PUBLIC CONVERSIONS TO ISLAM

[sanj singh]

PUBLIC CONVERSIONS TO ISLAM – SUNDAY 25th JULY

On the 25th July is the Annual Rally for Islam in

Trafalgar Square – Sikhs and Hindus(and other

non-muslims) urgently needed

In 1995 Sikh girls publicly converted and made fun of

the Sikh Gurus with the Muslim audience cheering and

laughing; these types of activities have continued. In

2002 arrests were made as the speakers made

pro-terrorism comments, relating to Bin Laden and

Al-Queida. For Rally for Islam 2004 Al-Muhajiroun have

decided to focus their attention on converting Hindus

and Sikhs to Islam. We are the “Kufars” or

disbelievers, who will burn in hellfire if we do not

convert. The situation is already notorious as we know

many Muslims will date and go out with Sikh/Hindu

girls in university, as the exposed H.U.T. plans have

shown. The Real Khilafah Movement letter says “We need

to send out our boys to bring the Sikh girls into the

umma or community of Islam”.

The Al-Muhajiroun website has stated on their website

for this event “The British public will once again

witness many non-Muslims: previously Jews, Christians,

Hindus & Sikhs (idol worshippers), Atheists,

Socialists etc giving up their false beliefs and

ideologies in order to embrace the divine way of life

which Islam offers to them openly and publicly.”

They also say “As for the Sikhs, acknowledge, that as

a man-made system your belief is really just a hotpot

of different religions and opinions “jumbled

together”.”

There will be a large Jatha of Singhs and Singhnees

protesting at this event, peacefully protesting. It is

absolutely vital that you attend becaus

e currently

extremist Muslims believe that Sikhs are easy to

convert, weak in faith and frightened of them. We will

show them that Sikhs are still lions and will stand up

for their faith.

Any Sikh youth who wears a kara on their arm, yet does

not raise their arm in protest at this event by

cowering at home, should not wear a kara at all. Any

Singh or Singhnee youth who wears a dastar on their

head, should remove it if their head cannot be counted

at this event. All young, fit Singhs should be present

if they think they are children of the Guru. We must

remember the sacrifices of Guru Arjun Dev Ji for Sikhi

against the Muslims, Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji protecting

faith from the Muslims, Bhai Fauja Singh Ji protecting

Guru Ji and the countless other Shaheeds.

Please make arrangements to get to this event, Sunday

25th July, at Trafalgar Square in Central London. We

will be meeting outside the park and the Jatha will

then enter to distribute literature and make their

presence known. More specific details will be

circulated nearer the time.

To not make our presence known at this event, turns

the Khalsa lions into mice and spits on the memory of

past Shaheeds.

A muslim group in UK called 'Al-Muhajiroun' has given

the following press release:

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_inter...&list=/home.ppa

An Invitation To Sikhs And Hindus To Embrace The Truth

Jul 13, 2004

Press Release: Al-Muhajiroun, UK

Hundreds of Muslims from across the UK are set to

converge in London’s Trafalgar Square on the 25th of

July for the Annual Rally for Islam. This year will be

the 9th anniversary of the rally and promises to be

the best yet.

The British public will once again witness many

non-Muslims: previously Jews, C

hristians, Hindus &

Sikhs (idol worshippers), Atheists, Socialists etc

giving up their false beliefs and ideologies in order

to embrace the divine way of life which Islam offers

to them openly and publicly. Debates and discussions

on the inimitability of the Qur’an and the finality of

the Message (of Islam) from God through the Messenger

Muhammad (saw) will be held, with an invitation for

all present to either refute Islam or accept its

superiority. The speakers will also set out to present

Islam as the only real future for Britain and indeed

the World in terms of maintaining Honesty, Home-land

Security, Morality, Mental well being, Family

protection, continued scientific and material

progress, psychological health as well as providing a

comprehensive code for humanity to live their life by.

The Square will also host a number of Marquees

presenting various aspects of Islam such as its unique

economic system able to solve the problems of

inflation, the hoarding of wealth and the fair

distribution of resources -Islam’s unique social

system which eradicates the exploitation of the sexes

and eliminates promiscuity, pornography and <admin-profanity filter activated>

deviancy and Islam’s ruling system based upon the

concept of sovereignty for God alone, where man is not

a dictator (like Bush or Blair) but rather God’s

trustee on Earth managing mankind’s affairs according

to God’s infallible law...etc...

