Why Aren't All Sikhs Same?

[GuptDaas]

ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ॥

Maaroo Mehalaa 3 ||

मारू महला ३ ॥

Maaroo, Third Mehl:

1 ਪੰ. ੧੦

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ਮੇਰੈ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਸਾਚੈ ਇਕੁ ਖੇਲੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥

Maerai Prabh Saachai Eik Khael Rachaaeiaa ||

मेरै प्रभि साचै इकु खेलु रचाइआ ॥

My True Lord God has staged a play.

2 ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੫੬ ਪੰ. ੧੦

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ਕੋਇ ਨ ਕਿਸ ਹੀ ਜੇਹਾ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥

Koe N Kis Hee Jaehaa Oupaaeiaa ||

कोइ न किस ही जेहा उपाइआ ॥

He has created no one like anyone else.

3 ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੫੬ ਪੰ. ੧੧

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ਆਪੇ ਫਰਕੁ ਕਰੇ ਵੇਖਿ ਵਿਗਸੈ ਸਭਿ ਰਸ ਦੇਹੀ ਮਾਹਾ ਹੇ ॥੧॥

Aapae Farak Karae Vaekh Vigasai Sabh Ras Dhaehee Maahaa Hae ||1||

आपे फरकु करे वेखि विगसै सभि रस देही माहा हे ॥१॥

He made them different, and he gazes upon them with pleasure; he placed all the flavors in the body. ||1||

4 ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੫੬ ਪੰ. ੧੧

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Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ke Fateh

I absolutely love this post. True to the Guru's input to the veechara, and bhull chukk maaf but doesn't Maharaaj even say if not thinking capacity but plants have some life too. Apologies for incorrect opinion if im wrong.

Gurfateh

[luckysingh99]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ke Fateh

I absolutely love this post. True to the Guru's input to the veechara, and bhull chukk maaf but doesn't Maharaaj even say if not thinking capacity but plants have some life too. Apologies for incorrect opinion if im wrong.

Gurfateh

Is that in the shabad ? or am i looking at the wrong one.

Anyway, with plants........Yes, they have life too but it's the consciousness of humans that makes us different.

The plants may have a consciousness, but it's the awareness that makes us the doers to determine our future joons if not.

[sachasoorma]

Brothers and sisters.......

All sikhs are EXACTLY the same!!!!

When will this once great quom stop slapping itself and respect itself????

Charasi lakh jhoon........

Each and every individual on this planet all 6.3 billion of them has a one on one relationship Vahegroo. Some will recognise that and some wont in this lifetime.....

6.3 billion people at different stages of spiritual evolution.........

Our hukam is to be kind to our fellow humans and see Vahegroo in each and every one of them.

Please reevaluate your understanding of sikhi before you waste this particular jhoon. Maybe jhora seva for a couple of weeks might remind us that we know essentially NOTHING and comprehend even less.

[singhbj singh]

According to Gurbani, what is Jeeva and and what is not Jeeva?

As indicated in the Gurbani, there are four sources of creation or life: Andaj (ਅੰਡਜ: the egg-born), Jeraj (ਜੇਰਜ: foetus-born or born from the womb), Setaj (ਸੇਤਜ: the sweat-born), and Outabhuj (ਉਤਭੁਜ: the earth-born). The Gurbani call all these four Jantaa (“ਜੰਤਾ”), that is, beings or Jeeva. In other words, as indicated in the following verses, according to the Gurbani, the Lord’s “Joti” (Light…) dwells in all.

ਅੰਡਜ ਜੇਰਜ ਸੇਤਜ ਉਤਭੁਜ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਣੀ ॥: Andaj jeraj setaj outbhuj ghati ghati joti samaanee: (The Lord’s) Light fills all those born of eggs, born from the womb, born of sweat and born of the earth, each and every heart. (sggs 1109).

ਅੰਡਜ ਜੇਰਜ ਉਤਭੁਜ ਸੇਤਜ ਤੇਰੇ ਕੀਤੇ ਜੰਤਾ ॥: Andaj jeraj outbhuj setaj tere keete jantaa: (O Lord) The Jeeva born of eggs, born of the womb, born of the earth and born of sweat, all are created by You (sggs 596).

The Gurbani further asserts that each and every grain is a Jeeva as well. For example, if one sows a grain (seed), it will grow into a plant or a tree (ਉਤਭੁਜ-born from the earth).

ਜੇਤੇ ਦਾਣੇ ਅੰਨ ਕੇ ਜੀਆ ਬਾਝੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥: Jete daane ann ke jeeaa baajh n koi: As many as the grains of food, none is without Jeeva (i.e, life etc.). (sggs 472).

