The Laws Of Karma

[valli singh 0]

Anurag Sagar is not in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji,

it is a seperate text written by Kabir as a dialogue

between him and his top disciple Dharam Das

in which Kabir ji answers in great detail very specific

questions about the nature of Akal Purukh, Sachkhand,

the origin of the soul, Dharam Raj and various aspects

of walking the path of bhakti,

as it is in the form of an in-depth discussion

which really answers some very difficult questions

I have found it really helpful in illuminating many

aspects of Gurbani that would otherwise be difficult to decipher,

the text is hard to come by, it is usually in Hindi,

there might be some partial english translations,

I think one was posted on sikhawareness a while back.

Guru's Grace

[valli singh 0]

bit of a summary:

Kabir to Dharam Das (Kabir’s devotee): How GOD created the creation. This is quite

different as compared to Vedas/Puranas because all the Vedas/Puranas tells the stories how

world was creation after Brahma/Vinshu/Shiv. But the following narration tells us how creation

was created and how the trinity was created.

1. GOD created the souls, and looking at them HE felt very happy.

2. The GOD created 16 sons uttering the Shabads: All the sons (1 through 16) meditate on

SAT-PURASH and eat nectar. The limitless beauty of the worlds created cannot be

described. All worlds get light from the Light of Sat Lok. Even the sun and moon shine with

the Light of one hair of Purush.

a. 1st Shabad: "Worlds" and "oceans" were created. HE made the throne of the 4 worlds

and sat on the lotus. Where GOD sat, desire was created. In the WILL of SATPURASH

88,000 islands were created. In all the worlds HIS desires exists.

b. 2nd Shabad: "Kurma" was created with the desire of remaining attached to HIS feet.

c. 3rd Shabad: "Gyan" was born. When he came before Sat Purush and bowed down to

Him, HE ordered him to go into creation.

d. 4th Shabad: "Vivek" was born. He was ordered to live in creation by Sat Purush.

e. 5th Shabad: A brilliant light came into existence. A son named "Kal Niranjan" was

incarnated. He is created from the most glorious part of the body of Sat Purush that is

why he troubles the soul.

f. 6th Shabad: "Sehaj" was born.

g. 7th Shabad: "Santosh" was created who was given permission to go into creation.

h. 8th Shabad: "Surat/Attention" was created who was given permission to go into

creation.

i. 9th Shabad: "Infinite Happiness" was created.

j. 10th Shabad: "Forgiveness" was created.

k. 11th Shabad: "Nishkam" was created.

l. 12th Shabad: "Jal-Rangi" was created.

m. 13th Shabad: "Achint/Worrilessness" was created.

n. 14th Shabad: "Love" was created.

o. 15th Shabad: "Din Dayal" was created.

p. 16th Shabad: "Patience" was created.

q. 17th Shabad: "Yoga" and "Sants" were created.

3. "Kal Niranjan" did the devotion of GOD for 70 yugas standing on one leg.

a. GOD/Sat-Purash was pleased by him, GOD asked him for something as boon and

then Kal requested to have some place to live. GOD told him to go to "Mansarovar"

and he went there.

4. Again "Kal Niranjan" did the devotion of GOD for 70 yugas standing on one foot.

a. GOD asked "Sehaj" to inform Kal that HE is pleased with Kal Niranjan, and tell him

that I have already given him(Kal) 3 worlds to live and what is the purpose of his

devotion again.

b. "Sehaj" transfered the message to "Kal" and "Kal" requested that “He didn’t like this

small place. HE should bless me with either the world of Gods or a seperate new

world".

c. "Sehaj" forwarded this to GOD and GOD ordered him to convey HIS message to

"Kal" that he can create his own creation (void plane) there. Now, "Kal" asked

"Sehaj" "How to create the universe? How can I develop it? How can I create 9

universes as ordered by GOD? Give me what I need to create the universe."

d. "Sehaj" conveyed the message to GOD, and GOD told him that: "All that is needed

for creation are within Kurma; taking them from him, Dharam Rai should do his

work. He should go to him and, bowing his head, should ask him for what he needs."

e. "Kal" went to "Kurma" with happiness and Pride and did not salute him. Dharam Rai

walked around Kurma in anger, considering how to get the materials of creation from

him. Kal attacked the heads of Kurma with his nails and the following things came

out in latent form (and not complete or physical form)

i. Breaking his (Kurma) stomach; air came out.

ii. From the three heads of Kurma the dynasty of Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh

came out.

iii. Five elements came out, including the sky with the moon, sun and stars; they

all came out of him.

