Fully explain it as Har cannot be finished in just one line.

Amrit (referred to as deekhya in Guru Granth Sahib ji) is required and has it's importance repeatedly emphasized in the strongest most explicit possible terms in Bhai Gurdas ji's Vaars (one of the cannonical scriptures of our faith). Part of the deal that comes with Amrit is keeping uncut kesh. without Amrit, a person is not joined with the Guru, without a Guru a person cannot realisee God. This also is written in Gurbani. Feel free to search for it, I'm sure if you are persistent you will fid it.

Sun Singh Ji you are absolutely right.

Obviously, Jap Har Har has knowledge about God and the path to achieve it but Guru's path is not for Jap Har Har.

Singh Valiance great work on explaining things.

Jap Har Har

Nobody is forcing anything on you to keep hair or not. It's completely your choice and you are reasoning your way out by saying that living in Anti Sikh neighborhood pushed you towards this. Basically I can see your parents were the reaon you had to keep long hair, it was imposed Sikhi, fault is not yours but of your parents who were Sikh impostors. It's understood Guru never blessed your parents.

That imposing of keeping hair became the reason. Yes Guru will do kirpa one day and without imposing you will realize that you should keep your hair long.

My Question to you is and I am not looking for an answer based on Gurbani

What does long hair do to you?

Guru Fateh Jio.

[Singh_Valiance]

Namdev was a bhagat of Krishna , his compositions are part of the Gurbani because of his wisdom and learning , you just shouldn't take him as an example to defend yourself.

Lemme just make one thing clear, My post was not to defend myself, it was just to make the sangat think from a broader prespective rather than just KEEP HAIR or BURN IN HELL.

Is there anyone in todays kalyug that loved the true Lord like Namdev did, or Kabir? Please get out of your preaching selves and become followers first.

I wasn't even in any conversation that I had to defend myself regarding anything. My choice is mine, your Choice.. Guru pyareo is entirely yours, thats what we think..lol..now dont we. But the truth is I am exactly how he wants me to be and you are exactly how he wants you to be. Vaheguru.

I did not ever suggest that Namdev was a gursikh, the whole reason behind mentioning him was the post above me-->For Lord's love it is not a necessity to have hair, and IT IS WRITTEN NOWHERE or said nowhere that you cannot attain the lord without your hair.

My dear friend , today Sikhism doesn't need Keshdhari/Amritdhari men to defend the faith , it needs leaders , and leaders will be born in apt. environments where Sikhi will prosper and every single aspect about Sikhi is glorified , whether it is keeping hair or Naam Simran. Today the problem with Punjab is not politics as we often blame , the problem is about 80% rural Sikh Youth , who cut their hair , problem is with thousands of Sikhs outside Punjab who intermingle with typical U.P/Bihar filth , and forget who they are. Problem is with the youth who cut their hair , and call Keshdharis 'bhaapas' , problem is with Sikhs who keep fancy beards .

We are going astray from the point in hand, but I wholly agree with your view on this subject as I have commented on that'Punjabi youth gets beaten up" thread under General Category.

I almost agree with whole of what you said , but I didnt like the way you defended yourself .

My brother, you made a mistake thinking I am defending myself, mentioning a view point from a different angle does not mean they have the automatic liability to defend themselves regarding the same view point they just mentioned. Did I say i conside myself a gurmukh? You saadh sangat ji are 100 times great than I. I just realised his name some time ago while you I take it have been chanting his name for so many years. You are much much greater than what I am. I am a worm, not much different from the filth you talk about. There is or never was a comparison in the first place, then how can I defend it.

If it is HIS will to forgive me, then I may be saved.

A sikh's life starts with being a manmukh , and as He grows He slowly learns about Sikhi , Maryada and Rehat , and as He grows , He reaches a stage where he finally decided to give his Head to Dasam Patshah by taking Amrit. I have lived in 8 different districts in Punjab , and I have seen everything in front of my eyes. I have survived onslaughts of hundred of my fellow youth taunting my Sikhi , and when I grow up and see my Gur Maryada that was being followed by my family , I decided to take it forward , and thats what I am trying to do now , rest is GuruJi's agya .

8 districts..hmm. I was born in UAE, and I kept my hair till the time i was there, around 16 years. Talk about onslaught, let me just say that you were still in Punjab, and the term onslaught would be well defined if you were in a isolated place where your culture has no value to the locals there. You seem to be a lil mature, so I will let you imagine what it would have been like staying between sikh hating muslims.