Thus, according to the Gurbani, all sources of creation on this earth are in fact Jeeva (beings, life…).

The implication is that if all sources of creation on this earth in fact are Jeeva (beings, life…), then, regardless of what we eat in this world throughout our lives, we will just be eating another Jeeva (beings, life…). That is, Jeeva eats Jeeva.

ਜੀਆ ਕਾ ਆਹਾਰੁ ਜੀਅ ਖਾਣਾ ਏਹੁ ਕਰੇਇ ॥: Jeeaa kaa aahaarr jeea khaanaa ehu karei: Jeeva are the food (diet) of Jeeva, this is what they eat (dine, live on…). (sggs 955).

Source - http://www.gurbani.org/gurblog/2012/04/15/jeeva-eats-jeeva/

[GuptDaas]

According to Gurbani, what is Jeeva and and what is not Jeeva?

As indicated in the Gurbani, there are four sources of creation or life: Andaj (ਅੰਡਜ: the egg-born), Jeraj (ਜੇਰਜ: foetus-born or born from the womb), Setaj (ਸੇਤਜ: the sweat-born), and Outabhuj (ਉਤਭੁਜ: the earth-born). The Gurbani call all these four Jantaa (“ਜੰਤਾ”), that is, beings or Jeeva. In other words, as indicated in the following verses, according to the Gurbani, the Lord’s “Joti” (Light…) dwells in all.

ਅੰਡਜ ਜੇਰਜ ਸੇਤਜ ਉਤਭੁਜ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਣੀ ॥: Andaj jeraj setaj outbhuj ghati ghati joti samaanee: (The Lord’s) Light fills all those born of eggs, born from the womb, born of sweat and born of the earth, each and every heart. (sggs 1109).

ਅੰਡਜ ਜੇਰਜ ਉਤਭੁਜ ਸੇਤਜ ਤੇਰੇ ਕੀਤੇ ਜੰਤਾ ॥: Andaj jeraj outbhuj setaj tere keete jantaa: (O Lord) The Jeeva born of eggs, born of the womb, born of the earth and born of sweat, all are created by You (sggs 596).

The Gurbani further asserts that each and every grain is a Jeeva as well. For example, if one sows a grain (seed), it will grow into a plant or a tree (ਉਤਭੁਜ-born from the earth).

ਜੇਤੇ ਦਾਣੇ ਅੰਨ ਕੇ ਜੀਆ ਬਾਝੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥: Jete daane ann ke jeeaa baajh n koi: As many as the grains of food, none is without Jeeva (i.e, life etc.). (sggs 472).

Thus, according to the Gurbani, all sources of creation on this earth are in fact Jeeva (beings, life…).

The implication is that if all sources of creation on this earth in fact are Jeeva (beings, life…), then, regardless of what we eat in this world throughout our lives, we will just be eating another Jeeva (beings, life…). That is, Jeeva eats Jeeva.

ਜੀਆ ਕਾ ਆਹਾਰੁ ਜੀਅ ਖਾਣਾ ਏਹੁ ਕਰੇਇ ॥: Jeeaa kaa aahaarr jeea khaanaa ehu karei: Jeeva are the food (diet) of Jeeva, this is what they eat (dine, live on…). (sggs 955).

Source - http://www.gurbani.org/gurblog/2012/04/15/jeeva-eats-jeeva/

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ke Fateh,

Very confusing concept ji. Maharaaj is saying we dine on other lives etc so is MAYBE? meat consumption is just as wrong as eating a bengan.

I try not to get into dietary debates other than whats in Maryada.

And does anyone have an example of "sweat born"? To explain its definition?

Bhull Chukk Maaf,

Gurfateh.

[chatanga]

And does anyone have an example of "sweat born"? To explain its definition?

sweat born is actually bacterial life.

Although there is a story where Hanuman in crossing over to Lanka to search for Mata Sita did wipe sweat from his brow and into the sea where it was swallowed by a sea creature with gave birth to a half hanuman half sea creature thing.

[scali]

Just like all members living in the same house each have different dreams every night. So we experience reality based on our own thoughts, hence the variation in experiences. In Quantum physics (science of spirituality) the observer affects the object. So you create reality based on your belief system.

[GuptDaas]

sweat born is actually bacterial life.

Although there is a story where Hanuman in crossing over to Lanka to search for Mata Sita did wipe sweat from his brow and into the sea where it was swallowed by a sea creature with gave birth to a half hanuman half sea creature thing.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ke Fateh,

ohh wow, maharaja went down to bacterial levels? His levels of All Knowingness are endless.

Thanks for replying

Gurfateh