iv. Matsya, Shesh Nag, Varah, and the pillars to support the earth came out, and

in this way the creation of earth started.

v. When Kal pulled the head of Kurma, sweat came out, when that drop of sweat

spread; the earth started floating on it.

vi. From the stomach of Kurma, his son Kurma was born-on whom Shesh Nag

and Varah were erected. Recognize the head of Shesh Nag as the earth, below

whom the son Kurma resides.

vii. The created son of Kurma is in the egg, while the original Kurma lives

separately in Sat Lok, where he meditates on Sat Purush as before.

viii. "Kurma" said to Sat Purush: "Nirankar came at me with full force and

manifesting his character climbed on my body: He tore my stomach and didn't

obey your orders.”

ix. Then Sat Purush said this to Kurma: "He is your younger brother. This is the

way of the older ones: they should not pay attention to the bad qualities of the

younger, and they should love them." Hearing the words of Sat Purush,

Kurma was pleased. He was the form of nectar, and remained forever in

happiness.

5. Again "Kal" did the devotion for 64 yugas standing on one foot: He thought "Without the

Seed, what do I do with the heavenly world, the mortal world, and the world below? How do

I make body?” He was determined to get life for the worlds.

a. GOD again sent "Sehaj" to "Kal" to ask: "What new thing does he ask for now?" and

asked "Sehaj" to give him everything he needs to create the universe. "Tell him to

create the universe, leaving all deceptions."

b. "Kal" asked "Give me some place where I can dwell(a permanent place to live)".

"Sehaj" told him that "Whatever came out from Kurma's stomach, Sat Purush has

ordered to give to you. You have been given the Kingdom of the three worlds! Now,

without any fear, create the universe."

c. "Kal" asked "Tell Sat Purush I beg Him to give me the Seed for the field of my

creation. I am His servant and do not rely on any one else. Daily I remember Him.".

d. "Sehaj" conveyed the message to GOD. Then Sat Purush in HIS Will created a

female who had eight parts in her body. She had eight hands, and came and stood on

the left side of Sat Purush. Her name was "Adhya/Ashtangi/Bhavani/Great Maya)".

e. "Adhya" was told by GOD: "Daughter, go to Dharam Rai/Kal. Take hold of that

which I give you, and meeting with Dharam Rai, create the universe.” Then Sat

Purush gave her the Seed of the jiva (for 84 lakh joonis), whose name is Sohang/Jiva.

She was given the Root Seed of eighty-four lakhs of births. She went to create the

living universe, after bowing her head to Sat Purush. All this was given to the first

woman, who went to Mansarovar. Sat Purush created 3 powers: Fearlessness,

Consciousness of Himself, and Ulghani.

f. GOD sent "Sehaj" to "Kal" to disclose this information: "The Root Seed has been sent

to you. Now you can create the universe as you like. Go and live in Mansarovar, so

that the universe can be created."

6. Kal Niranjan came and settled in Mansarovar. He looked at “Adhya” and by looking at every

single part of her body he became impatient, and he swallowed the woman.

7. Sat Purush cursing Kal: Sat Purash remembered what had happened to Kurma: how Kal had

also attacked him to control him, and had destroyed his three heads knowing this character of

Kal, Sat Purush cursed him.

[alias 128]

i personaly think thsat the trinity and the stuff about how we fell from heaven is not gurmut, rather abrahamic religons. like, the whole adam and eve story. they say that we fell from the heavens, which is also what you are saying..

for me, i dont believe it. try and convince me maybe??

gurfateh

[valli singh 0]

Above all it is a very interesting interpretation,

I know some Western scholars are studying it

and some books in english have been published on it,

Well, Anurag Sagar represents the teachings of Kabir

in his three previous births in Sat Yug, Treta, Dwapur

(an account of all three incarnations is given in the text)

and so he taught this fall from heaven long before

Abrihamic religions even came into existence,

Sri Guru Granth Sahib says that 'the ones sepreated from countless births--He rejoins'

and also that we have been seperated from God for millions of births,

for me, Anurag Sagar begins to answer the reason 'why' that happened

I have yet to find any other such theory or interpretation that adequetly answers

that question, also if Bhagat Kabir ji wrote it, there must be some genuine validity to it.

Guru's Grace

[harjit nanua 2]

wjkk wjkf,

I think the creation, how it started, (the rebellion, heavens and all) comes from abrahamic religions. In christianity, it is said, an angel by the name of Lucifer rebelled against God and was thrown out of the heavens, together with hos group.

However, in Gurbanee, we know that this question - on how the world is created- will never be known to us humans. This is His secret and finding out is like eating iron (impossible).