Here is a message to all the Sikhs and Hindus; put

your pride to one side and accept the Truth. Yes,

Islam, the religion that you detest the most is really

the only religion that will help you when you leave

this life.

To the Hindu’s; forget the caste system and all the

fuss about reincarnation and accept the fact that

everybody is equal in the eyes of God and all will be

accounted on the Day of Judgement. As for the Sikhs,

acknowledge, that as a man-made system your belief is

reall

y just a hotpot of different religions and

opinions “jumbled together”.

The fierce disagreements between Muslims and Hindu’s

have been going since the advent of Islam.

Historically, the effect of Islam in the Indian

sub-continent region was instant. Its emphasis on One

God corrected many of the social issues and “mystical”

beliefs associated with Hinduism at the time. The

caste system was seen in its true nature; a racist

structure geared to preserve the rich over the poor.

Islam offered those at the bottom of the organization

a way of being equal and simultaneously having a

belief system that fitted naturally with the human

self.

The Hindu tradition of worshipping idols was (and

still is) seen as a major act of ignorance, as

creation can never worship creation, particularly when

there is a Creator who has designed and established

everything from apples to zebras. Also, the heavy

emphasis on superstition places the individual under

much stress in his daily life. Islam in comparison has

no place for false notions as everything is under the

control of Almighty God therefore dismissing any talk

of good or bad luck.

As mentioned, Islam corrected the numerous

inadequacies Hinduism imposed on society; thus

impressing on intellectuals such as Guru Nanak (the

founder of Sikhism) that the religion of Muhammad

(saw) was in fact the truth. However, Nanak could not

accept Islam in its entirety so chose just the key

features that favoured him and the people.

However, because Sikhism is man-made it has many

weaknesses, all Sikhs must ponder the following:

Firstly, the religion lacks depth and is easily

brainwashed by more dominant systems. Hinduism still

has a great influence on the Sikhs as the caste system

highlight – the idea that everyone is equal in the

eyes of God is rarely practised by the Sikhs, as

inter-caste marriage is still a taboo subject.

Secondly, Nanak made no claims to divini

ty or to

kinship with God and did not want to be worshipped as

a kind of prophet (K.Singh, 1953). But, today many

Sikhs do this by hanging a picture of Nanak and

directing their prayers towards it. Thirdly, unlike

Islam where the doctrine has stood firm for over 1400

years, Sikhism has evolved; taking in new directions

with every new Guru. Key elements of the religion have

been dramatically altered such as the treatment of the

dead; in Nanak’s time they were buried whereas today

they are cremated. Surely, these facts that are just a

scratch on the surface emphasise the lack of Divinity

found in this belief.

Islam offers the individual and society peace,

happiness and security as everybody acknowledges his

and her Creator, Allah (swt). All the problems that

man faces are not sorted out via various mystical

ritual acts but through having Trust in Allah (swt).

Islam is the religion for the whole of Mankind,

whether somebody comes from Africa, Asia or Europe.

Furthermore, the love of money, which is so rife in

both Hinduism and Sikhism, forcing some people to be

treated or considered insignificant because they do

not have the latest BMW or Mercedes, is considered

unimportant in Islam. The good deeds of an individual

in this life and worthwhile actions that are not

motivated by economic reasons will help the Believer

to attain blissful happiness in Paradise.

The Seal of Messengers, Prophet Mohammad (saw) said

that at the lowest level of Paradise each person will

have up to 10,000 servants! Another saying of the Holy

Prophet (saw) was in relation to the love of this life

to the Hereafter. He said (saw) the material life of

this world is like a drop of water whereas all the

delights in the next life are equivalent to the Ocean.

So, the message to any Sikh and Hindu is do your

research and ask yourself "are you Sikh or Hindu

because you really want to be or is it because your

parents are

". Remember, on the Day of Judgment, no

religion will be accepted from Allah except Islam.

