2.5 Million Chaupai Sahibs By November 2009

[harmandeal]

i dont agree with numbers game.gurbani is not a black magic spell. do bani we will get justice thats a joke not gurmat

[AK-47]

Why do you read gurbani?

To praise Vaheguru and fall in love with him

To do ardas

To get strength to do seva

To get strength to do seva to get justice ... do you see where this is going.

Dont get confused by the numbers thing, thats just a tool to enable the mind to read more gurbani.

With the strength of gurbani and ardas as can achieve anything.

We use numbers all the time to help us in life. Eg work, studies etc. But for some reason only time people dont like numbers is when they do gurbani. Perhaps because if we did, we'd realise how little we actually did compared to all the other things we do.

Just pray brother for strength and seva and all is in his hands!

[sikhlionz]

Guru Pyare have begun an excellent endeavour. daas has seen more people brought together with single-minded devotion by this project than in quite a while. hope this is just the beginning..

Lets please keep bumping this topic with how many Chaupai Sahibs have been completed so far & submit yours to http://chaupaisahib.org/

1,350,950

[lodi_my_dodi]

Wow thers alot of negativity!

Firstly when Guru Gobind Singh Ji had finished uchaarna(ing) chaupai sahib bani, he recited 2.5lakh paath. Most of allllll the sants did/do recite bani in great numbers, the more the better.

If its important enough for them to recite why should we have a problem?

IF U DONT LIKE IT, DONT DO IT! SIMPLE

And to all the Sangat reading this please ignore the negativity of these i.d.i.o.t.s!

[harmandeal]

Why do you read gurbani?

To praise Vaheguru and fall in love with him

To do ardas

To get strength to do seva

To get strength to do seva to get justice ... do you see where this is going.

Dont get confused by the numbers thing, thats just a tool to enable the mind to read more gurbani.

With the strength of gurbani and ardas as can achieve anything.

We use numbers all the time to help us in life. Eg work, studies etc. But for some reason only time people dont like numbers is when they do gurbani. Perhaps because if we did, we'd realise how little we actually did compared to all the other things we do.

Just pray brother for strength and seva and all is in his hands!

no you are losing it gurbani is not black magic instead learing wat it means you are telling people to recite bani as mantar 2.5 million mirical will happen.sorry jesus is not ever coming back and dead will stay dead

[lodi_my_dodi]

^^^^ Bruv u seem to be loosing the plot no wonder why the panth is in the state its in people dnt have the patience to read bani and receive its phull. At the end of the day Bani does do miracles, you just need to open ur eyes.

Your making it out as if black magic compares to Bani i mean sorry the living need to wake up!

Why do we forget that there is strength in numbers, how do u know that the hundreth paath you do; is done with such pyaar and shardaa da Maharaj decides to give you parthak darshan or answer your ardaas? If we shy away from putting in some time and effort in to Baani we giving up on ourselves growing spiritually.

[1kAuR1]

^^^^Totally agree, Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale used to do 120 Japji Sahib paaths a day, anyone got the courage to say that his Bhagati was worthless or didnt prove any miracles. Or Baba Deep Singh ji who had an equally matching Bhagati, where their sis fell on the parkarma 300 years ago military tanks couldnt pass 25 years ago!

Truth is people are too lazy to do Baani!

To all Sangat still doing the paaths lets keep it up and ignore the manmukhs who TRY to stop you!

[GuptSinghani]

I though the paath of sikhi was to remember Waheguru Maharaj 24/7, so how can doing alot of Baani be a bad thing, or compare to black magic (we dont live in cuckoo land, do we?). There are tons of sant mahapursh that spent so much of their time doing Bhagti to the point were each of their roam was reciting Baani. We should aspire to be like them, so naturally we do actually need to pull our fingers out and read Grbani.

And if you not going to join in with the sewa keep ur snidey lil comments to yourselves!

Agree with the two above thers a helluve lot of lazy ppl, Maharaj Kirpa kare!

[equal4sikh]

Lollllllll... Whats going to be next 5.5 million? or maybe after that you can go to 10 million?

