Proms & Discos ? :S

[Guest RavindaSingh]

Don't go full stop!

Whether you amrithdaree or not.

Whether you drink or not don't go. You shouldn't be going where alcohol is going to be served.

The songs that will be plated are most likely going to be lustful, all about gf and bf abs relationships.

If you are thinking but, "oh I'm just going with my friends as this will be the last time were together".

Forget it, you can always do your own thing with your friend without a pron/disco.

If you want to walk on the path of sikhi or take amrit eventually trust me don't go.

I'm so glad I didn't go to mine. I wasn't amrithdaree at that time but even tho at that time I wasn't thinking about taking amrit some time soon, I knew it wasn't the 'sikh' thing to do.

And I'm still glad I didn't go, that one event could have made me walk in a different direction. Don't add unnecessary experiences in your life.

Trust me just forget it.

I dont know bhenji i went to prom and there was drinks their im amritdharee but this kind of thing is gd because it helps you see what everyone is really like also in relation to sikhi it helps you try to better yourself when you know this is the state of others around you .... it helps goin to these things because they could be like main events in life u get me and it gives you strength and tests your sikhi ....

[HarKaNaam]

Fateh Jee,

Prior to receiving Amrit, I went to my prom and it was definitely a night to remember! it was so good to see all of our year group get on so well, mix and be jolly for the last time together. Yes Alcohol was taken secretly, quite standardly for manmukhs...but no one forced it down my throat! I just kept a bottle of water with me at all times!! The main issue is that YES people are going to be doing kalyugi things, but we have to remain out of that and know when to stop. You cant stop socialising with family and friends...Its like a tree in a really bad thunderstorm...The wind will push against the tree, and it will bend accordingly, but if it is in its own EGO, then the wind will snap it because its so stuck up!!!

Recently i've been blessed with Amrit, and yeah I have friends who drink and eat meat...Dont tend to socialise with them tooooo much...still try to find good sangat or even with the manmukhs, start a religious convo...they ask me to go out, but NOW I refuse to, because Guru Jee is much more important that nights out!!! But if its for like a meal, if your keeping Gurmat Bibek, then you shouldn't really eat out! But i still go, take a drink with you, sit with them and have a good laugh and a joke...doesnt mean your eating meat or drinking alcohol if your in that atmosphere for like an hour!!

Baaki, do ARDAAS and do what YOU feel is RIGHT for YOU!!! May Maharaaj guide you and bless His Divine Light upon you :D

GurFateh!

[Kalsingh]

When do you start practing the rehat Maryada? After taking Amrit or before taking Amrit. If you look at history (From Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj time to Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj's time) as an example. All the Sikhs started practicing the rehat Maryada before taking Amrit. What does that say about going to prom? Rehat Maryada is there so people can strenghten themselves not to face the world, this is a plus to it, but to build a devotion toward Sri Waheguru ji Maharaj, so their love for Satguru grows strong. Sikhi is not a solution to walk into maya and say i am not affected by it. This is refered as having ego, read about the dieties and see what they were up too. No Sikh in the world can say I am strong enough to go to social events such as prom and not be affected by it. As soon as the Sikh says he or she can, then they have lost themselves in pride and every Gurmukh says the maya that destroys us is pride. They lost the sense of love for Satguru and started speaking of I am....... When you say I am in this way can you serious say i am the dust of the feet of the Saints?

I never said Sikhi was a solution to walk into maya and not be affected by it. I think you are confusing my stance with the poster on this topic by the name of (iet). Lol, even I see that his line of thinking is not right.

How does this apply here. Are you saying it's this person destiny to go, when they haven't even gone?

I don't know how you have come up with that conclusion about what I am saying. No, I'm not saying it is in his destiny to go.

And i don't think you should condemn a person to this kind of stuff. Destiny would be it already happened and the person was asking on how to move forward from the guilt. Also you would have to know the person future before stating such things.

Thats the whole point, Mahapurshs know a persons future. And they knew this guys too.

In what way is a person shut themselves off from the world by not going to prom? Do you shut yourself off from the world by not going to manmukhi places or do you move into reality? Yes prom is part of the world, but is it part of the Sikh world? How can you repress something that you don't want to do? Love for Satguru is our focus, not walking into prom and claiming i don't get affected.