Come to Trafalgar Square on the 25th July 2004 and

give up your false beliefs and accept the perfect and

embrace Deen of Al-Islam.

“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it

will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he

will be one of the losers.” [EMQ 3:85]

For more information, visit www.muhajiroun.com

[sanj singh]

Response to Muslim Propaganda from Sikh Scholar Gurmukh Singh.

Please email this to your friends, and post on other websites.

This is a most regrettable, irresponsible, provocative

and bigoted nonsense from Al-Muhajiroun, UK.

Ludicrous statements like the following do much damage

to Islam.

> The Seal of Messengers, Prophet Mohammad (saw)

> said that at the lowest level of Paradise each

> person will have up to 10,000 servants!

The author's challenge is:

> So, the message to any Sikh and Hindu is do your

> research and ask yourself "are you Sikh or Hindu

> because you really want to be or is it because

> your parents are". Remember, on the Day of

> Judgment, no religion will be accepted from

> Allah except Islam. Come to Trafalgar Square on

> the 25th July 2004 and give up your false beliefs

> and accept the perfect and embrace Deen of

> Al-Islam.

Let us do some research into this "Deen of Al-Islam"

The research says:

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INTERPRETATION OF YOUR RELIGIOUS METAPHOR AND

ALLEGORY! NOW READ ON:

Let us start “In the Name of the Allah, the Merciful,

the Compassionate” :

Is this the religion being compared with Sikhism?

(GGS= Guru Granth Sahib HQ = Holy Quran SM=Sahih

Muslim by Abdul Hamid Sadiqi Lahore SB= Sahih Bukhari

Sharif Ishait-al-Islam Delhi)

Is this “Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate”??

Slavery is permitted in I

slam (HQ 4:3). Bilal was

Prophet Muhammad’s slave and the Prophet’s cousin

Zubair (son of Abu Bakar) had 1000 slaves. A Muslim,

who emancipates a Muslim slave, Allah saves every limb

of his from fire for every limb of the slave, even his

private parts for him” (SM 3604 SB 693V.3 B.46)).

Islam does not condemn slavery.

Slavery is not condoned in Sikhism in any form

whatsoever. Indeed the Guru proclaimed in no uncertain

terms:

“The Gracious Lord has now decreed, “None shall

oppress or inflict pain on another. All shall abide in

peace as the regime shall be compassionate.”

(GGS p.74)

Islamic treatment of women and view about sex etc: A

woman’s testimony (Shahadah) has half the weight of a

man’s (HQ 2: 282, 4:177). When inheritance is to be

shared “A male is equal to the portion of two

females.”(SM 3933 HQ4: 177) A man can divorce his wife

by simply saying “Talaaq, talaaq, talaaq” three times

(HQ 2:229-230,SM 3491-93).

Adultery and pornication are punishable in Islam but

not if committed with women captured in war (SM 3234).

A Muslim can also beat his wife (SM, Trimidhi and HQ

4:34). If a slave girl commits adultery she should be

lashed. If she does it thrice then she should be sold

even for a hair rope.(SB 362,435,731 V.3 B.46) Talaaq

literally means, “undoing the knot”. A man cannot

marry the same woman twice until she has married

another man and divorced him (Ihya 2:230). “The

proportion of rights and powers between male and

female, as laid down by Islam, naturally demand that

out of the two parties only the former should be

entitled to pronounce divorce” (Maulana Moududi quoted

in CIS page 110)

“Islam allows the conversion of female slaves into

concubines with whom <admin-profanity filter activated> relations are legitimate

without the necessity of marriage. Once they have been

allotted to their masters they become their property”

(Maulana Moududi quoted in CIS page 112 Als

o see HQ

4-3) (SM 3432-34)”. The Prophet’s wife Safia (wife of

Kinana) was a captive at the battle of Khaibar. So

were Rihana and Juwariya (SM 4292 Also see Sirat Rasul

Allah pages 493 and 517)

“And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save

those (captives) whom your right hand possesses. It is

a decree of Allah for you” (HQ 4:24)

“Force not your slave girls to whoredom that ye may

seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would

preserve their chastity. And if one forces them, then

Allah, after their compulsion, is All-forgiving,

All-compassionate ” HQ 24:33.