I always pity Sikhs who cut their hair . Problem is , you are a Sikh , and I am always afraid what an outsider will decipher about Sikhi when He sees you , would you explain to him , that you Jap Naam , whenever its His will? , no one has that much time , We are Sikhs , first look , and the world should know what we stand for.

Umm..One peice of advice to you, dont pity others, pity yourself, the gurmukh way. I would not explain anything to anybody, I would just tell them that we worship the one Lord of the universe, and we believe in righteous living and day and night remembering of him. I amnotthe preaching kind, as it is not my placeto preach. Lord knows we have enough preachers already in sikhism, bring into that all the religions of the world....boyy...it gets confiusing, so I would just tell them to chant his NAME, NAAM, thats it.

If you are a one bit Sikh , follow all the ten Gurus , especially the importance of Kesh as put by our 10th Guru , You are no one to choose whats good for yourself as long as their is a Guru who has already chosen the best for you. Waheguru.

And Guru pyaare, learn from history and the bani, talk like that where you judge others not to be a sikh actually drives the sangat away, we have enough baba's using those lines, right from the 80's and where did that get the youth of punjab^^^right where you dont want them to be. The best place to start is chant his name, day night, everything will fall into place by itself. Not by anyones speeches, and yes...ONLY by his divine will. You or I are illetrate fools and we cannot understand and are not meant to understand why he does, what he does.

Dont make it so complicated, Chant Vahegurus, Har Har's NAAM.

Jin mastar turr Har likheya;

Tina Satgur mileya Ram Raaje

Ageyan Andhera Kateya;

Guru gyaan ghat baleya;

Har ladha ratan padarthon; fir bohor na chaleya

Jan Nanak naam aaradheya;

Aaradh HAR mileya.

Sri Guru Amar Das ji said you can chant and chant Har Har Har by your tongue thousands of times, that is not worshipping, you have to clean your heart, clean all the deep intentions of maya first, true love brother, true love for the lord is what we need for salvation, nothing else.

May the Lord bless us all to chant his name true from our hearts, just focused on to his great-self and keep it from wandering. May the Lord bless you all, and the lowly me, for only he know of what sins I have commited. Mercy Vaheguru. Mercy.

Bhul chuk maaf Guru pyaareo

We are humans, we will always make mistakes.

Thats almost exactly what I was afraid of , taking each and every line of my post and giving your views on it , I had do the same as I have the strongest arguments for your each statement right now. But I never do that here on these forums . When I saw your post , I was just afraid , about the difference that it can make to any young Sikhs studying these forums , they can find out reasons at the drop of the hat for cutting their hair , belieive me. I don't want my coming generations come up to me and say , "Sikhi is about Naam Simran and Hair doesn't matter to the God " , and if you don't like my comments (which as per you are from 80's ) , I had take pride in it , I am an old school Sikh , I have faith that I have survived till now , so that I can atleast if not anything else , inspire others to whatever extent I can , anyways come to Punjab sometime , we can have Langar together . , Maybe I can help you out with things or I had just Serve you in Langar.

[Jap Har Har]

Sun Singh Ji you are absolutely right.

Obviously, Jap Har Har has knowledge about God and the path to achieve it but Guru's path is not for Jap Har Har.

Lmao..who wrote this, I cannot tell since it is all written in quotes, whoever wrote this, forgive us for not realising God personally sent u to tell me guru's path is not for me..lol, Im sorry i take it back, you dont sound like guru ki sangat, but like a dumb christian preacher. Again, I do not have dumb things to say to you. Have fun wid life.

SSFGUY--watch it guy--Read english slowly and you might understand it.

You are lost, you just proved it by your totally baseless immature post of presumptions and commenting on parents.

Hopefully your parents have more sense than you do. Hopefully.

Jap Har Har

Nobody is forcing anything on you to keep hair or not. It's completely your choice and you are reasoning your way out by saying that living in Anti Sikh neighborhood pushed you towards this. Basically I can see your parents were the reaon you had to keep long hair, it was imposed Sikhi, fault is not yours but of your parents who were Sikh impostors. It's understood Guru never blessed your parents.

Oh paii..ki gal anna va, you blind? Did you even read what I wrote and to which question my answer was directed??

In case you are----->Vigilance wrote that he lived in 8 districts where he stood up and all etc, so my answer to him was Bro, I lived in a real onslaught environment and I DID NOT GET MY HAIR CUT EVEN THEN, I GOT it cut 4 years later when I was in india..lol..

When did I say living in blah blah environment pushedme to this or that??

DO NOT presume stuff. If you do not have the intellect to have a conversation then please stay out of this, WE wont miss you.