Again, you are confusing mine and the other posters' (iet) line of thinking. I am not saying go to the prom and claim to not get affected by it.

Do you need to see the bad side of life in order to experience it?

Nothing positive can come out of going to prom.

Alot of people would actually say yeah, you do need to see the bad side. I disagree that nothing positive will come out of going. He may see that it is bad and learn from it, making him aware of the sort of stuff that goes on. I used to be like this. I never went to a night club because I thought it was bad. Then I started going and it made me realise how out of place it really is in the life of a sikh. Without going, I would have never known. It can make you more strong in your beliefs. At the end of the day, I'm not encouraging people to go to a stripclub or something 'to see how wrong it is'.

This has to be looked at in context. If the OP was a bit older say in his mid 20s and asking if he should start going clubbing, I would advise against it. This young man is still figuring out what the world is about and needs to see what goes on to make him a well rounded individual. At the end of the day, it is his prom. His fellow classmates are all going to be there, its just a party. Yeah bad things happen but that doesn't mean don't participate in things. What about people at work who swear in offices and smoke and even get drunk (I have seen it happen). Does that mean you should change jobs. I think you need to relax.

But it is obvious we have completely different opinions on this matter. We'll have to agree to disagree.

[Guest iet]

Only 5, sit down, read Gurbani and understand what I actually wrote. Let go of all of your worldly conceptions and Truly Read.

The Brahmgyani is the ALL KNOWER. I never claimed Guruship my friend, I too am full of the five theives- but I do urge all of the fearful and pretentious sheep that make up the so called khalsa(khalsa is one who has fully killed the mind and is united with His light fully 24/7, hence not a single one of us can claim this status.) today to get up and join the fight of the Self.

Atal Awasth my friend is the state when one is unaffected by anything, you could be sitting in the middle of a full scale war and not bat an eyelid let alone fall off the path by going to a prom- You could be sawn alive or raped by another man and not feel anything but the balance being served. This game is not for the weak hearted or mind indulgers, Nirboah is fearless, Nirboah and Nirvair is nothing less than a fearless love.

Test yourself and learn your lessons, don't tell people on here to follow Man-made opinions, for some(the weak hearted) will not realise that the opinions are your own and not Truth. The Brave Ones won't be shaken by the views of mortals, this isn't about winning and I have no fear of a mortals posts my friend, Gurbani is written by the immortal and Bani is Guru. Your knowledge of gurbani is clouded by your own views.

We are all yet young, if we were not we would be sitting in His Court right now, and assuming you are not sitting there in this moment, noone need take your word as law in the least.

To Remain Detached LIKE A LOTUS FLOATING ABOVE THE MUDDY WATER(from gurbani)

-Is the very essence of True Sikhi, not the Sikhi that people claim to have mastered when they cannot control their own filthy minds(and don't act like yours isn't, we are all sinners in that respect)let alone detach from a prom.

Also Home is the darkest hell for the sole reason that we regard our family members and home closer to us and more familiar than the rest of creation(forgetting Nirvair). In this psychological state, we create a darkness(of attachment) to such an extent that it is regarded as the darkest hell, when in fact, to become Gurmukh, one must love unconditionally and equally(Nirboah), love the devil as much as your own mother, for both he and she are god- how many of us can claim this state? This is what we aspire for, even the stumbling drunken girl at the prom is as dear to us as our own mother and sisters-just another unrealised God, and a potential Bhagat, and like one of our own limbs- yet in our snobbery and ego we dismiss this fact.

The gurus and Bhagats had the company of many filthy souls(serial killers, prostitues, drunkards etc), but in coming in contact with them and Truly teaching(a selfless act of seva) they turned around the lives and touched the hearts of many. The spoken word of Truth is incredibly powerful, it can turn monsters into angels in no time.

Does noone here see the total selfishness and fearfulness that lead people to only practice truth in their comfort zones and not out admist the Kalyug where Just The Sight Of a Bhagat can change the lives of many and make this age lighter? Why did our Gurus not sit back and do bhagti in the comfort of their own homes, why teach demons, rapists, alcoholics and murderers and travel miles to the most kal infected places?

Why tell their devotees to scatter apart and spread to spread their goodness in places that goodness was almost non existant?

Why not go out there and preach Truth, even a demon(demons like us both) speaking Truth is worth listing to, for the Truth sticks.