ਆਸਾ ॥

aasaa.

Aasaa:

ਕੋਰੀ ਕੋ ਕਾਹ ੂ ਮਰਮੁ ਨ ਜਾਨ? ॥

koree ko kaahoo maram na jaanaaN.

No one knows the secret of God, the Cosmic Weaver.

ਸਭੁ ਜਗੁ ਆਿਨ ਤਨਾਇਓ ਤਾਨ? ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

sabh jag aan tanaa-i-o taanaaN. ||1|| rahaa-o.

He has stretched out the fabric of the whole world. ||1||Pause||

ਜਬ ਤੁਮ ਸੁਿਨ ਲੇ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ? ॥

jab tum sun lay bayd puraanaaN.

When you listen to the Vedas and the Puraanas,

ਤਬ ਹਮ ਇਤਨਕੁ ਪਸਿਰਓ ਤਾਨ? ॥੧॥

tab ham itnak pasri-o taanaaN. ||1||

you shall know that the whole world is only a small piece of His woven fabric. ||1||

ਧਰਿਨ ਅਕਾਸ ਕੀ ਕਰਗਹ ਬਨਾਈ ॥

Dharan akaas kee kargah banaa-ee.

He has made the earth and sky His loom.

ਚੰਦ ੁ ਸੂਰਜੁ ਦਇੁ ਸਾਥ ਚਲਾਈ ॥੨॥

chand sooraj du-ay saath chalaa-ee. ||2||

Upon it, He moves the two bobbins of the sun and the moon. ||2||

ਪਾਈ ਜੋਿਰ ਬਾਤ ਇਕ ਕੀਨੀ ਤਹ ਤ?ਤੀ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨ? ॥

paa-ee jor baat ik keenee tah taaNtee man maanaaN.

Placing my feet together, I have accomplished one thing - my mind is pleased with

that Weaver.

ਜੋਲਾਹੇ ਘਰ ੁ ਅਪਨਾ ਚੀਨ?? ਘਟ ਹੀ ਰਾਮੁ ਪਛਾਨ? ॥੩॥

jolaahay ghar apnaa cheenHaaN ghat hee raam pachhaanaaN. ||3||

I have come to understand my own home, and recognize the Lord within my heart.

||3||

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-----and in Japji Sahib----

ਕਵਣੁ ਸੁ ਵੇਲਾ ਵਖਤੁ ਕਵਣੁ ਕਵਣ ਿਥਿਤ ਕਵਣੁ ਵਾਰ ੁ ॥

kavan so vaylaa vakhat kavan kavan thit kavan vaar.

What was that time, and what was that moment? What was that day, and what was

that date?

ਕਵਿਣ ਿਸ ਰਤੁ ੀ ਮਾਹ ੁ ਕਵਣੁ ਿਜਤੁ ਹੋਆ ਆਕਾਰ ੁ ॥

kavan se rutee maahu kavan jit ho-aa aakaar.

What was that season, and what was that month, when the Universe was created?

ਵੇਲ ਨ ਪਾਈਆ ਪੰਡਤੀ ਿਜ ਹੋਵੈ ਲੇਖੁ ਪੁਰਾਣੁ ॥

vayl na paa-ee-aa pandtee je hovai laykh puraan.

The Pandits, the religious scholars, cannot find that time, even if it is written in the

Puraanas.

ਵਖਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਕਾਦੀਆ ਿਜ ਿਲਖਿਨ ਲੇਖੁ ਕੁਰਾਣੁ ॥

vakhat na paa-i-o kaadee-aa je likhan laykh kuraan.

That time is not known to the Qazis, who study the Koran.

ਿਥਿਤ ਵਾਰ ੁ ਨਾ ਜੋਗੀ ਜਾਣੈ ਰਿੁ ਤ ਮਾਹ ੁ ਨਾ ਕੋਈ ॥

thit vaar naa jogee jaanai rut maahu naa ko-ee.

The day and the date are not known to the Yogis, nor is the month or the season.

ਜਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਿਸਰਠੀ ਕਉ ਸਾਜੇ ਆਪੇ ਜਾਣੈ ਸੋਈ ॥

jaa kartaa sirthee ka-o saajay aapay jaanai so-ee.

The Creator who created this creation-only He Himself knows.

ਿਕਵ ਕਿਰ ਆਖਾ ਿਕਵ ਸਾਲਾਹੀ ਿਕਉ ਵਰਨੀ ਿਕਵ ਜਾਣਾ ॥

kiv kar aakhaa kiv saalaahee ki-o varnee kiv jaanaa.

How can we speak of Him? How can we praise Him? How can we describe Him? How

can we know Him?