Nobody has posted anything because it's silly, no matter how much path you do, everybody has their own account towards Waheguru.

What this really means is, you haven't done the first 1 million correct and now your increasing the number because u believe it would make some what difference?

How about having a target of 2.5 million Amritdhari's by Nov 2009, maybe increasing the panth would be very beneficial.

Not saying path wouldn't, but with that it's more about quality not quantity!

play YOUR part and make atleast 5 people amritdhari for OUR panth! J

With Guru ji's kirpa, the sangat will keep reading Chaupai Sahib's for the panths chardikala, and yeh whats wrong with 5 million, 10 million etc, its just targets to motivate people to read mroe gurbani. Theres nothing wrong in that at all. You say people think its silly ... silly to do what exactly? Read gurbani and doing ardas is silly?

And what do you mean 'no matter how much path you do, everybody has their own account towards Waheguru'? Didint understand at all what your getting at there! Of course reading more gurbani matters!

lol how do you do 1 million chaupai sahibs incorrectly? I think your one of these people that imagines Vaheguru to things with bolts of lightening and crack the earth open and swallow people! Sikhs reading more gurbani and dedicating time daily for the betterment of the panth is kirpa in itself. The additional paath target came from sangat requesting that they wanted a further target as it helped them read more and more gurbani and they enjoyed the comradeship it created amongst the sangat all working for the same cause - ie the panth.

In your second post it seems you have realised that gurbani will help the post, but now your talking about 'making' amrithdharis'. Well good luck, as basic beggars at the door of guru ji, all we can do is do benti's and ardas and do whatever parchar we can to awaken the love for the panth. If your on a level where you can 'make' millions on amritdharis then please go ahead.

Please do your part for the panth ... rather then just talk for the panth

Sevadars have apologised for the massive delay in updating and informing the sangat, they got sidetracked in other projects, so please accept their apologies and please carry on praying and building love for the panth.

At the same time they are asking that people volunteer new ideas (realistic ones i.e. not making 2.5 million amrithdharis) that we as a panth can work towards. We have sangat from 35 countries taking part. What can we collectively do to make a difference. Please share your ideas!

Think about what you’re saying, and repeat it to yourself! “knowledge only grows in the seeker not the person that argues” if you wouldn’t even be the slightest liberal about the topic, then really it’s worthless replying. Drifting the whole topic to something we can’t apprehend.

I never said reading path is bad, but the question is what are you expecting after you 2.5 million path? Does this get you mukti? The truth is reading bani with the truth in our hearts is more important?

The fact that this is a numbers game or not is truly ridiculous, i mean OFCOURSE it’s a numbers game! If it wasn’t why would you keep increasing the target?

“do your part and whateva you been saying”! what people like you are doing is acting like your some sort of special power because you’ve contributed to the 2.5 million? Loll i mean can you read my mind?...lollll look Sikhism was more about a simple way of life, you are not suppose to believe magicall powers and harry potter wizardry..loll

What i meant by everybody has their own account towards waheguroo is that no matter how much path you do, you dont change the bagti of any other individual? It’s like what good is praying for someone, it doesn’t work like that everybody has their own account! They themselves have to pray

What your effectively saying is when we reach 2.5 million path, we will satisfy guru ji for the whole panth??

the reason why i had mentioned that “ you did 1 million path incorrectly” is because you reached your target and it seems that your didn’t get whatever miracle( black magic) you wanted, so you decided to increase the target because obviously you think god wants numbers?

You act like your some super powered source, i think what you really should do is ask what does guru ji actually wants?

Btw this is a question not of this specific debate, how do you know that Sikhs actually get a million paths done? I mean sry i unware of the system.

[AK-47]

Think about what you’re saying, and repeat it to yourself! “knowledge only grows in the seeker not the person that argues” if you wouldn’t even be the slightest liberal about the topic, then really it’s worthless replying. Drifting the whole topic to something we can’t apprehend.

I never said reading path is bad, but the question is what are you expecting after you 2.5 million path? Does this get you mukti? The truth is reading bani with the truth in our hearts is more important?