Do not cower in a corner afraid that your psychological state might break- that is selfish, instead, toughen up, go out there and remain detached(pass his tests of whether or not maya can make you fall) or face so much dukhi(in the presence of evil) that when you do detach(the greater the pain, the greater the detachment), the light that penetrates the darkness isnt weak like it is when we Practice Truth at home, but is So Strong that it penetrates the Kal and reaches all the way to Sachkandh- that is why God made us live in this age.

If we were living in a lighter age, we wouldn't be going so full on with our bhagti- the most darkness is required for the most light to break through and for the strongest fight and most realisation.

Lets all quit the fear and become Fearless- and remain fearlessly detached through everything always.

This is written in gurbani, it is nothing new- the water for the lotus to float on wouldnt be muddy if we stayed in our comfort zones, the lotus floats in shitty water i.e Kalyug infested situations and places. Nirbaoah and Nirvair are the laws- teach Satan himself Truth if ever you come across his path- Many moghul emporers were butchers and were still taught. See past the imagery and realise all as One- people are just stuck to one aspect of God instead of embracing the whole and their true nature/God- Observe the <banned word filter activated> and the clean, put them together and achieve the balance i.e truth.

[Guest iet]

"How can a blind, deaf, and mute person miss the world when they have no clue what it is? To them the world is what they are. "

p.s the Brahmgyani is the All knower, meaning they Know all- ie heaven, hell and everything else.

They see without seeing, one does not need eyes to see, in fact to become gurmukh, we take our eyes out and just feel. Then the knowledge comes- Na Roop Na Rekh Na Rang- Heaven+Hell= Balance i.e Truth i.e God- god of no image- we actually cannot acheive the True state without Knowing All.

That is what is discovered.

[Only five]

I never said Sikhi was a solution to walk into maya and not be affected by it. I think you are confusing my stance with the poster on this topic by the name of (iet). Lol, even I see that his line of thinking is not right.

I know what i read from your post and its clear what you were saying. I wish you had answered my questions, but as i wrote them, i had a feeling you wouldn't answer them. And my gut feeling wasn't wrong here. Also, i'll refresh your memory here.

Just go. You don't want want to regret it a few years later. Follow your heart. There's nothing wrong, especially if its a school disco or prom.

I don't know how you have come up with that conclusion about what I am saying. No, I'm not saying it is in his destiny to go.

Thats the whole point, Mahapurshs know a persons future. And they knew this guys too.

When i read your post, i was tryin to understand why are you bringing up such comments that don't even apply here. There is no Mahapursh here telling the OP their future. I know what I read and your biased view off pushing toward going to prom was showing in your knowning the future bit. Here let me refresh your memory again from a different post from this thread.

By telling people to repress and shut themselves off from the world

Again, you are confusing mine and the other posters' (iet) line of thinking. I am not saying go to the prom and claim to not get affected by it.

Here let me refresh your memory again.

Some people may be at that stage where they can completely shut themselves off from the world, that is great and ultimately is the aim.

However, you do not take into account that there are other people who are on many different levels of spirituality.

Then you say....

What I'm saying is, everybody's journey is different and requires different strategies to adapt to this life. By telling people to repress and shut themselves off from the world

You might be subtle by its clear to where your post is leading too.

Alot of people would actually say yeah, you do need to see the bad side. I disagree that nothing positive will come out of going. He may see that it is bad and learn from it, making him aware of the sort of stuff that goes on. I used to be like this. I never went to a night club because I thought it was bad. Then I started going and it made me realise how out of place it really is in the life of a sikh. Without going, I would have never known. It can make you more strong in your beliefs. At the end of the day, I'm not encouraging people to go to a stripclub or something 'to see how wrong it is'.

Before you start bringing up so called scholarly writings on this way of behaving. I'm ask you another question, and i hope it gets answered this time. What does Guru Sahib say about going to these events? All that matters here is what Guru Sahib says...FULL STOP. Rehat says don't go. Rehat comes from Satguru, so you DONT GO...FULL STOP.

This has to be looked at in context. If the OP was a bit older say in his mid 20s and asking if he should start going clubbing, I would advise against it. This young man is still figuring out what the world is about and needs to see what goes on to make him a well rounded individual. At the end of the day, it is his prom. His fellow classmates are all going to be there, its just a party. Yeah bad things happen but that doesn't mean don't participate in things.

