Sas On Sangat Tv Yesterday

[MentalSingh 15]

Did anyone watch the discussion on Sangat TV at 9pm yesterday, just want to congratulate Sangat TV for dicussing such an important topic live on air and bringing awareness to the sangat about the dangers that our kids are facing when they go out. So many people would not have known about these problems and educating the sangat is critical and using this media format is ideal. It makes a good change from the Gurdwara Politics that are regularly dicsussed on the other channel and it directly addresses and relates to the youth. Well done to Sangat TV, keep it up. Well done to SAS aswell, keep up the good work you are doing.

http://www.sasorg.co.uk/

[SinghWarrior 102]

Completely agree. It was an excellent show. Well done Sangat TV!

Sometimes, our elders/Sikh media are scared to discuss these issues as they know they are controversial and will offend people. Sorry, but burying our head in the sand only makes the issues worse. These are real issues which our Panth is facing TODAY. There's no point crying when things go wrong. Better to address these issues first. This can only happen through awareness.

[EDLSingh 5]

Completely agree. It was an excellent show. Well done Sangat TV!

Sometimes, our elders/Sikh media are scared to discuss these issues as they know they are controversial and will offend people. Sorry, but burying our head in the sand only makes the issues worse. These are real issues which our Panth is facing TODAY. There's no point crying when things go wrong. Better to address these issues first. This can only happen through awareness.

lol, i sent out a message to some of the policy makers within the edl to watch it and hear 1st hand the issues we as a community have with grooming etc. As i knew Mohan Singh was doing it, i thought it would mainly be in english, haha- i had a good laugh. can u imagine the scene 'a group of so called racists watching a Mr Singh talking in Panjabi trying to understand what he was saying' lol i did an ok tranlsation job lol

[Tera 22]

Missed it but SAS do a great job... And lets not even start about the EDL :s

[sachasoormaa 19]

lol, i sent out a message to some of the policy makers within the edl to watch it and hear 1st hand the issues we as a community have with grooming etc. As i knew Mohan Singh was doing it, i thought it would mainly be in english, haha- i had a good laugh. can u imagine the scene 'a group of so called racists watching a Mr Singh talking in Panjabi trying to understand what he was saying' lol i did an ok tranlsation job lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6jEPZ4yCK4

[dalsingh101 413]

lol, i sent out a message to some of the policy makers within the edl to watch it and hear 1st hand the issues we as a community have with grooming etc. As i knew Mohan Singh was doing it, i thought it would mainly be in english, haha- i had a good laugh. can u imagine the scene 'a group of so called racists watching a Mr Singh talking in Panjabi trying to understand what he was saying' lol i did an ok tranlsation job lol

Jeez, you still selling that EDL crap......

I missed the show, can I see it online anywhere? Did they resolve their technical difficulties since last week?

[VanHelsingh 1,984]

I just checked their website and I admire them for taking the initiative to spread awareness about Sikhi.

However, scroll down on the first page of their website and there's a link to an article about the imam who abused a child. Whilst this cannot be disputed, the inclusion of such an article on their website seems....childish to me - almost like point-scoring. Lest we forget, a "granthi" was jailed for abusing a little Sikh girl who came to learn kirtan from him. So before we're made to look like hypocrites, maybe we shouldn't gloat about the unfortunate characters that can be found lurking in ALL faiths?

[Jaggaa 98]

I just checked their website and I admire them for taking the initiative to spread awareness about Sikhi.

However, scroll down on the first page of their website and there's a link to an article about the imam who abused a child. Whilst this cannot be disputed, the inclusion of such an article on their website seems....childish to me - almost like point-scoring. Lest we forget, a "granthi" was jailed for abusing a little Sikh girl who came to learn kirtan from him. So before we're made to look like hypocrites, maybe we shouldn't gloat about the unfortunate characters that can be found lurking in ALL faiths?

Unfortunate is the time and culture we live in where people don't think about themselves before pointing fingers at others.

