Punjab Pani

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

if we have extra great, but india is stealing punjabs water

if this contunies, punjab will be a dessert

our beautiful punjab

gone...

that wud be sad

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Kara]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

if we have extra great, but india is stealing punjabs water

if this contunies, punjab will be a dessert

our beautiful punjab

gone...

that wud be sad

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

That is not true at all. The five rivers form a delta in punjab, and the water is ionic. Much of it needs to go through expensive refinement to be cleaned because it is downstream. Irrigation wells all over punjab come from the aquifers underneath the ground. An aquifer is an underground channel of fresh water. It is filtered because unlike rivers it flows through porous media and thus retains trace amounts of toxicants. This is what punjabi farmers use to keep their land fertile. It is not our water to claim. Much of the water is already going through refinement upstream around punjab, and compensation is already coming to the state through the inter-state water share plans already in progress.

Sure transit fees etc suck when it comes to the politics behind disparity of resources. But when you have one state with all the resources and others like rajasthan with so few, isn't it already a trademark of a state destined to become Khalistan to do seva with the st

ates around it? We cannot claim water and let others less fortunate not have access. Because indirectly you restrict the development of a standard of living all over the subcontinent.

Water is water, and by Waheguru's will, these rivers will never dry. And actually, I could lead you through the proof that these rivers are actually quite young, and they have yet to begin meandering from a geological perspective. The Himalayas are the youngest mountain range in the world, thus the geostratic history of the area of northwestern india (particularly) punjab is quite an untouched resource. You'd be amazed, that if you actually flipped punjab upside down you'd find it not to be the land of 5 rivers but more than 5000.

A group of us from CEDA went to the North Western Region of Punjab and journeyed through some small towns and cities (Harshiarpur, Mogha, and even Ludhiana and Jalandar) a few years ago. Many of us were either from a geology or petrophysical engineering background. Our professor was born in Punjab and was adamant about bringing us here as he did a Doctorate on Petrolithic Elasticity and Seismic modeling of water aquifers. Basically, that means he knew how to tell if there was water underground.

Although the five great rivers have incredible deltas and their convergence in this state is nothing short of a geologic and aesthethic miracle of Waheguru, there is so much more water within this fruitful land.

As a comparison, the North Western portion of India sees more moisture and percipitation than any other locale in India, even in the Monsoon regions to the south. Much of these torential rains are caused by coastal evaporation and tropical storms, which occur for brief periods during the year. In Punjab the water content in the air is so saturated that it is one of the most ideal places in the world to farm.

By the way, the units of water shares taken from the Punjab rivers are not even close to one percent of the capacity of the rivers themselves.

If you need more information, send me an email and I can send you the thesis my professor wrote on the aquifers.

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Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

someone posted an article about punjab in like 20 years becoming a desert due to the water being take out

can someone please post that

and its not 5 rivers, i forgot how man are left thanks to india some were given to pakistan

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Kara]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

someone posted an article about punjab in like 20 years becoming a desert due to the water being take out

can someone please post that

and its not 5 rivers, i forgot how man are left thanks to india some were given to pakistan

bhula chuka maf

If that is the case, then implementing canals etc. is actually a preventative measure not something that will aggravate or accelarate the decrease of water in the area.

Besides a river doesn't dry up from water extraction typically. They dry up from environmental effects like rechanneling and extreme cases of evaporation.

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Guest rsingh]

i havent read all the above, but, i posted this before. ive also got audio of a singh who went to uni and did research of the state of panjab water.

due to dams and Panjab being split and broken into little piece. the people of Panjab are becoming reliant on wells and ground water.

ground water is a reserve for Panjab. as the river dry up and the reserves run dry the country will lose its water. and become somalia. we ould see mass migration as the fertail bread basket called india becomes the saharah desert.

china is a example which is going through it now. they are having to plant trees in the desert as the soil turns to sand and sad storms are caused.

this is expected to happen to Panjab in 20 years

if you would like i have the audio of the interview.

[Kara]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Definately, please post a link. I am interested to hear the reasoning behind these arguments.

A dam is not the same as a well built canal. And I seriously doubt that India would risk its economic dependance on Punjab's water and other resources just to make the rest of the country and its own economic position unpredictable.

China made great miscalculations with the dams they placed throughout Manchuria, they basically did not factor in a well thought out project because their turbines ended up being 15-25% less efficient than expected. What do you expect? They use coal and low maintenance fluids in their reciprocating turbine models (which are 30 years old). They had huge backout problems and where there was supposed to be water, there was none, and on the other side the river flooded. Millions of people have been moved as a result.

In india no such plans are anticipated. The SYL Canal is a system of channeling waters to prevent erosion and to moniter the effect of production on the land. The underwater channels in the area supercedent to the main bodies of waters are actually flowing with fluvial sediment and therefore are independant sources of water. Given the effects of 'transient global warming effects', the northern indian sector stands to see an increase in water and percipitation.

The biggest threat to Punjab right now on a resource based analysis isn't the water so much as it is the quality of water. And that isn't so much an issue plaguing the state of Punjab as it is something that effects the entire world.