If you had read my post, then you wouldn't be writing such nonsense. Sant's don't attend these kinds of events. In what world can an average joe attend this event. Who cares about classmates and it is not just a party. Are you here for classmates or Satguru? For you it might be..just a party. But when you are on higher spiritual levels, it means the whole universe. Satguru forgives in a second, but a Sikh suffers many lives for his mistakes. Speak to a Gurmukh that has struggled many lives to get where he or she is at. Gurbani explains this struggle to us, but some miss it, so speak to a Gurmukh, they also can explain in detail.

And who wants to participate in events, which drive them away from Satguru? Sincerely, I think you need to re-think what Sikhi really means.

What about people at work who swear in offices and smoke and even get drunk (I have seen it happen). Does that mean you should change jobs. I think you need to relax.

Satguru tells us to make an honest living is a must, but doesn't tell us to attend manmukh events. Making an honest living is not going out of your way to attend manmukh events. Prom is, the difference is very clear here. Also there is no smoking or drinking allowed at work. If you have seen this take place, then take it up with the boss.

"But it is obvious we have completely different opinions on this matter. We'll have to agree to disagree."

The different between you and me is that i answered your post. You didn't even answer one question. Also I tell the poster to follow Satguru and you say go with your heart. I see something very wrong with your line of thinking. There is no 'I' in Guru Sahib's grace.

[Only five]

Only 5, sit down, read Gurbani and understand what I actually wrote. Let go of all of your worldly conceptions and Truly Read.

I'd rather stand and read Gurbani. And inorder for another to say let go of worldly conceptions, they first themselves need to understand what these worldly conceptions are. IN your post here, you demostrate that you have very little knowledge on what ego is. IN this very post you show a high level of ego. Listen to the true life events of shaheed Singhs. You will be very surprised on how humble these great souls were. Inorder to be a shaheed it takes alot of humility and obedience to Saguru's grace.

The Brahmgyani is the ALL KNOWER. I never claimed Guruship my friend, I too am full of the five theives-

Actually, you don't even understand how much ego you have. And Brahmgyanis don't go to manmukhi events. If they do, then its strictly to take the darkness before the blind peoples eyes. Also the OP is not a Brahmgyani, no offence to the thread starter.

but I do urge all of the fearful and pretentious sheep that make up the so called khalsa(khalsa is one who has fully killed the mind and is united with His light fully 24/7, hence not a single one of us can claim this status.) today to get up and join the fight of the Self.

Gurbani says don't associate with the faithless cynic. By your thinking, this truth would be being a sheep. I think you need to calm down and actually read what your saying. Satguru has set up rehat maryada for us to keep on the right path. The focus is Satguru and not to act like the dieties did. YOu should read up on how much pride they had in them. You might see some similarities between you and them. Also try to find someone who can tell you about how shaheed Singhs spent there last minutes of this mortal life. These Shaheed Singhs also didn't attend social events like prom, does that make them sheeps too?

Atal Awasth my friend is the state when one is unaffected by anything, you could be sitting in the middle of a full scale war and not bat an eyelid let alone fall off the path by going to a prom- You could be sawn alive or raped by another man and not feel anything but the balance being served. This game is not for the weak hearted or mind indulgers, Nirboah is fearless, Nirboah and Nirvair is nothing less than a fearless love.

I can say humility to you a thousand times, but i think you have lost the meaning of humility. Again i'll point to rehat maryada and says no Gurmukh, who is jivan mukht will attend these social events. They live in the fear of Sri Waheguru ji Maharaj. Many religions teach that praying is a tool to God and it can be forget after reaching enlightment, but Satguru teaches us no jivan mukht souls stops praying to Satguru ever. Being sawn alive is Satguru's Hukam, but going to prom is not Satguru's hukam. Satguru's hukam is actually to avoid these events.

Test yourself and learn your lessons, don't tell people on here to follow Man-made opinions, for some(the weak hearted) will not realise that the opinions are your own and not Truth. The Brave Ones won't be shaken by the views of mortals, this isn't about winning and I have no fear of a mortals posts my friend, Gurbani is written by the immortal and Bani is Guru. Your knowledge of gurbani is clouded by your own views.

