Sri Chand Have No Relation With Sikhism

[Inqlabi]

This will answer all lies that Guru Sahibs send their sons to become Udasis and they dont have any contribution in Sukhmani Sahib.

[chatanga]

i hope you arent the silly person who has put that video up. I would really read up on this again if i were you, it will stop you from making stupid topics, and making your self look like an ignorant, un-educated person.

[Southall Youth]

Sri Chand was good for nothing - he has nothing to do with Sikhism and nor do any of these Sanathan-fied Hindu cults

The Khalsa's home is Anandpur ,Father Guru Gobind Singh Ji Mother Mata Sahib Kaur

[Matheen]

Sri Chand was good for nothing - he has nothing to do with Sikhism and nor do any of these Sanathan-fied Hindu cults

The Khalsa's home is Anandpur ,Father Guru Gobind Singh Ji Mother Mata Sahib Kaur

Veera, read up on our history before saying stuff you may regret later. Gurbani tells us that even the dust from a true Sant's feet is blessed, that the ground on which Guru Ji walked is dhan-dhan. Sri Chand Ji was Guru Ji's son, how does that compare to dust from Guru Ji's feet?!

Gurbani also says that past and future generations of a Bhramgyanis family go straight to Sachkhand - that's for Bhramgyanis, imagine what kind of blessed soul has Guru Ji as their dad!

It isn't Sri Chand Ji's fault that people have made idols representing him etc.

[chatanga]

None of the Guru's denounced Baba Sri Chand, but 6th Guru gave Baba Ji his son Gurditta to carry on the Udasi parchar. I guess southall youth knows more than 6th Guru.

That is the problem with young sikhs today, they read one book and think they know everything.

[Southall Youth]

As far as I know Sri Chand disobeyed Guru Sahib and lived his life covering himself in ashes -not on the path of Gurmat.He may have been Guru Sahibs biological son but nowhere near a son as a Khalsa is to Guru Sahib.

ਪੁਤ੍ਰੀ ਕਉਲੁ ਨ ਪਾਲਿਓ ਕਰਿ ਪੀਰਹੁ ਕੰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਮੁਰਟੀਐ ॥

Nanak's sons did not obey His Word; they turned their backs on Him as Guru.

Thus Bhai Lehna became Guru Angad Dev Ji

[Only five]

None of the Guru's denounced Baba Sri Chand, but 6th Guru gave Baba Ji his son Gurditta to carry on the Udasi parchar. I guess southall youth knows more than 6th Guru.

That is the problem with young sikhs today, they read one book and think they know everything.

In which book are you getting the above information from?

[Matheen]

ਪੁਤ੍ਰੀ ਕਉਲੁ ਨ ਪਾਲਿਓ ਕਰਿ ਪੀਰਹੁ ਕੰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਮੁਰਟੀਐ ॥

Nanak's sons did not obey His Word; they turned their backs on Him as Guru.

Thus Bhai Lehna became Guru Angad Dev Ji

Is that a translation or an opinion?

Many Mahaan Gursikhs didn't pass the tests for Gurgaddi, but that doesn't mean we start insulting or disrespecting them. Ithaas tells us that Guru Nanak Sahib Ji's worldly family were shown the utmost respect by Guru ANgad Dev Ji up to Kalgidhar Pita Ji.

This is Aarta, written by Baba Sri Chand Ji for Guru Sahib, it shows the prem they had:

"Let us sing the praises of Nanak, King of kings of both worlds . The whole world is His temple, congregations sing sweet songs in His praise, Millions of goddesses kindle holy lights in His honor, All the gods sing psalms of His praises, All wash His lotus feet. The Sun and moon illuminate Him with their radiance, He is garlanded with mountains of flowers The True Master, the fountain of Light, is merciful to the poor, The king of the winds fans Him while saints and sages meditate on His holiness. The whole universe vibrates with His celestial song, The bells ring out - Onkar, Continuously illuminating the heavens He is one with God whose name is Truth, In Nanak saints find their support. Siri Chand, Nanak's son, declares Nanak is unattainable, unfathomable, unshakeable and pure. Whoever sings Emperor Nanak's praises resides in heaven and achieves complete salvation Oh kind master: give protection to those who seek your shelter. Oh Nanak: You are the savior we are just your children"

Only5 - That post by Chatanga is from Suraj Parkash and other historical granths as well.

