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No doubt Bidhi Chand Dal did try to protect the complex but your beloved Jathedar, where was he in 1984. If other Nihangs took part in the movement then it was in defiance of the orders of Santa Singh.

Be honest, do you really think that those Nihangs in Punjab will ever fight for the Panth? They are more of a liability and when the movement takes off again, they will revert to being the jholichuks and mukhbars of the government.

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Contemporary account has it that a single Bibi beat up the Nihang Jathedar and had to be restrained by the male Akalis

So you agree one bibi was there to beat Nihungs.And you will also agree that one bibi cann't break legs of Baba Sahib singh kaladhari.There were jathas of bibis used by jhabar.What a shame for him.

YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED ANY PROOF FROM 1920!

Are you so thick that you don't understand that a reference from 1846 does not mean the same thing was the case in 1920. Come on, if you can locate a reference from 1846, a time when there were a lot less books being written, surely you can get a reference from 1920 when there were dozens of newspapers and magazines being published.

You lie also. Read that thread from sikhawareness and you will find two proofs of western travellers confirmimg control of akal takhat by Nihungs.

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No doubt Bidhi Chand Dal did try to protect the complex but your beloved Jathedar, where was he in 1984. If other Nihangs took part in the movement then it was in defiance of the orders of Santa Singh.

Be honest, do you really think that those Nihangs in Punjab will ever fight for the Panth? They are more of a liability and when the movement takes off again, they will revert to being the jholichuks and mukhbars of the government.

That shows depth of your knowledge about Punjab and nihungs. Keep it in mind that these jathebandis are independents. Santa singh has no control over them. get some knowledge.

They scared goondas of congress stooge sarna when he brought those with darshan ragi. Do not you read darshan ragi appearnce at akal takhat .Or you are in sympathy with them. Who is behind propaganda against bani dasam pita. It is your Sarna and ragi propped by Congress regime. It were nihungs who were armed and were asking for darshan ragi to be handed over to them.

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I know Baba bidhi chand dal chief and in case you want info on nihung organizations i can provide you.But for heaven sake do not call them anti panthic because of skewed ideology. They are the real inheritrors of Guru Gobind singh ji who are safeguarding his bani and fighting for sikh interests.



That Bibi attacked the Nihang leader because the Nihangs had come to dislodge the Akalis from the Akal Takht. I don't know whether she broke his legs but there were plenty of ex-soldiers among the Akalis who would have been quite capable of breaking legs if required.

Your story is getting more and more ridiculous. You want us to believe that from being hunted down and having shoot on sight order in 1845 they Nihangs are in control of the Akal Takht in 1920! That ex-soldiers who had seen more violence and death and destruction that a Nihang could only imagine were so scared to confront the Nihangs that they sent a jatha of bibiyan to dislodge the Nihangs from the Akal Takht.

Akalis were not in control of akal takhat in 1920.It was akali nihungs in control. Come and see burj of akali Phoola singh at a stones distance from akal takhat where they their cantomment.get a life Do you know when SGPC took over.



Nihungs were the ones who did not lay arms after sikh defeat.They were disliked by British and many of them went to hazur sahib. But that does not mean they left akal takhat.It was always with them.

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Google has limitations and ground realities are different. Nihungs are all over Punjab in independent jathas.Why do you dislike them just because they lead a simple life and that does not fit your western mind set. Westerns go their cantonments and appreciate their living. You claim to be a sikh and yet hate them.

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So you agree one bibi was there to beat Nihungs.And you will also agree that one bibi cann't break legs of Baba Sahib singh kaladhari.There were jathas of bibis used by jhabar.What a shame for him.

You lie also. Read that thread from sikhawareness and you will find two proofs of western travellers confirmimg control of akal takhat by Nihungs.

All that anyone showed as reference close to 1920 was from a book in 1908 which said that Amritsar WAS their headquarters. Do you know the difference between IS and WAS?

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Gurdwara Harian Vailan, headquarters of Tarna Dal.

Tarna Dal, the army of the youth, was one of the two main divisions of Dal Khalsa, the confederated army of the Sikhs during the eighteenth century, the other one being the Buddha Dal (army of the elders). These Dals came into existence in 1734 when, during a truce with Zakariya Khan, the Mughal governor of the Punjab, different roving bands of the Sikhs were concentrated in Amritsar.
Etymology

"Meaning of Tarna Dal"

* Tarna/Taruna means "progressive", "young", "tender", "juvenile" or "new", "fresh", "just risen"
* Dal means "army"

So together "Tarna Dal" means: "Young Army" or "Fresh Army" or "Tender Army" or "Progressive Army"
Subdividions
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* 1 Etymology
* 2 Subdividions
* 3 Ending of the peace pact by Zakariya and consequences
* 4 Attacking Nadir Shah
* 5 The major re-organization of the Dal Khalsa
* 6 Misls dividing their territory after the conquest of Sirhind (Jan. 1764)
* 7 References

The Tarna Dal was subdivided into five Jathas or fighting groups of approximately 1300 to 2,000 men each, mostly mounted.