The fact that this is a numbers game or not is truly ridiculous, i mean OFCOURSE it’s a numbers game! If it wasn’t why would you keep increasing the target?

“do your part and whateva you been saying”! what people like you are doing is acting like your some sort of special power because you’ve contributed to the 2.5 million? Loll i mean can you read my mind?...lollll look Sikhism was more about a simple way of life, you are not suppose to believe magicall powers and harry potter wizardry..loll

What i meant by everybody has their own account towards waheguroo is that no matter how much path you do, you dont change the bagti of any other individual? It’s like what good is praying for someone, it doesn’t work like that everybody has their own account! They themselves have to pray

What your effectively saying is when we reach 2.5 million path, we will satisfy guru ji for the whole panth??

the reason why i had mentioned that “ you did 1 million path incorrectly” is because you reached your target and it seems that your didn’t get whatever miracle( black magic) you wanted, so you decided to increase the target because obviously you think god wants numbers?

You act like your some super powered source, i think what you really should do is ask what does guru ji actually wants?

Btw this is a question not of this specific debate, how do you know that Sikhs actually get a million paths done? I mean sry i unware of the system.

Sighs ...

I never said reading path is bad, but the question is what are you expecting after you 2.5 million path? Does this get you mukti? The truth is reading bani with the truth in our hearts is more important? [/font]

The fact that this is a numbers game or not is truly ridiculous, i mean OFCOURSE it’s a numbers game! If it wasn’t why would you keep increasing the target?

Please tell me where anyone anywhere has ever stated that by doing these paaths will get you mukhi? Please show me anywhere on the website or anywhere else, where anyone has said that anything is PROMISED after these paaths. You will find that nothing is promised and nothing is guaranteed. Reason being, we are BEGGING at Guru Jis feet. We are doing ardas after ardas after ardas. It is up to him how and when he decided to do kirpa. As his children all we can do is beg.

If people are reading gurbani and doing ardas for justice, and chardikala, how is that not reading gurbani with truth in their hearts? How is that any less important then anything else?

You keep talking about numbers but you havent grasped the concept. Let me break this down for you. When a person starts reading gurbani or doing simran, he may first try and do 5 mins of simran. Then after a while he increases to 10 mins, then to 20 etc. When a person starts doing nitnem, he may start with japji sahib only, then might do rehras sahib as well.. slowly building upto 7 bania. Then he starts reading more, adding more simran, more mool mantar, starts doing sehaj paath etc. Slowly but surely the person increases the AMOUNT of nitnem/simran they do. This is how most sikhs imcrease their nitnem and jeevan. They set themselves targets, i will complete 25 angs of sehaj path today. I will do an extra 10 japji sahibs today. How is this any different from us saying, ok lets all collectively read more chaupai sahibs?

If sangat from across the world is reading more gurbani how does that hurt you? Be it through any excuse, the fact is more gurbani is being read. The fact is that people who previoulsy never did any nitnem have started doing it now as a result of guru sahibs kirpa. Sangat have been spending an extra 15 mins, and hour, 2 hours if not more a day sitting down and focusing their minds on vaheguru and reading gurbani. Most human beings need some sort of motivation to get them going. We need this in almost every aspect of our lives. Nitnem and jeevan included. In this thread people have already posted examples of gurmukhs doing many many paath every day.

The target was increased as i prev said on the request of the sangat. The singhs received emails saying that the sangat involved loved the fact that they would regulalrly sit together and do this paath. They said without some sort of target they felt they would get lazy again and needed this to keep them motivated to keep on doing this additional paath. Again what is wrong with increasing the bani we read?

“do your part and whateva you been saying”! what people like you are doing is acting like your some sort of special power because you’ve contributed to the 2.5 million? Loll i mean can you read my mind?...lollll look Sikhism was more about a simple way of life, you are not suppose to believe magicall powers and harry potter wizardry..loll

If i cannot read your mind (and i dont believe i have tried!) what makes you think you can read mine/peoples like me! If sangat thought they were people with special powers, why would they be doing bentia to guru sahibs charan? Why not use their 'powers' directly? Bhai sahib a dose of nimrata goes a long way as does having faith and parosa in guru sahib. Nobody has talked about magic etc, only yourself.

