Mma Guys Learning About The Street

[Khaalis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUyD0kFsJD8&feature=related

An interesting episode of fight quest, showing some basic differences between sport and street, with some MMA guys learning about a few street tactics.

The Kajukembo stuff is ok, but very power intensive, but good basic tactics. Sticks and knives knowledge is very basic, but you can see how this and the multiple scenario troubles the sportsmen.

It also highlights the different mindset, skill set, rules and awareness etc that is required on the street as opposed to the ring. Again, many aspects of sport fighting can be transferred to the street, but many others are invalid.

At 13.00 you see a simple response if executed correctly would paralyse someone trying to take you to the floor.

Going to the floor (let alone grappling) on the street is extremely hazardous. The floor is concrete, so landing hard on it (especially your head) will end most scenarios. Alongside, using inanimate obstacles in the street is dangerous, you see what happens to one of the guys when his head accidentally touches a post in the training. The floor also could have glass or other sharp objects on it. Worse of all, you are unlikely to be attacked by one person, so the 2^nd, person would finish you off whilst you are grappling (committed to) the 1^st.

You see in one part how 'limb destruction' immediately takes the power of out of punches. But in boxing this is not allowed, and in other sports it is not practiced. In correct execution, attacking muscles and joints would end a fight (rather than trying to kick or punch the head).

Punching someone in the head is extremely dangerous, pitting the most delicate bones in your body (fingers) against the hardest (skull) is not a good habit. lowering your head (forehead) at the point of attack can easily break an attackers hand. These kind of tricks are still used in bare knuckle and fighting.

It is better to know how to and practice (intention) attacking vulnerable areas on an attacker. But then getting in the correct position and range to deliver those blows is whole other ball game.

You also notice that there is much linear fighting - again this may work in the ring against one opponent, but it is difficult to have this habit against more than one or where blades are involved. Strong movement of the waist generates lots of power (without having to be muscular) and also prepares you for attacks from more angles, allowing momentum to continue attacks. This combined with agile and tactical footwork puts you in a better position.

You also see how the 'rush/surprise' in real life attacks differs from the testable atmosphere in the ring. All these and many other things, require additional skills to those gained in the ring (which like I said, can be used successfully to an extent 'by a skilled athlete') in order to have success on the street.

Another observation is that there seemed to be a lack of 'in-fighting' ability on both sides, with most just grabbing each other when they got close. You also see that in the training and fights in the end, everyone has to hold back somewhat - and you don't see many of the things being spoken about used in the fight - that is because you can't blind someone, crush their tranchea, attack their groin, break joints, destroy muscle etc.

There are now many rules in MMA, but even the original Vale Tudo and UFC had official rules i.e. no eye gouging, biting etc but there were also gentleman’s unofficial rules. Because at the end of the day, this was about demonstrating skills, rather than a platform for psychos to kill or maim each other.

The big lesson here is habit. We are animals of habit, whatever we practice is what will naturally be our instinctive response when in danger. If we practice sport i.e. rules, going to the ground, fighting one person, not fighting against weapons etc, then that becomes our habit. Getting hit with a blunt object or an edged weapon totally changes the game.

That is the main difference between sport and combat. I am in no way putting down MMA, Boxing, Muay Thai etc etc. I am in fact an avid fan of boxing. And I respect these fighters are greatly skilled and hard working athletes. At the top level, many of them would no doubt be very successful on the street. But we are talking about the majority. It is highly unlikely you are going to become Mohammed Ali if you learn to box. If you look at boxing today, there is a drought of talented fighters, especially in the heavier weights, with only a few amazing fighters across the board like Manny Pacquiao.

One needs to establish why they need to learn something before deciding what to learn. If you want to get fit, get strong, compete, win competitions, and learn something that will give you confidence and some ability on the street, then the fighting sports are great.

If you are simply interested in combat (survival on the street) then you need to look a little further.

hgsingh, kindly do not spoil this thread, only contribute if you have something in-depth or technical to add. We are already well aware of your maha-mantra.

[hgsingh]

Kajukembo is a great example of a modern martial art that took aspects from traditional martial arts that worked and why modern martial arts are more effective then traditional martial arts

Training and sparring is insane and that is the type of gym sikhs should look for cause look at how they spare

Their sparring is awesome

Khaalis what I think you fail to relize and I mentioned this before to is boxing muay thai and mma gym's do teach people about street self defence

Why do you think so many women take muay thai to learn self defence or boys from the ghetto who have to fight to survive every day join boxing gyms to learn to defend and fight on the streets

The tennis ball under the chin is actually from boxing cause boxers train to hide their chins and not let their chins be exposed when swinging

As well punching inside of the arms is really cool hitting soft spobut you don't see anyone using that technique while they spare cause its much easier to go for the head but its a great excercise to strengthen your arms

Now fighting dirty going for the groin bitting scratching hair pulling they teach that stuff in womens self defence classes in boxing mma muay thai gyms hahaha and isn't that hard to learn

Muay thai fighters and boxers are some of the best strikers in the world hence why even soldiers train in it and with how crazy their accuracy is when striking they have no problem kicking the groin and punching the throat cause a lot of their training is increasing the accuracy of were they strike

Now boxing trains you to avoid hitting the skull its actually boxers who best know how to use their skulls to absorb punches andtrain heavily in their accuracy when it comes to throwing punches and its in boxing were you learn to avoid hitting the skull and hitting the face when the opponent bends in his chin

You won't learn to be a top ten boxer in the world or muay thai fighter in 3 to 5 years but with how much muay thai and boxing focus on striking after 3 to 5 years of hard training in a boxing or muay thai gym you'll be ending street fights within seconds

Khaalis with some of the comments you made its clear you don't understand how boxers train or much about boxing

So please visit a boxing gym and watch how they train

And in a fight its much better you go for the face then inside of the arms cause if someone throws a punch at your head its easier to block the strike and counter it with a strike to their body or face then trying to strike insides of their arms hence why you see in the video when their sparring and fighting no one targets the insides of the arm

But khaalis you need to learn how boxers train but glad to see you understanding why modern martial arts are so effective compared to traditional martial arts cause Kajukembo is a great example of a martial art that took aspects from boxing and other traditional martial arts like karate and kung fu that work and left out the aspects that didn't work henc

[osteopath]

akaal muay thai in west london is a good club to try out. search for the club on google for more info