Another Act Of Beadbi At Durbar Shaib

[Kaljug Singh]

Fateh!

To those who question the actions of the Gursikh who prevented beadbi of Darbar Sahib from happening: when else are you going to draw your kirpan if it is not to defend the holiest shrine of Sikhi?

Yes, it would certainly have been better from a PR perspective if the drunk had beaten with the Sangat's juttiya instead - especially given that this fool had been told not to enter Darbar Sahib in his condition once before being stopped trying to enter from anothed door (thus showing that he was thinking rationally and not drunk out of his mind) - but no Sikh should be questioning the sincerity and the pyaar of the one who stopped this drunk from disrespecting the sanctity of Harimandir Sahib.

This is the third time in a year that we are reading of some moorakh trying to disrespect Sikhi in its holiest of holies. If this action had been taken the first time, perhaps we would not be reading about this attempt now. Let us hope that this event inspires fear in those who previously thought that they could freely disrespect Sikhi in its holiest place without fear of reprisal.

And to those who are concerned that this event will result in Sikhs being portrayed as fundamentalist extremists and terrorists, get this through your heads: the media already believes that this is the case; there will be no journalist who will be allowed to congratulate Sikhs for demonstrating this respect for their Holiest Temple.

You can bet your bottom dollar that, had this occurred in the Vatican, the guy who stopped the drunk from entering a church or cathedral would have been hailed as a hero in the press and the Pope would have declared him a Saint within a week.

Regards,

K.

[buddasingh]

Vaaaooo singho…what “bravery”!! Slapping or stabbing a “drunken migrant labourer”....taliban police style.

This shows how uneducated, weak, insecure and cowardly we are.

Detaining him, punishing him humanely, and/or forcing him to treatment would show how secure and brave we are.

Punjabi/indian machismo culture at it again, masquerading as sikhi.

There is a time and place for swords and taking off heads, and giving ones head. Calmly knowing when and where, is a requirement of bravery.

[guptveer1469]

No one has the right to question a Sikh who tried to prevent the beadbi of the holiest of the holy shrines, Sri Darbar Sahib.

The act you guys are referring to had already happened. They had pushed him away first time. When he came back a second time, he was severly punished AS HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN. When these Nihangs in Hazoor Sahib beat up innocent people questioning their rituals you guys say its all right, now a Sikh of the Guru draw his Sri Sahib to defend our holy Gurdwara, and everyone, instead of praising him, is badmouthing him.

Now see why the Sri Sahib was the right action taken at the right time. All these incidents with beadbi, first that Hindu that threw Jal on Guru Granth Sahib then Advani taking out his Kirpan, now this... If this had continued like this, nobody would have fear of Singhs anymore and people would do more and more beadbi. Now they know the result of doing beadbi of the Guru's house.

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[hawk13]

Real story has been concaeled by media the name of migrant labourer is ganga ram on stopped by lone sevadar that guy bashed up sevadar harban singh badly and pulled his beard on seeing it a singh near by stabbed ganga ram in stomach with a spear .It was adefensive action we must praise the singh who saved the sevadar and punished the tormentor, In Punjab visit any histroic gurwara u will find the packets of guthka be it Anadpur shaiab in the amb shaib in pangat once bidis were discovered one can imagine the reaction of hindus if someone goes their place with beef or what will muslims do if pork is found on their religious place.

[guptveer1469]

Users: Akaal Purakh Ki Fauj, BuddhaSingh, confusingh, etc

SEE HE BEAT UP A SEVADAR... KNOW THE WHOLE STORY FIRST BEFORE COMMENTING OR CRITISING A FELLOW SIKH.

Akaal Purakh Ki Fauj, wasn't it you that started the topic with problem and solution... I would like to add a problem: 'How can we stop from critising our fellow Singhs that do something for the Panth, while we are sitting in the west and doing nothing.'.

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[buddasingh]

Bro, this is not about winning internet arguments, but learning from varied opinions and using logical reasoning to do that.

In that regard, of concern is not merely what one Sikh reportedly did in Punjab, but what we here as a collective and in the majority THINK about even a hypothetical or mistated fact to accept the slapping or stabbing of a drunk migrant labourer. Would that constitute humane punishment on the original facts given?

In 2009 do we need to spell out that alcoholism or drug addiction is a disease, for guruji’s Sikhs who should be amongst the most intelligent and compassionate citizens in this world?

What kind of upbringing or mentality is it that wipes out the awesome compassion in the kirpan to result in chest beating “should kick the s*** out of the drunken migrant labourer” rants? Such thinking is of concern even on hypothetical or misstated facts. There is a cowardly bravado problem within male Punjabi culture that masquerades as sikh courage.

Show me guruji’s sikh who is the most compassionate and s/he will also be the most fearless. That is the person who has offered his/her head and the person who I will commend when s/he draws blood or kills.

[guptveer1469]

Do not change the topic. What the Sikh did was right.

Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale said: "'When is a Sikh wrong? It is when he poses a question. When is a Sikh's sin washed away? It is when he responds. A Sikh will never be the first to attack, to ask the question. Asking the question means being the first to attack. That is what we call asking a question. Later, seeking justice is called the answer. If we are sons of Sikhs, we shall never be the first to attack in the form of a question. Also, if we are sons of Sikhs, we shall never hesitate in responding. If we hesitate then we are artificial Sikhs, spoilt Sikhs, not real Sikhs. If we attack first then too we are spoilt Sikhs."

I don't think anyone of us has even did 22 hours Paath one day in their life, let alone a few years. So I think we rather believe Sant Ji's words than critising the Singh.

Why has the Kirpan been given to us by Sache Patshah, Guru Gobind Singh? Showoff? No, TO USE IT. He did it for the right purposes and thats it.

The victim is a migrant labourer, so what? Everyones equal, even if it was a "Sikh" drinking and entering, he should have been given the same treatment.

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[buddasingh]

The topic was not changed. A concern about our general views here was expressed. I think you mean to say that I should specifically address the new facts as stated by hawk. OK, lets do that too. Lets assume the most recent version of the story as provided by hawk13 is the case.

Those new facts alone still are not sufficient to justify spearing the drunken man.

Sikhs are suppose to be masters of the warrior spirit. This does not equate to displays of testosterone (i am not saying that is necc. the case of the sevadar, but it is within our quick observations here), which is a common aspect of Punjabi/Indian culture.

As saint soldiers one would think we should have a rather thorough understanding of justice and self defence. What is self defence? When does self defence become assault upon another? What is proportional force? Knowing those things is a required part of “fighting with all your might” as a Sikh.

We can not know the precise circumstances in the example. However to encourage spearing the person as some kind of Sikh reaction even on the second facts is premature and misleading for youth here who may be learning. Unfortunately it is a engrained Punjabi trait to puff our chests and push our way ahead, completely contrary to being a Sikh warrior.

I have had my share of physical altercations in self defence as a last or latter resort. If it really was as simple as you suggest, I would have speared or stabbed and likely killed quite a few people by now.