“Islam allows the conversion of female slaves into

concubines with whom <admin-profanity filter activated> relations are legitimate

without the necessity of marriage. Once they have been

allotted to their masters they become their property”

(Maulana Moududi quoted in CIS page 112 Also see HQ

4-3) (SM 3432-34)”

“And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save

those (captives) whom your right hand possesses. It is

a decree of Allah for you” (HQ 4:24)

Islam defines different rights and responsibilities of

men and women.

“Men are in charge of women because Allah hath made

the one to excel the other and because they spend

their property (for the support of women)”(HQ4: 34).

Polygamy is permissible and allows up to four women

(HQ 4:3). The Quran instructs “you will not be able to

deal equally between (your) wives however much ye wish

to do so but turn not altogether away (from one)

leaving her as in suspense.” (HQ 4: 129). A woman is

entitled to a dowry (mehar) and a lawful maintenance

(nafqah) but the domination of a husband is paramount,

“Your women are like a tilth for you (to cultivate),

go unto your tilth as ye will”(HQ 2:223 SM 3363). “Had

it not been for Eve, women would never have acted

unfaithfully towards their husbands.”(SM 3471)

However, “Thy women have rights similar to those (of

men)

over them in kindness, and men are a degree above

them”(HQ 2: 228). “As for those from whom ye fear

rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds

apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek

not a way against them.”(HQ 4:34-35). “Serving a

husband is obligatory since her husband is named her

master in Allah’s Book and she is a captive with him

as is shown in the Sunnah of Allah’s

Messenger”(Adaab-uz-Zufaaf by Muhammad Nasir-ud-din

page 47). “ As for those of your women who are guilty

of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them.

And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation),

then confine them to the houses until death take them

or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through the

new legislation)”(HQ 4:15) Accoring to Islam “ Never

will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their

ruler” (SB 219 V.9 B.88). “No lady should travel on a

journey of two days except with her husband or a

Dhi-Mahram”(SB 215 V3 B31)

Islamic dress for women

There are no restrictions on what men wear. Burqa or

Hijab is a contraption used by the Muslim women to

keep their bodies covered except for the eyes (HQ

33:59, 24:31). Sharia requires women to dress up with

clothes meeting the following criteria

(Adaab-uz-Zufaaf page30).

1. The whole body must be covered except for the oval

of the face and the two hands.

2. The material of the cloth must not be decorative.

3. The material must be thick enough to be opaque.

4. The dress must be loose enough as not to make clear

the shape of the

body.

5. A woman must never wear perfume in public.

6. The dress must not resemble the dress worn by men.

7. The dress must not resemble that worn by

disbelieving women.

8. The dress must not be ostentatious.

Sikhism treats women as equal to men and forbids

adultery or beating of women in any situation. “Like

the companionship of a poisonous snake is the desire

of another’s woman”(GGS P

.403). Ill treatment of women

captured in war is strictly forbidden. This is what we

read about Sardar Sham Singh Attariwala, “It was

disorder, anarchy and confusion in Punjab, they moved

from Malwa to Majha. Just before settling at Attari

and the process of establishing their control they

came across a helpless Muhammadan bride of the nearby

Amir of Sarai Salamat Khan. The manner in which they

returned her to the Amir became a legend and people

still give example of their noble and moral character”

(Ranjit Singh’s Khalsa Raj and Attariwala Sardars,’

National Book Depot Delhi 1944 Edition page 14.)

Sikhism preaches complementary roles of men and women

in all social spheres. However, women are not debarred

from any activities carried out by men; nor are they

restricted to any special dress. Indeed, although

there is a traditional Panjabi dress for women

(salwar, kameez and a light material head cloth), they

may dress exactly like men and go to battle if need

be. Some famous Sikh women have in fact led armies to

battle.

Islamic intolerance: “One who chooses to follow the

code revealed by God becomes a Muslim and one who

refuses to follow it becomes a Kafir.”(The Religion of

Islam by Khurshid Ahmed page 4). “Believers are God’s

party but un-believers are Devil’s party”(HQ4: 76).

