Groups And Divides In Sikhi

[20legend 0]

well, we seem to have enough groups on cussing out every other tom <banned word filter activated> and harry, so i thought id post a topic with problems a bit closer to home!

why is it, we have so many different groups in sikhi today?? why are there so many divides in sikhi in terms of some people agreeing to part written in the guru granth sahib and some people contesting it??

i know this is a touchy subject and i know some people dont actually know how to discuss on here, rather make statements that are nailed on with no grey areas!

so people, shall we discuss what can be done to help us to get along better with one another? whether you be an AKJ, or a new age nihang, or whatever other group people are associated with these days..

not only that but this new student federation thats opened up along boss, i mean i have no problems at all with the new one as they seem to want to do more to help the youth of today (from what ive read) but wouldnt it have been a decent enough idea to jus combine and revamp boss rather than making a breakaway group thus providing you with issues in terms of attracting students to a group that they dont know too well, which hasnt been tried or tested, whereas boss has??

im just throwing out ideas here, im sure your will flow just as nicely...

[Kaljug Singh 46]

why is it, we have so many different groups in sikhi today?? why are there so many divides in sikhi in terms of some people agreeing to part written in the guru granth sahib and some people contesting it??

Haumai.

Pithily,

- K.

[20legend 0]

why is it, we have so many different groups in sikhi today?? why are there so many divides in sikhi in terms of some people agreeing to part written in the guru granth sahib and some people contesting it??

Haumai.

Pithily,

- K.

thats a start lol

[Kaljug Singh 46]

On a more serious note, it's simply in the nature of a religion to branch off into different areas, to fragment as diverse peoples join, and to grow increasingly complex as the literature on the subject grows with the passing of time.

The central message of Sikhi is so simple, that the vast majority of thinking people cannot but help tease things out of the teaching to appease their rational minds.

There's nothing wrong with that - after all the vast majority of us don't have the faith and the discipline to simply learn Gurbani, to live a simple wholesome life, and to do naam simran - but without actual practise and experience of union with the Divine, they are just games for our egos to play.

The solution is simply to learn from people of high jeevan, and to follow the path in a practical sense in whatever way you find most comfortable, and trust that the sangat you keep and Akal Purakh will lead you on the path. Similarly, you need to recognise that your fellow Sikhs may have a different experience and a different need.

Some people who emphasise kirtan and shabad bani will find a comfortable niche in AKJ, people of intensely scholarly and mystical bent may be attracted to jathas of Nirmala persuasion, and others who have a greater need for the more martial aspects of Sikhi may find themselves at home in a Nihang Dal. They are all Sikhi, and their essence is the same.

Oh, and you should kill everyone with whom you disagree.

- K.

[Degh-Tegh-Fathe 1]

The Problem is we treat sikhi as a relegion...sikhi is not a relegion but yet a way of life, when you take amrit your head is guru sahibs, meaning that what guru sahib says is what goes...if we treated it like that we wouldnt get divisions....also 3rd parties have always been distorting maryada and this also causes tention....i think it was 15 jathedar of akaal takht that changed maryada from keski to kes, so know today there is so much confusion about it.

[20legend 0]

On a more serious note, it's simply in the nature of a religion to branch off into different areas, to fragment as diverse peoples join, and to grow increasingly complex as the literature on the subject grows with the passing of time.

The central message of Sikhi is so simple, that the vast majority of thinking people cannot but help tease things out of the teaching to appease their rational minds.

There's nothing wrong with that - after all the vast majority of us don't have the faith and the discipline to simply learn Gurbani, to live a simple wholesome life, and to do naam simran - but without actual practise and experience of union with the Divine, they are just games for our egos to play.

The solution is simply to learn from people of high jeevan, and to follow the path in a practical sense in whatever way you find most comfortable, and trust that the sangat you keep and Akal Purakh will lead you on the path. Similarly, you need to recognise that your fellow Sikhs may have a different experience and a different need.

Some people who emphasise kirtan and shabad bani will find a comfortable niche in AKJ, people of intensely scholarly and mystical bent may be attracted to jathas of Nirmala persuasion, and others who have a greater need for the more martial aspects of Sikhi may find themselves at home in a Nihang Dal. They are all Sikhi, and their essence is the same.

Oh, and you should kill everyone with whom you disagree.

- K.

big up respect to this post, i couldnt have worded it better if id tried!

if only all people could adopt a similar mindset then we'd probably have fewer problems!

but even though i agree with your post almost fully, i still feel that sub-sections take too much of what they want and work almost solely on that, again, egotism in its finest form..!

it seems like there all a makeshift for the bigger picture, some weaker than others...

they all lead to a similar or the same goal, but at what price??