And another word of warning, I didnt go on about your parents, Do not go on about mine. You dont know 2 hoots about my parents or me, sitting on your lazy <banned word filter activated> and judging ppl just coz ur amritdhari, boy we have alot of you in India and they can babble on the internet all they want, but they shut the hell up once your standing in front of them.

WATCH WHAT YOU SAY. Parents are personal. Walk on chump, go defrag your hard drive or something. I dont have no respect for stupid ppl like you who think they are god's beloved followers, blinded fools, and then you end it with guru fateh jio, Have some shame you stupid fool, stop lying to yourself, Clean your corrupted mind first, then think about gurus kirpa, talking to ppl like a dumb judge that you are.

There are indeed some very stupid and annoying kids on here who cant even read and understand english, instead of replying with meaningless stuff thinking "How dare he say that" "Hair is everything for sikhi" "my sikhi" blah blah blah....grow up kids...grow uppp.

[Jap Har Har]

Thats almost exactly what I was afraid of , taking each and every line of my post and giving your views on it , I had do the same as I have the strongest arguments for your each statement right now. But I never do that here on these forums . When I saw your post , I was just afraid , about the difference that it can make to any young Sikhs studying these forums , they can find out reasons at the drop of the hat for cutting their hair , belieive me. I don't want my coming generations come up to me and say , "Sikhi is about Naam Simran and Hair doesn't matter to the God " , and if you don't like my comments (which as per you are from 80's ) , I had take pride in it , I am an old school Sikh , I have faith that I have survived till now , so that I can atleast if not anything else , inspire others to whatever extent I can , anyways come to Punjab sometime , we can have Langar together . , Maybe I can help you out with things or I had just Serve you in Langar.

Sorry brother, but answering to your views coul;dnot be just typed out in one paragraph. Hence, I answered with my views for each topic seperately.

Please donot get me wrong, I in no way say that a Gursikh can live without cutting his hair, NO, never. What I was answering to and presenting a more borader point in; is the fact that IT IS NOT A super hardcore necessity, THAT YOUR DAMNED if you dont have hair. Please dont encourage such thoughts. There can be many reasons a sikh who prays to god as lovingly as you do can be a cut surd, point in bringing up Namdev Ji and Kabir Ji was the same, true lovers of God. regardless, I bow before Dasam Guru jis orders and await Almighty Lord Har Har hare / Vaheguru's blessings to do the same.

It is sad how some stupid hardcore ppl think they are the true followers of god but they dont even know what Jap Ji sahib , Sukhmani Sahib, rehras Sahib, Akal Ustat stand for...they just dont know.

Hence when a person from a different religion meets them and asks them about GOD, they go on OUR LORD IS THE MOST POWERFUL LORD, ONLY WE GURUSIKHS ARE WORTHY OF HIS COURT..blah blah freaking blah...stupid illetrate punks. How different is that from those jihadis, who they think the lord loves them more than the whole world and all other religions dont stand up to theirs. Maharaj created all religions, have respect for everything not just yourselves and your biased thoughts.

Singh Vigilance ji, you have already done langar sewa to me just by writing it. I humbly appreciate your service, and salute you. I salute every pathi sitting and reading Guru granth sahib ji when I bow to our Guru Granth sahib ji (matha tekna)..WHY??? He takes my lords name, our lords name.

I am in chandigarh brother, do let me know where you are. And i will do my best to visit you on a weekend, however this time you will give me the honour of serving you langar or help you in some other way.

Someone asked what is Har Har Hare..

You still dont know after reciting Jap ji sahib, Rehras sahib?

Har/Hari, is what our guru's reffered to the Allmighty as. He has billions of names. Vaheguru/Hari/Har Har Hare, is just what I prefer addressing Maharaj as.

[Matheen]

Jap Har Har Ji: you speak of Bhagat Nam Dev Ji - have you read his discription of Akaal Purkh when he got Darshan?

Do you consider yourself more clever than Guru Gobind Singh Ji? Tell me, who is your Guru and do you think it is important to follow your Guru's teachings? Gurbani tells us that without a Guru, we can't make any Spiritual progress.

I look forward to your answers.

Take care.

[Jap Har Har]

^^The next thing you would have done after getting the so called knowledge of bani is ask Dasam Guru ji why he put Namdev ji s name in Guru granth sahib, or kabir ji's. Why he chose to include it in Guru granth sahib when he compiled the guru?

You know what--->Do i sound like a preacher to you? Why would you say such crap? When did you get that impression? Stop posting with your utterly meaningless accusations. You dont make any sense.

Why would you compare me to Guru gobind singh ji. Are you seriously that stupid?

Answer me.