The first was commanded by Baba Deep Singh. Commonly known, after he met with a martyr's death, the Jatha began to be called the Shahidanwala Jatha (meaning: group of the martyrs).

The second, commanded by Bhai Karam Singh and Dharam Singh of Amritsar, came to be known as Amritsarian da Jatha (meaning: group of the Amritsarias).

The third led by Bhai Binod Singh and his son Baba Kahn Singh was called Sahibzadian da Jatha (meaning: group of the sahibzada’s) or GuruAnsi Jatha.

The fourth Jatha was commanded by Bhai Dasaundha Singh of Kot Buddha and the fifth was commanded by Bhai Bir Singh Ranghreta.

Both Buddha Dal and Tarna Dals accepted Nawab Kapur Singh as their overall commander. It was determined that while Buddha Dal remained at Amritsar to look after the shrines, Tarna Dal would be available for action where needed.
Ending of the peace pact by Zakariya and consequences
Sant Baba Nihal Singh the present Jathedar Of Tarna Dal

Zakariya Khan, however, ended the peace pact in 1735 and resumed his repressive policy against the Sikhs, so that both Dals had to abandon Amritsar seeking safety in distant hills and forests. Tarna Dal retired into the Shivalik hill states of Kahlur, Hindur and Sirmur which fell within the jurisdiction of Sirhind sarkar (government) in the suba (state) of Delhi. From there it launched out intermittantly to raid the territory of Manjh Rajputs of Jalandhar Doab a.k.a. Doaba. Once during 1736, on crossing into the Majha country, it defeated the gashtl fauj (roving army) sent from Lahore, and after pillaging the Riarki area (present district of Gurdaspur) went back to its hilly haunts.
Attacking Nadir Shah

During the summer of 1739, the Tarna Dal harassed and plundered the richly laden baggage train of the Persian invader Nadir Shah who, while returning home after a hearty plunder of Delhi and the Punjab, was keeping close to the hills with a view to avoiding the heat of the plains. The Sikhs followed the invaders up to Akhnur on the River Chenab where they rescued from their hands a large number of Hindu girls and safely restored them to their families.

This chivalrous act and their daring attacks on Nadir Shah, contrasting with the abject surrender of the rulers of Delhi and Lahore, endeared the Sikhs to the general populace. The two Dals now returned to the Punjab and began assembling at Amritsar on the occasions of Baisakhi and Divali (Bandi Chorr Diwas).
The major re-organization of the Dal Khalsa
Taruna Dal Singh doing Ishnaan at Moti Sarover, Harian Vailan

At the Sarbatt (literally "entire") Khalsa meeting on Baisakhi, 29 March 1748, a major reorganization of the Dal Khalsa was put in hand. The entire force was divided into 11 misls or divisions. Five of these misls were assigned to the Buddha Dal while the rest, six, formed the Tarna Dal.

The latter comprised the:

* Bhangi Misl or Bhuma Misl first led by Sardar Hari Singh Dhillon - (Strength - 20,000 regular horsemen)
* Nakai Misl, first led by Sardar Hira Singh Nakai Sandhu-(Strength - 7,000 regular horsemen)
* Ahluwalia Misl, under Sultan-ul-Qaum Jassa Singh Ramgarhia, as distinguished from his namesake Jassa Singh of the Ahluvalia clan, who was chosen as commander-in-chief of the Dal Khalsa as a whole. -(Strength - 6,000 regular horsemen)
* Ramgarhia Misl, first led by Sardar Nand Singh Sanghania and then by Jassa Singh Ramgarhia - (Strength - 5,000 regular horsemen)
* Kanhaiya Misl, first led by Sardar Jai Singh Kanhaiya Mann - (Strength - 5,000 regular horsemen)
* Sukerchakia Misl, under Sardar Charhat Singh (grandfather of Maharaja Ranjit Singh) -(Strength - 5,000 regular horsemen)

The Tarna Dal continued to participate in joint expeditions of the two Dals, but its specific sphere of operation lay to the north of the Rivers Sutlej and Beas.
Nihang Singh of Tarna Dal with his horse.
Misls dividing their territory after the conquest of Sirhind (Jan. 1764)

After the conquest of Sirhind in January 1764, the misls divided the territory among them and started adding to their respective domains. From among the Tarna Dal, only one sardar of the Bhangi misl, Rai Singh, had participated in the partition of Sirhind's territory. He had occupied 204 villages around Buria and Jagadhri. The remaining sardars of the Tarna Dal had their eyes fixed on the northern Doabs of the Punjab proper. The Bhangis controlled a major part of the city of Lahore and extended their hegemony over Multan and subsequently occupied Jhang, Khushab and Chiniot in the West and Sialkot and Gujrat in the east. The Kanhaiyas ruled over the area comprising a major part of the present Gurdaspur district and Mukerian tahsil of Hoshiarpur district. The territory of the Ramgarhias lay on both sides of the River Beas and included villages around Miani and Urmur Tanda in Jalandhar Doab. They also held sway over the hill states of Chamba, Nurpur, Jasvan and Haripur. In 1776, they were defeated by the combined forces of the Kanhaiya misl and Raja Sansar Chand Katoch of Kangra.