Heres another benefit of sangat reading more gurbani for the panth (all of which has been mentioned on the site and other threads). If today we spend just 5 mins out of love for the guru and the panth reading gurabni, then tomorrow out of the same love for the guru and the panth we will spend 10 mins doing seva, slowly with kirpa this pyar increases and we become activitis for the panth. Bottom line is if we cared for the panth, we would do something for it everyday (as we do when we care for our families, children etc). The one thing we can all do, regardless of where we live, of what our financial position is, what our spiritual position is .. is to do ardas and read gurbani. By spending time thinking about the panth today we may do some more types of seva tomorrow. The strength for that seva will also come from gurbani. So it works from all angles.

What i meant by everybody has their own account towards waheguroo is that no matter how much path you do, you dont change the bagti of any other individual? It’s like what good is praying for someone, it doesn’t work like that everybody has their own account! They themselves have to pray

What your effectively saying is when we reach 2.5 million path, we will satisfy guru ji for the whole panth??

If you dont think the power of gurbani and ardas can change a persons karam, then thats a different topic and i think its been disucussed before on the forum somewhere. However, I am aware that even Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji would specifically do an additioanl chaupai sahib for the chardikala of the panth everyday. And bhai sahib, we are praying that maharajh do kirpa on others, that he give us justice and that he give the panth chardikala. If you dont think you yourself fit into either of those, then again thats your issue.

And no once again nobody has said that. As explained above, the number thing is just a tool to read more gurbani. It seems you cannot look beyond this most minor of things. To be honest the only reason the additonal number was there was result of sangats requests, they said they wanted this so they could pukkah the additional nitnem they were doing.

the reason why i had mentioned that “ you did 1 million path incorrectly” is because you reached your target and it seems that your didn’t get whatever miracle( black magic) you wanted, so you decided to increase the target because obviously you think god wants numbers?

You act like your some super powered source, i think what you really should do is ask what does guru ji actually wants?

Once again please read the above. Your the only one again mentioning magic etc. The sangat believe in doing ardas and having sharda in maharajh. The singhs actually wanted to start other seva, but the sangat requested more. With Vaheguru ji's beant beant kirpa, in the UK at least 10-15 programmes were done since january to june. Hundreds of people were given seva of reading gurbani, thousands learnt about 1984 and our history, many youngsters learnt the bani so that they could take part etc. All down to vaheguru's kirpa. Some people cant handle anything thats outside their own understanding, and thats fine. The singhs have been sworn at, called bharamins, pakahandis, told that they will be going to hell etc its all good!

All i know is that guru ji wants to us to live according to his orders, ie read gurbani, follow maryada, do seva etc etc. If that causes you to laugh at us then once again its fine. Singh above has said that maharajh himself did so many chaupai sahibs after finishing writing the bani. Sant jarnail singh ji had many many singhs do 125,000 paaths of japji sahib and of other paaths as well before the 1984 attack. I wont say that your saying this was black magic as well since these were also counted. But thats for yourself to decide.

Anyway i apologise if you wish to drag this out further, these points have all been raised in prev threads so please read them if you wish. If you dont want to take part then its fine, dont.

To rest of sangat, please come forward with ideas for more seva, singhs have one or 2 things they should be rolling out soon, but need your new ideas on how we can collectively do something. Remember we need ideas that sikhs from around the world can do, maybe some sort of organised collective seva. Please share ideas.

Many thanks, and apologies for any mistakes. Sangat (not harry potter) holds the power (not black magic) to forgive, so please do forgive us.

oh and sorry forgot to add, if you check the website audio, you will see different kathas on chaupai sahib. Also at many prog's the katha of the bani was done in both english and in punjabi. So hanji people are learning what the bani says as well as reading it.

Maharajh does so much kirpa! :D