You still dont know who my guru is...My god...lol

Then you wont know even if I write it down with the biggest font.

Read my last 2 posts and then tell me you still dont know who My Guru is.

Next time you want someone to clarify something for you, DONT ACCUSE them of meaningless BS. Alright.

Take care.

[Matheen]

^^The next thing you would have done after getting the so called knowledge of bani is ask Dasam Guru ji why he put Namdev ji s name in Guru granth sahib, or kabir ji's. Why he chose to include it in Guru granth sahib when he compiled the guru?

You didn't answer the question - you accused Bhagat Ji of not having Kesh yet you don't know what he says about Kesh.

You know what--->Do i sound like a preacher to you? Why would you say such crap? When did you get that impression? Stop posting with your utterly meaningless accusations. You dont make any sense.

Please point out a single accusation in my previous post.

Why would you compare me to Guru gobind singh ji. Are you seriously that stupid?

I didn't compare you, I asked you a valid question. Guru Gobind Singh Ji has asked his Sikhs to keep Kesh. You say that Kesh are only for the 'hardcore'. Hence I asked if you feel you know more about the importance of Kesh than Guru Ji.

Answer me.

You still dont know who my guru is...My god...lol

Then you wont know even if I write it down with the biggest font.

No, I don't. A Sikh should live by his Guru's teachings, including how to speak and interact with others - in other words a reflection of his Guru, as in "Khalsa Mera Roop Hai Khas". From your posts, I can't tell who your Guru is.

Kind regards.

[Jap Har Har]

Do you consider yourself more clever than Guru Gobind Singh Ji?

Is not the way to ask someone to explain something. That is a clear note to to start a heated argument and you know it. So next time, I would appreciate you ask a simple question minus the smart-<banned word filter activated> structure of the question. Thank you.

What you did was a straight comparison. Read the question. Why the heck would you write something so negative?

I will just quote from my previous post:

I salute every pathi sitting and reading Guru granth sahib ji when I bow to our Guru Granth sahib ji (matha tekna)..WHY??? He takes my lords name, our lords name.

Same post I asked you to read but somehow you missed My guru Sri granth sahib ji. I dont think that was a coincidence.

You seem to concentrate a lot on Guru Gobind singh ji's sayings. That is very good. However, I would advice you to also give the same attention to Other guruji's teachings. They are in our treasure Guru Granth Sahib ji.-->Importance of Naam.

By Khalsa, guruji didnt mean the Nihangs who do ghota or sell afeem outside. By khalsa he was referring to the person who has Vaheguru in his mind, day and night and lives righteously. Well that has surely gone astray by a majority. However, there are some khalsa ji's who do live in exactly like the guru asked them too. I know more families who are hair keeping singhs but not amritdharis that chant name just like any amritdhari's , maybe more. Majority is of the cut surd punjabis. Step into the world, and youd be surprised how many of them do sewa and jap naam just like you, if not more. Lets say the rest half are Hair keeping Singhs, but most of them are not amritdhari. Again...step out of the limited viewpoint and you will find how many of them do the same sewa as you if not more and love god the same way.

Amritdhari's do the same , sewa, jap naam, have khande vaate da amrit. My very first post was I respect them.

What I dont RESPECT are; some blinded amritdhari fools who think GOD REALIZATION is just limited to them in the whole world, and NOBODY else. Blinded fools, who cant even UNDERSTAND A CONVERSATION before presuming and accusing and judging them of a situation which actually never happened. Cartoons...lol.

Dont be confined, you nor I know the working of the Lord. You ARE obeying his will as he wishes and I am obeying his exactly as My great Lord wishes. So is the rest of the whole world.

Vaheguru.

[Matheen]

Veer Ji,

There is no difference between Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Guru Gobind Singh Ji or any of our Gurus.

We are talking about Sikhi here, not some other religion. Guru Sahib has asked his Sikhs to take Amrit and keep 5 Kakkar. This is the first step, not the last. We can all recite Waheguru again and again but without Guru's kirpa we won't get anywhere - Gurbani is clear on this. For Guru's kirpa we have to follow Guru's instructions.

You claim your Guru is Guru Granth Sahib Ji, who tells us, "Mitha Bolna, Nivke Chalna," yet you swear and abuse others in your posts.

You stress the importance of Naam, but what is Naam and where do you get it from? When you give your head, in return Guru Ji gives you Naam Di Daat.

If we have so much pyaar then why not do what they say?

What it comes down to is, do we want to follow our own way or Guru Ji's way?

Guru Ji Kirpa Rakhan.

PS: you might want to correct the Shabad you have posted in your signature.