Warm Regards

[big5abi 2]

As stated above by valli singh, how can it be abrahamical if it was told many millenia before abraham even existed.

[sitargirl 0]

To bring the discussion back to karma,....If we are to believe souls descended from sach khand due to the above story then the action of the souls was the same....therefore surely the predesined fate of each of us should be the same...but its not so whats the reason for this variable....

[valli singh 0]

Good question,

again if you read Anurag Sagar you will see that even the original souls

in Sachkhand had differences, they were not identical beings though in glory they were the same,

i.e Giani in the story was absorbed in Purush and Kal was not,

the 16 sons all were completely differnt in terms of 'personality' and 'attractions'

if we can speak of such things there.

also the actions of the souls were not identical in their 'original sin'

as they were each attracted to different things in the lower regions

thus creating different desires which would manifest in differing karmic destinies latter,

it can also be said that since this was all Akal's Hukam

he had inscribed the destiny of all incarnations on each soul

leading up to when they would be reunited with Him

and as obviously being differnt destinies,

as in Gurbani it states that in the begining Akal

inscribed the destinies on each soul'd forehead.

so the underlying reason is only known to Sri Akal Purakh,

Gurbani has said that the One desired to become Many

also as I stated earlier, as these souls descended from Sachkhand

they spent time in lower planes like Karam Khand, Saram Khand

and lower planes that Kabir calls Trikuti or Gian Khand

in such places each soul would have had different interactions

in which different subtle karmas and attractions/repulsions were created

which would constitute their earthly karma during their first incarnation,

now when they left Sachkhand the souls were handed over to Kal and Maya

and so it was up to them to entangle them in karmas

[sitargirl 0]

I could ask what led to differences of the souls in these places....but that would be going around in circles because you wiil say God decided it...so instead please explain how karma is fair when original difference was God decided.

[valli singh 0]

Actually I agree with you that karma is not fair,

this is really a conundrum that nobody can answer

based on Anurag Sagar I would say that

there are two forces in creation-Akal and Kal,

the gross karma of lakh chaurasi that we experience on

this earth is the contrivance of Kal,

the original seperation of souls from Akal

was Hukam or God's order, it is interesting to

note that there were billions of souls who did not

leave Akal Purakh in the begining and thus have been in Sachkhand since then,

while we are in the other unluckier group,

the mercy that descends from Akal to bring souls back to Sachkhand

comes through the grace of Sachkhand Vasis like Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji

or Kabir Sahib who descend to earth and destroy the viscious karmas of their disciples

and thus pay their debt to Kal, because Kal asked for the lower creation

and the souls which he got from Akal due to his tapasaya of 60 and 70 yugas.

[Jap Har Har 0]

The ways of the Lord cannot be understood by us.

We are far too under developed. That avastha belongs to the Brahmgyanis, the true lovers of God, who have proved themselves to HIM.

And according to the Hukam some (v.v.v.v.few) ways of the Lord are taught to us through Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji or by his Saints/Brahmgyanis.....to whomsoever they are pleased with, while most of it are kept secret according to the Hukam...or are only meant for souls of higher enlightenment or who are on the path of enlightenment.

However, Valli Singh you have made some very interesting points. Please provide a link to the translation of Bhagat Kabir ji's writings that you have mentioned.

I was not aware of any other Bhagat Kabir ji's writings other than the Shaloks in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which I totally love.

Also, please do elaborate on Kal and Akal as per your understanding.

Thank you for your time Waheguru ji.

[valli singh 0]

Veerji,

I am not aware of any translations here, but earlier in this thread

I posted a summary of some of the teachings found therein,

basically Kal was one of the first created beings by Akal Purukh,

Kal desired to be a God like Waheguru and rule over his own creation

so he did bhagti for 70 yugs,

Akal Purukh then gave him the power to create

some vast heavens and regions below SachKhand,

Kal again meditated for 60 yugs and took billions of souls

from Akal Purukh by enticing them with Maya into the lower creation

including this earth where he bound them by karams in lakh chaurasi

so that he could rule over the three worlds.

[fresh singh 0]

However, Valli Singh you have made some very interesting points. Please provide a link to the translation of Bhagat Kabir ji's writings that you have mentioned.

I am not Valli singh lol :D but the link is http://www.geocities.com/anulbird/anuragindex.html

[Jap Har Har 0]

Valli veer, I have read your short summary on Bhagat Kabir's writings, however I wanted to read morrrrrrrre , thats why I asked you for the direct link to the translation/original version.

Fresh Singh ji, checking your link out now, thank joo :D

[fresh singh 0]

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