“Allah (Himself) is an enemy to the disbelievers” (HQ

2:15, 90,98). “Accursed, they will be seized wherever

found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter (HQ 33:61).

The tribes of Uraina and Ukl had their hands and legs

cut off, their eyes gouged out and no water was given

to them. They died a slow and painful death. (SB 577)

Sikhism: The nearest word to kafir in Sikhism is

sakat. In Gurbani it is used for those who do not

believe in the existence of God. Unlike Islam, Sikhism

does not order killing of such persons but does advise

to avoid their company. “Shun the company of sakat,

keep him at an arm’s length”(GGS p. 1371)

. Whatever

the extent of enmity, Sikhism does not sanction cruel

treatment. Guru Gobind Singh blessed Bhai Kanhaya when

the latter offered water and assistance to the fallen

enemy in the battlefield. The Guru also instructed him

to treat the wounds of the enemies.

“The True Guru has no anger or vengeance and preaches

the same. He looks upon son and enemy alike. He helps

in removing faults and mistakes and thus purifies the

human body”(GGS 960)

Superstition:

Prophet Muhammad preferred always to travel only on a

Thursday, which is considered auspicious. (SB 199

V.4.B.52) “The year is of twelve months out of which

four months (Dhul Qa’da, Dhul Hijja, Muharrum and

Rajab) are sacred.”(SB 419 V4 B54)

In Sikhism no day or month is considered more

auspicious than the others are.

“The same moon rises, the same stars, the same sun

shines in the sky, the earth remains the same and the

same wind blows. How can it be then that some times

are sacred and the others not?” (GGS P.902)

Sacrifice or cruelty to animals? :

All adult Muslims are supposed to sacrifice an animal

on Id-al-Adha (SM 4818-4835) because “There is a

reward annexed to every hair of the animal sacrifice”

(Trimidhi V.1-1392). “On the day of judgement the

horns, hair and hoofs of the sacrificed animal fall in

the pan of pious deeds and thus cancel out the

misdeeds of the devotees”(Mishkwat –al- Masabih Book 4

.Chapter 49-2)

According to Sikhism animal sacrifice has no spiritual

merit and is strictly forbidden.

“The use of force is tyranny even if you call it

halal. When your account is called for in the court of

the Lord, what will your predicament be then?”

(GGS Page 1374)

Sikhism believes in sacrifice for a noble cause or for

the good of humanity when necessary. Guru Gobind

Singh, at Chamkaur, dressed and sent his own two sons

to the battle in a spirit of sacrifice for the right

cause.

S

ervice with humility (sewa), sharing one’s food and

earnings with the needy, treading the righteous path

regardless of cost, and inner detachment while living

a full life, is the Guru’s way of sacrifice. Sikhism

preaches that a real sacrifice is to lay down one’s

own life for a noble cause.

Religious war: Islamic view:

Jihad is defined by H.G. Koenigsberger as “Spreading

Islam by war.”

“The various means employed by an Islamic state to

spread Islam are called jihad, if they involve strife

and struggle. The more popular form of jihad is holy

war”(CIS p.54)

“Fight against such of those who have been given the

Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day,

and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His

Messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until

they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.” (HQ

9:29)

Regarding the spoils of war the Holy Quran says, “Now

enjoy ye what you have won, as lawful and good” (HQ

8:69,48:15). “If a town disobeys Allah and the

Messenger one fifth of the booty seized therefrom is

for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you”

said Muhammad (SM 4346)

Sikhism is opposed to spreading religion through war.

The nearest concept to Jihad is dharam yudh (fight for

justice or the righteous cause). Use of force for

propagating religion or for changing another’s

ideology or point of view runs contrary to Sikh belief

and practice. The divinely inspired compositions of

Muslim and Hindu saints have been included in Sri Guru

Granth Sahib and given the same status as the hymns of

the Sikh Gurus.