The Sukkarchakkia misl under Sardar Charhat Singh established itself around Gujranwala which they made their headquarters and extended their territory up to Rohtas beyond the River Jehlum; Charhat Singh's grandson, Maharaja Ranjit Singh (1780-1839) united the misls and was appointed the Maharaja of the entire Punjab from the Satluj to the Khaibar.

Headquaters: Gurdwara Harian Vailan
References

1. Gian Singh, Giani, Twarikh GURU Khalsa [Reprint]. PATIALA, 1970
2. Cunningham, J.D., A History of the Sikhs. London,1849
3. Forster, George, A Journey from Bengal to England. London, 1798
4. Narang, Gokul Chand, Transformation of SIKHISM. Lahore, 1912
5. Harbans Singh, The Heritage of the Sikhs. Delhi, 1983
6. Latif, Syad Muhammad, History of the Punjab [Reprint]. Delhi, 1964
7. Teja Singh and Ganda Singh, A Short History of the Sikhs. Bombay, 1950
8. Gupta, Hari Ram, History of the Sikhs, vol. II. Delhi, 1978
9. Gandhi, Surjit Singh, Struggle of the Sikhs for Sovereignty. Delhi, 1980
10. Bhangu, Ratan Singh, Prachin PANTH Prakash. Amritsar, 1

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AS everyone seems to be accusing each other of making up stories lets look at what the verifiable facts are here.

1. written accounts by British officials and travellers confirm the presence of around 500 Akalis (Nihangs) who served as guards (perehdars of Akal Takht) Travellers accounts also confirm the Nihang presence in Akal Takht whre they not Nihangs reading from their scriptures. Photographs also confirm that Nihangs were the perehdars at the Amritsar complex. Thus the authoritive presence of the Nihangs at Akal Takht is beyond any doubt.

2. As for the movement of Nihangs to Hazoor Sahib out of Punjab - this is verifiable by written accounts, oral accounts and standing monumnets such as Baba Prehlada Singhs shaheedi memorial.

3. As for the Akali LEhar consisting of great warriors etc etc, lets not forget a key leader who dominated the movement for years - a widely recognised ally of the British who caused great destruction within Sikh ideaology. Something you may wish to consider before making amole references to Sikh forces. Thus it would appear the leadership of the Singh Sabha was in the hand of the British, which is unfortunate as the movement largely consisting of good willing Sikhs.

4. Tony the so called contemporary account you have given varies significantly from another so called contemporary account widely propogated on AKJ websites about how their jatha 'kicked' the nihangs out of Akal Takht. They account, written by a member of the Jatha whose party attacked the Nihangs, suggests that It also clearly makes reference to women fighting at the front. Oh dear I think this means you will have to abandon the Singh Sabha consisted of warriors who would never let women fight for them. There were a lot of good Singhs in the Singh Sabha movement who gave a lot of Kurbani but as this highlights there was a more sinister element within also who themselves ackowledge

5. British accounts confirm their hatred for Nihangs and their desire to finish the Nihangs. A mention of the Nihangs features in most British military papers from Punjab -highlighting the scale of their resentment.

6. It is ridiculous to say Baba Sahib Singh Kaladhari was conspiring with anti Sikh British forces when he spent a long period of time in Nabha jail for his refusal to collaborate with the BRitish on any level. You can visit Nabha jail to verify this or speak to old members of Budha Dal or Bidhi Chand Dal whose family proudly served the Budha Dal while they were in jail. If you read the work of Giani Kirpal Singh he notes of various occasions when the British tried to bribe Baba Kaladhari to work in their favour - he reefused and went to jail. Bhasauria did all their dirty work and got made Jathedar of Akal Takht immediately after the Budha Dal was 'kicked out' of Akal Takht.


If people want to bring the Nihangs into a discussion they really should at least know the basics of their history. Regardless of the topic Tony like to state two things which he will retreat to when his views are challenged : 'Sanatanists' (whatever that means) make up stories and Baba Santa Singh sided with anti Sikh forces. Your begining to sound like a broken record. People should learn some facts related to the topic at hand before trying to tell others what did and didnt happen.


All that anyone showed as reference close to 1920 was from a book in 1908 which said that Amritsar WAS their headquarters. Do you know the difference between IS and WAS?

Burj akali phoola singh is still there to testify there presence at akal takhat.

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