Man made opinions are those that say to follow the heart and to indulge in ego. Listen to katha by Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa. Listen to other jivan mukht souls katha and its very clear they say do not attend such social events. Satguru tells us not to end these social events. how can you say, you are the brave when you just said your fulled with the five vices? You need to search the definition of the brave in Gurbani and not make up your own. I listen to the katha of the brave and Gurbani of the fearless and they say don't go...FULL STOP.

We are all yet young, if we were not we would be sitting in His Court right now, and assuming you are not sitting there in this moment, noone need take your word as law in the least.

Again i'm going to stress, I listen to the katha of those who sit in his court. I think if more people started listening to these jivan mukht souls katha, this wouldn't even be an issue right now.

To Remain Detached LIKE A LOTUS FLOATING ABOVE THE MUDDY WATER(from gurbani)

Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa is the lotus. If you want more examples then i can surely provide them too you. Look into these Gurmukhs lifestyles and see if you find these pure souls going to such events you refer to as looking fear into the eyes. Satguru calls it being manmukh.

-Is the very essence of True Sikhi, not the Sikhi that people claim to have mastered when they cannot control their own filthy minds(and don't act like yours isn't, we are all sinners in that respect)let alone detach from a prom.

Point to one Gurmukh that says go to these events? YOu wont find them because once a person says go, then they are not Gurmukhs and they never were.

Also Home is the darkest hell for the sole reason that we regard our family members and home closer to us and more familiar than the rest of creation(forgetting Nirvair). In this psychological state, we create a darkness(of attachment) to such an extent that it is regarded as the darkest hell, when in fact, to become Gurmukh, one must love unconditionally and equally(Nirboah), love the devil as much as your own mother, for both he and she are god- how many of us can claim this state? This is what we aspire for, even the stumbling drunken girl at the prom is as dear to us as our own mother and sisters-just another unrealised God, and a potential Bhagat, and like one of our own limbs- yet in our snobbery and ego we dismiss this fact.

Actually a home is what you make of it. But prom is a social event set up by other people who play lustful music so a bunch of teenagers can have a 'time of their life'. At home we are the controllors and can make it into hell or heaven or what Sikhs refer to as Sachkand. The Gurmukh looking inward doesn't need to travel around to find Satguru. Attachment is not just existent at home, but at prom too. If it wasn't then you wouldn't be discussing with me right now. It's obvious your attached to going to such social events, so you take up all the energy here to defend your behaviour. Me on the other hand have accepted that they should not be attended and have taken on hte role of listening to Satguru in this aspect. There is no regrets or sad thoughts for not attending. Instead there is a calmness and contentment.

Also your post reminds me of a big American who thinks hes the toughest guy in the world, So he sees this small chinese guy and tells him to hit him to taunt the chinese guy, due to his size. The chinese guy practically begs the big American not to taunt him and provoke him. But the big American is full of pride, why wouldn't he be...hes the badest American out in the world. But as soon as the chinese guy lands one on him the big bad wolf is on the ground in a split second and is knocked out cold. Only later when he gets his noodles back does he see how small he really was and makes his way to follow the path of the humble.

[Hau Apraadhi]

kbIr swkq sMgu n kIjIAY dUrih jweIAY Bwig ]

Kabeer, do not associate with the faithless cynics; run far away from them.

bwsnu kwro prsIAY qau kCu lwgY dwgu ]131]

If you touch a vessel stained with soot, some of the soot will stick to you. ||131||

[Guest C n do!]

Hi . That Monk story is really good. Enjoyed that thanks for sharing. N Yeah there a shabd in Gurbani that talks about man de vikar n if sometim does have a bad effect on yo mind then stay away from it. But we r all diff so you might not get bad thoughts. Can someone put it here please. Like about types of clothes and foods etc Depends on you. There an article on sikh and dance somewhere on internet written by a bibi is US can't remember where. But it was good n showed me a lot of knowledge. Thanks for sharing

[Mehtab Singh]

kbIr swkq sMgu n kIjIAY dUrih jweIAY Bwig ]

Kabeer, do not associate with the faithless cynics; run far away from them.

bwsnu kwro prsIAY qau kCu lwgY dwgu ]131]

If you touch a vessel stained with soot, some of the soot will stick to you. ||131||

Thats what I was trying to find to post, thanks so much Gurmukho!