[chatanga]

In which book are you getting the above information from?

yep, its from suraj parkash, and it also says that Guru Nanak Dev Ji gave thapia to Baba Sri Chand to continue Udasi method of Parchaar.

And remember that in the tests of the Sikhs, only Bhai Lehna passed, but we are quick to remember that Baba Sri Chand failed, but also, Baba Budha Ji was one who didnt pass the test of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. What does this mean, that Baba Budha Ji turned his back on Guru Nanak Dev Ji? Absolutely not. And the same applies in Baba Sri Chand's case.

The main problem is that Udasi's have fallen frome the great path shown to them by Guru Nanak Dev Ji. But having said that so has the Khalsa Panth. Udasi's (not all though) have gone back to idol worship etc, and that is their own stupidity but they are ignoring Guru Nanaks teachings. But this doesnt mean that Udasi Panth or Udasi Samprdaye is bad, or has no realtion with Sikh Panth, they are absolutlely an ang of Sikh panth.

[Only five]

yep, its from suraj parkash, and it also says that Guru Nanak Dev Ji gave thapia to Baba Sri Chand to continue Udasi method of Parchaar.

And remember that in the tests of the Sikhs, only Bhai Lehna passed, but we are quick to remember that Baba Sri Chand failed, but also, Baba Budha Ji was one who didnt pass the test of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. What does this mean, that Baba Budha Ji turned his back on Guru Nanak Dev Ji? Absolutely not. And the same applies in Baba Sri Chand's case.

The main problem is that Udasi's have fallen frome the great path shown to them by Guru Nanak Dev Ji. But having said that so has the Khalsa Panth. Udasi's (not all though) have gone back to idol worship etc, and that is their own stupidity but they are ignoring Guru Nanaks teachings. But this doesnt mean that Udasi Panth or Udasi Samprdaye is bad, or has no realtion with Sikh Panth, they are absolutlely an ang of Sikh panth.

I didn't pose that question to you because i want to disprove what you said, but just to ask where its coming from.

In my view there was nothing wrong with Udasi, Nirmalas, etc before 1699 and if a person took these paths, they were/are apart of the Sikh Panth. We can go further into history and see all the bhagats that followed Sri Waheguru ji and became jeevan mukt. Today, and after 1699, I believe the order from Sri Waheguru ji was finalized and complete (Saint-soldier, the order existed before, but the world did not realize it. The Gurus had to come down and spread it). If we look at Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj teachinges, they are more related to pulling the yogi the person who left the world to come back and practice true dharma in the world (Sant side of Gurmat). Then we have Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj, who took the Sant and the savage swordmen and transformed them into soldiers of true dharma (Gurmat). In this day and age a person that is aware of the Khalsa teaching, he must follow this final form. Whether that be Udasi, Nirmalas, a Hindu, a Muslim, a Christian, whatever they want to call themselves. Satguru didn't exclude anyone from his teachinges and Guru Sahib applied Gurbani to every human being on this world. Those that don't even know what the Khalsa is, for them its a different story. The Nirmalas, the Udasi and all these other people that are aware of the Khalsa teachinges and don't let go of their ways are fooling themselves to think that they are higher than the order of Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj and they can do whatever they want. Let's not kid ourselves and say Shabad Guru, Gurbani is just for the Sikhs. Shabad Guru doesn't have a certain personal limit, but it has a discipline attached to it, which was given to us from Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj. In my view Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj and Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj took two extreme paths (yogi and savage swordmen) that people of the old age were following and combined them as one to every man and woman to follow. These division only get created when the ego comes out in the person and they want to follow a certain person from the past. Nothing wrong with taking their teachings, but the final order came from Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj, who took Amrit himself and his teachinges are supreme than any other bhagat, Udasi, or Sant, etc, etc, that became jeevan mukt. In my view, thats what everyone must follow in todays day and age. And if Satguru comes down again to bless us with more teachinges then, we should accept them and not say I'm the Sikh of this so i don't have to follow this teaching of Sri Waheguru ji.