Sikhism, therefore, demonstrably preaches that no

single ideology has the monopoly of access to God or

the Ultimate Truth. The Sikh Guru went further when

Guru Tegh Bahadhur (Nanak IX) gave his life to uphold

another’s right of worship in his own way. Sikh Gurus

were fully aware of the need for the use of arms for

defending freedom of religious ideo

logy and the

geo-political implications which were bound to flow

from it. The concept of Khalsa Raj and the just

theo-political aspirations of the Sikhs have brought

(and continue to bring) the Sikh nation into armed

conflict with authoritarian regimes. In certain

circumstances, when all other means have failed,

resort to arms is considered legitimate. Guru Tegh

Bahadur’s injunction is:

“Frighten none and accept fear from no-one.” (GGS p.

1427)

Guru Nanak’s followers could not shirk their

responsibility towards other fellow beings nor could

they accept fear from anyone. Guru Nanak spoke out

against social, political and administrative injustice

and he expected his followers to do the same. The Sikh

Gurus and the bhagats (saints), whose compositions are

recorded in the Holy Granth, were well aware of the

need for resorting to arms for defending human rights

and the freedom of religious ideologies.

“The true warrior is one who fights in defence of the

downtrodden.”

(GGS p. 1105)

“When all attempts to obtain justice fail, it is

legitimate to move the hand to the hilt of the sword.”

(Guru Gobind Singh’s Zafarnama to Moghul Emperor

Aurangzeb).

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For more information please visit:

http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/

[DhadiMania]

the muslims are doing what they are doing because they are motivated by the fact they will....

a. get to paradise

b. get 72 virgins (for one conversion)

how do i know? i remember it was saying in a newspaper.

[Diamond]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

This is the sad fact when a group representing Islam fails to interpret their religion for what it is, guidelines to live a peacful life, as is with every religion.

That is why sects of this religion exist in the greatest frequency. No one can completely understand the original meaning of the arabic within the Qur'an. We should dismiss this group as an order that has taken some meaning out of Islam that is not representative of the whole of that religion. Let's not say all Muslims believe what Al-Muhajiroun believe.

There are good and bad things taken from any religion. Obviously this group makes uneducated claims about our beliefs and makes theirs more superior. That is the worst discrimination. As Sikhs we never claim that we are better or worse than any religion, those who follow Sikhi know that it is a path to Truth. And in it lies an acceptance of all paths that search for Waheguru.

The fact that we sit here and nitpick each other's religions is beside the point that nitpicking in itself is what leads to conflict. I promote going out and protesting what they are doing in public, because it is severly discriminatory, but I'd rather we as Sikhs show our diligence to Gurujis teachings and basically ignore how the ignorant address ours or any other religions.

For us to succumb to such jeering and fingerpointing is not what Gurujis would consider learning and moving closer to the truth. Even in Islam, truths lie that we see are simply expressions of our Waheguru.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji never bowed to the Hindu God or the Muslim God, but He saw in both an element of Wah

eguru.

'Waheguru' in Sikh thinking is the ineffable wondrous awe-inspiring wisdom and knowledge of God. Waheguru underlies, like the sweet fragrance of a flower, all of creation. It is considered as the universal divine law, which harmonizes all creation to the will of God. This is the true mystical essence at the core of all great world faiths, and philosophies, such as, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism.

That essence is what teaches an individual to rise above his/her individualistic narrow-minded sectarian values, and see the one truth in all and every place. Something as a disciple a Sikh hopes to find. A truth that is termed or referred to by mankind in variety of ways - Allah in Islam, God in Christianity, Raam in Hinduism, Waheguru Guru in Sikhism etc.

One attempting to express this truth, is like a mute, who eats sugar and then tries to speak of its taste. This ineffable sublime universal reality/truth, the 'Tat Nachor' (meaning ‘true essence’), is very subtle and fine.

In ancient Sikh ideology, the majority of people in the world do not have the deeds/destiny to appreciate it. Even so-called intellectuals, scholars and religious leaders the world over cannot smell the sweet fragrance of this wondrous flower - the universal true world, spiritual path and the true Divine Dharma that harmonizes man internally and externally in the world. As sikhs this is ultimately the path that we are on.

Dharma brings peace of mind and contentment in life to all. However, the majority of so-called intellectuals, self-proclaimed religious and spiritual leaders, and followers of a particular faith fall into egotistic arguments. Each person claiming his/her own particular system of belief/way of life/religion/philosophy, etc is the only true one and the ‘best’ one, hence all others are false or limited in one way or another.