[dalsingh101 413]

So before we're made to look like hypocrites, maybe we shouldn't gloat about the unfortunate characters that can be found lurking in ALL faiths?

Any Sikh trying to use what goes on from elements in the Pakistani community towards vulnerable and dumb girls to make themselves feel better about themselves is a straight bewakoof. Simple.

Truth is that we too need to keep an eye out amongst ourselves and be careful too. It doesn't take long for ANY community to go downwards once rot/corruption sets in. Yes, keep an eye out and combat what happens from outside, but we must never forget that we need to continually keep standards high in our own community at the same time.

Kaam and lower behaviour seems almost intrinsic in humans and we do have our own perverts too. We need to deal with what we are facing without any gloating. Do things with dignity.

[VanHelsingh 1,984]

It's a delicate issue. Whilst I appreciate their attempt to educate clueless Sikhs about some of the shenanigans in other faiths, the point I highlighted (about the dodgy granthi) could easily have been made by a Muslim person who didn't sugar-coat his reply in the way I did. I guarantee that would have hurt our sentiments a lot more.

Anyway I've deviated from the original post. Apologies and once again I'd like to say that the SAS site's efforts are extremely commendable and a positive step. Just a bit of awareness here and there wouldn't go amiss.

[Pyara 288]

This is the dangerous trap. We can focus so much on identifying the external enemy and neglect the crap sitting on our own doorstep. It's just the way group dynamics work, nothing causes a group to galvanise like the existence of an external enemy does. Look at the way EDL formed up from nothing, if they didn't target an external enemy in the muslim these belligerent lagar louts had nothing to gel them together.

Saying that Mohan Singh/SAS provide necessary niche parchar which has been responsible for an increase in vigilance in many Sikh parents. A level of awareness of an external enemy is important, however not to the level that we continually rely on demonising them.

[dalsingh101 413]

Saying that Mohan Singh/SAS provide necessary niche parchar which has been responsible for an increase in vigilance in many Sikh parents. A level of awareness of an external enemy is important, however not to the level that we continually rely on demonising them.

I agree. I've seen a few girls from families who are vehemently anti-sullah and are warned about grooming, conversions etc. then go off and run off with one.

When you play the demonising card too hard it backfires. If some young apni gets told x, y and z and then when she is say 19/20, meets some good looking, smooth, sweet talking Pak at work (for instance), she is going to question what she has been told and probably reject it as lies based on her own immediate experience. Especially as most females have an intrinsic need for attention and an evolutionary tendency to seek attractive partners.

It could be other factors too, like low self esteem issues or not feeling strongly valued in the family. When people are young they are also discovering and grappling with forces of attraction and lust too. Something most Sikh families will never discus with them (if indeed that would help?)

Sure, the agendas and motivations of the external protagonists needs to be understood and made common knowledge, but where we screw up as families and a community is failing to match this with a solid understanding of what goes on in the head and bodies of those who are vulnerable.

[Hammertime007 508]

Look edl are doing there thing and SAS their, they speak they same things in some ways but in different ways.

Just leave them to it.

Constant showing videos of boozed up edl isn’t helping theres clued up people in edl like Tommy Robinson/Steven lenon who speak on the same level as sas spokesman.

[dalsingh101 413]

To the 2 giddarh clowns who minused my last post:

Why not try and communicate what you disagree with from my post and debate it?

Or are you too dense and scared to even try?

[Hammertime007 508]

Eastenders are currently running a story of a girl called Whitney who gets picked up a organize gang who want to use her for sex.

She first is picked by one the guys who flatter her with flashy cars and nights out, and sees him as a boy freind

Then she has to sleep with his friends or face the knuckles.

Though the sex gang are white in the programme this typical of what Pakistanis do.

Charity comic relief have made a special espoisde dealing with such abuse.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=ktpVHTg_cyw

Its scarey imgaine what its like in real life and this is just short programme which is a very mild version of it.