Somalia is not water bereft, which is a start

ling thing to say. Somalia on the contrary is actually well endowed with water resources, but no one knows or has the means to drill deep enough wells as well as hydraulically lift the water from these wells. Its poor GDP and wartorn economy cannot afford to drill water wells because they don't have a sustainable method of producing it. Many of the wells in somalia were drilled up to 75 years ago. The wells never dried up, but they sloughed and degraded over time, and now water can't be drawn for other reasons.

It is too bad that rich oil companies cannot dedicate their sources to drilling for water as opposed to oil and gas. I mean inventory is important to a company, but if people can't drink water, even if it is proven to be there, is a great injustice.

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Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Deep Singh]

http://news.waheguroo.com/633Q6-12661-7479...3-13139-35.html

Punjab not a water surplus state, say experts

An excerpt from:

Amarjit Thind, Tribune India

Friday, 16th July 2004

SYL will render 9 million hectares barren in Malwa

The Vice-Chancellor of PAU, Mr Kirpal Singh Aulakh, shows maps in Ludhiana on Friday of the areas where the groundwater level has dipped to alarming levels. 

Ludhiana - Contrary to propaganda about Punjab being a water surplus state, experts are of the view that there is a deficit of 10 MAF of water in the state which is being met through over exploitation of ground water.

This was the consensus of experts - Dr S. K. Sondhi of the Department of Soil and Water Engineering and Dr Gurdev Singh Hera of the Department of Soil - who were invited by PAU VC Kirpal Singh Aulakh to discuss the ground realities in the state in the backdrop of the SYL canal imbroglio.

The demand of water in Punjab for irrigation and other needs is 35.60 MAF, but at present only 12.40 MAF of surface (canal) water in addition to 13. 20 MAF of ground water is available, which means a deficit of 10 MAF. The diversion of 3.5 MAF to Haryana will affect the availability of water at the Ropar headworks.

Sirhind and Bist Doab are the two main canals which originate from Ropar headworks. The former supplies water to the Malwa regi

on while the latter meets the irrigation needs of the Doaba region.

The experts said at present more than 80 per cent of the blocks in the state were grey - meaning where the groundwater was not being recharged at the rate it was being drawn. The alarming drop continues with Central Punjab being the worst affected area with the water table dipping by 76 per cent in 2002 as compared to only 3 per cent in 1973. In some areas, the water table had fallen to 26 meters at an average of over 0. 53 m per year in the past six years, they added.

The worst affected areas are the districts of Patiala, Sangrur, Ludhiana, Jalandhar, Moga, Bathinda and Mansa. In Sangrur the water table has already gone below the 15 meter mark in 58 per cent of the district while it is 53 per cent in Patiala, 40 per cent in Jalandhar and 88 per cent in Moga, they pointed out.

Mr Aulakh said under such trying circumstances, the diversion of 3.5 MAF to Haryana would not only accelerate the water table fall but also render 9 million hectares of land in the Malwa belt barren. The shortage will also result in poor soil health due to excessive use of brackish and saline ground water for irrigation. It would also sound the death knell for orchardists and cotton growers of this belt.

The VC said the implications for farmers would be ominous as there was not enough energy to run the 10 lakh tubewells in the state. More than 2 lakh farmers had replaced their centrifugal pumps with submersible ones, the latter being a costly proposition and out of the reach of small and marginal farmers. The farmers would have to bear an additional cost of more than Rs 2,000 crore in installing submersible pumps in case this step was effected, he added.

The abundance of water in Punjab was one of the pivotal reasons behind the success of the Green Revolution in the country. The country would not attained the self sustaining status in foodgrains in case there was not water. All the advancements in farming sector too would have come to nau

ght because of the same reason.

Commenting on the decision of the state Assembly to abrogate all previous accords, he said it was the need of the hour and the far sighted and historic decision by Chief Minister Amarinder Singh was in consonace with the actual ground realities in the state. He has saved the grainery of India from certain ruin. That was the least anyone could have done as a mark of gratitude to Punjab, he asserted.

Mr Aulakh also rubbished the propaganda that excess water was flowing to Pakistan. He said only flood water was allowed to flow to Pakistan since the waters of the Beas and the Sutlej were harnessed at the Harike barrage and later on at Ferozepore for irrigation purposes.

SO NOW THE EXPERTS HAVE SPOKEN!

[Karen Kaur]

WJKK WJKF!!

hmm kara seems like an agent man haha no offence :wub: seems smart but...

WJKK WJKF!

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

ok man, my family farms in Punjab and the tubiles or the pipes used to get water from underground are having to be dug deeper and deeper, there is a serious water shortage in Punjab. And Punjab only has two rivers, Beas, and Satluj, the Ravi, jhelum, and chenab are in Pakistan. So there is not an unlimited supply of water as Kara is suggesting.

Punjab should not get the least amount of water from these rivers as is the case. In America the deseert states such as Arizona New Mexico have to get permission from the neighboring states to use their river waters. It is international law regarding river waters.

[Guest rsingh]

Edited, didnt realise the forum was being moderated and posted twice!