As was in the time of our Gurujis so it is today, we will rise above such idiosyncrats and their melange of egotistical debauc

hery.

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Yasmin]

the muslims are doing what they are doing because they are motivated by the fact they will....

a. get to paradise

b. get 72 virgins (for one conversion)

how do i know? i remember it was saying in a newspaper.

lol, with all respect... if you want to know anything about islam then read an Islamic book or ask a Muslim...dont beleive what you read in newspapers they cant be trusted by anyone.

[Guest mehtab]

One man shaves off and calls himself a sanyasin, another passes for a yogi or a celibate.One calls himself a Hindu, another a Turk, one a Shia, another a Sunni, but know ye, men all over are the same. He alone is the Creator of both Hindus and Muslims, the Compassionate One, the Allah, our Great Giver: nay, know not another, for there is not another. So serve they all the One alone: for He the One is the only God of us all: it is His Form, His Light that is diffused in all. (15)

No difference there is between a temple and a mosque, nor between the Hindu worship or the Muslim prayer: for men are the same all over, though they appear not the same.Gods and demons, yakshas and gandharvas, Hindus and Muslims, they all seem different, but the difference is only of the dress, custom and country. The same eyes have they, the same ears, the same body, the same habits, a get-together of earth, air, water and fire. Allah is no different from Abhenkha, the Puranas no different from the Koran. All men are made alike. They appear no different to me. (16)

Guru Gobind Singh Jee - Akal Ustat

Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.

Bhagat Kabir Jee. Raag Prabhaatee, Page 1350

Practice within your heart the teachings of the Koran and the Bible

Guru Arjan Dev Ji. Raag Maaroo Page 1083

[DhadiMania]

lol, with all respect... if you want to know anything about islam then read an Islamic book or ask a Muslim...dont beleive what you read in newspapers they cant be trusted by anyone.

yasmin, with the same respect, why is it the bbc caught abu hamza the same thing? the sun was also saying he said this as well?

[Yasmin]

So what if abu hamza said the same thing? Would you prefer I read about Sikhism from newspapers where information could be biased and/or not correct? Or go to authentic sources? This is what I mean by dont trust the media. They only have their own interests at heart. I wouldn't trust abu hamza with a barge pole anyway, I dont personally beelive he gives a true interpretation of Islam.

[DhadiMania]

well, abu hamza said what he said, and he said a man should convert and will get 72 girls in paradise, he said it came from the koran. emphasizing lust. i see your point though.

hamza giving a good side to islam (he represents it)

hmm. take a look at this pic....

abu hamza (also known as captain hook)...

http://www.examineur.com/photos/Abu%20Hamza.jpg

and this....

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/community/galleri...um/abuhamza.jpg

hamza praying outside the mosque after his weakly rants at other religions and the west like "-- jews, -- the americans" (caught by the bbc and the sun)...

http://www.faz.net/s/RubA24ECD630CAE40E483...~Scontent§Phtml

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0128/csmimg/p10a.jpg

correct me if i am wrong, but islam says dont steal from others etc.

him and his body guard....

http://www.newvision.org.uk/42340.jpg

so why did he scrounge on benefits of £1000 a week, lived in a 5 bedroom mansion and had an office in the mosque (the sun took pics of t

hat), has he been sent to the us over charges he had links with al qaeda???

i remember the sun published his phone number, rang him and said get out. word for word was... (i can still remember it)...

abu: hello? (in a grumpy voice)

(posh voice) : hello may i speak to abu hamza al masri ji please?

abu: who this?

me: (turn evil) i know where you live, go back to where you come from you kutha, salah asylum seeker. sharam ni ondhi?

put the phone down. i admit, i got scared when it rang on my friends mobile (i rang from his mobile), but it was his dad. not hamza.

point is, its people like hamza who influence others to do what they are doing.

[Yasmin]

he said a man should convert and will get 72 girls in paradise.

Seriously... dont beleive a word this man says. He's not Allah he can't go around saying things like this.

And yes Islam does teach not to steal.. the fact that he committed the fraud you described just shows how there's no way you can trust anything he says.

And the picture.... lol! Whatever possessed him to have a hook I will never know.