Do We Need A Mediator To Understand Gurbani

[singhbj singh]

DO WE NEED A MEDIATOR TO UNDERSTAND GURBANI

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[harsharan000]

As per my personal experience even after 40 years of research in ruhaniyat, there is certainly a need of a mediator to understand Gurbani.

And that is because, the Bani of our Guru Sahibans is pure, is paviter, and as such, is expressed by higher level of Consciousness.

On the contrary, we are moorakhs, mugadhs, we are stone heartened... how can we ever understand it ?

Our minds are dirty, so we are manipulators, there is no way.....unless we are fortunate enough, to come in the sangat of a Gurmukh, a Sadh.... that is it.

The ambrosial Bani is full of praises of this type of Gurmukhs.

There is a faboulous Shabad which illustrates this affirmation:

Sun Sajjan preetam mereeya, meh Satgur devoh dikhaal.

Here, the sikh , the soul is praying to the Lord, by asking Him to make him meet with a Satguru, a Gurmukh... Let us pay attention to its depth, its beauty.... the soul is not asking Wahiguru to reveal Himself, so to have His darshan; but is rather asking Him, to make him meet with a Gurmukh.

We may be surprised, and ask why so?

Why not directly?

Well such is the path designed by Him.... nobody can go back to Him, without the mediator in the form of a Gurmukh, a Sadh.... a Brahamgyani, a Sant Jan ....

That is why also, the Bani says: Awar kaaj tere kitteh na kam, mil Sadh Sangat, bhaj kewal Nam.

The Bani says, nothing else is of your avail, leave everything aside, just take refuge, take shelter under a Gurmukh, get from Him the Gurparsad, and do its kamaee, or Nam Bhakti.

Christ also says: nobody can go unto the Father except through me. He who has seeth me, has seen the Father, for I and the Father are one.

Christ was a Gurmukh, and He also clears our doubts by saying, that nobody can go and meet Wahiguru just like that, but until He(Christ, Gurmukh, Sadh...) Himself opens the inner doors of the chambers of His Court, because Wahiguru has kept the key of His Chamber, in the hands of these Gurmukhs.

And so we may ask, what is this key?

Well the Bani says, it is the Gurparsad of Nam, which we saw in the above tuk: Mil sadh Sangat... for what?

Let us think... is it to have coffee and tea with them? Or to go to the cinema, or do wordly business, etc etc etc....

No none of these things, but to humbly go and spread our jholees, and get the Gurparsad from them... as the Bani says: jis vakhar ko laen toon ayaah, Ram Nam, Santan ghar paayaah...

I am quite consciouss, many may get offended and say all this is rubbish, but it is not their fault, as it is that what we have seen and heard since we were born...since some several hundred years back, so what the Bani really means, is something very different to what we perceive or the way we perceive.

No matter if one has done PHd or masters in Gurbanism or sikhism....this is not a worldly science...

Sikhism is the science of the soul and its creator Wahiguru, so naturally only a true Master, a Gurmukh can only make us understand what all true Gurmukhs have said, and stated in their Bani...

Gurmat is the language used by these higher souls .... and we are ignorants, maha moorakhs, blind...

The Bani says: main andhuley kee tek, tera Nam adhaar.

Means we are all blind, and unless we take the support of Nam, we can not move even an inch towards our goal Wahiguru.

No true Gurmukh comes to make any new dharam or religion. It is we stupid humans who have limited thier Bani, within the limits of our minds and by mixing it with politics and rituals, rites, idol worship, etc....

The goal of any Gurmukh, is only to make us merge in Wahiguru, irrespective of gender, caste, creed, dharam, mazab,social status, nothing of that sort which is related to the body, but they emphasize on only one thing: bhaj kewal Nam

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[jasvendrasingh]

i HUMBLY disagree with harsharan 000.,the Brahminicals in connivance with the ruling class (kshatriyas )conspired to keep the knowledge away from the ruling class .It has been evident from the tales of ramayana & mahabharata (shambook and the likes ) where the so called shudras were not tolerated for trying to attain moksha . it was said that it the people who are not considered fit for bhakti &moksha ( vaishyas & shudras)should not even listen to the gyan , and if found to be doing same their ears be filled with molten lead .

Our gurus very kindly made the same Gyan available to us in the language which could be understood by us all . Only we should spare some time to read & understand . For any shabad just start with the lines with Rahao (having central idea of the shabad )and try to understand the full shabad keeping the rahao tuk in mind , every thing becomes clear by trying one , two or three times .

[chatanga]

Our gurus very kindly made the same Gyan available to us in the language which could be understood by us all . Only we should spare some time to read & understand . For any shabad just start with the lines with Rahao (having central idea of the shabad )and try to understand the full shabad keeping the rahao tuk in mind , every thing becomes clear by trying one , two or three times .

very interesting bhaji, may i ask where you got this info from?

[harsharan000]

Dear brother Jasvendrasingh, first of all, you have the full right to disagree with me.

Now let us pause for a while, and see from the other side, have we ever asked ourselves, what is the purpose of the Bani, left by our Guru Sahibans?

Well, though the answer is very clear, it is a practical manual instruction, for God realization. It is not epic text books like Ramayana or Mahabharata, or Geeta, or Vedas or Bible, or Koran...just to name a few.

But, let us ask ourselves, sincerely..... how many of us do we follow what is said in the Bani? We may recite it like parrots all the 24 hours... we may know by heart each "tuk of the Bani, each and every single word written in it.... That is nothing great in it.

The thing is, forget the whole Bani, which could be asking much maybe, but if we had understood just the begining with the "mool mantra" , our lives had been going now in the direction of Akal Purukh, but alas, sorry, we are very much manmukhs yet.

We are very much entangled in those things which are bonds around our necks, and for which we are very much proud also, to the extent that we are ready to die and kill....

What for? None of them shall we carry with us there, neither shall we need them there. The only wealth, which we can take with us as per the Bani, is the wealth of Nam...but for that, nobody cares, and behaves, like they are going to stay here forever.

Sadhoos, babas, priests, devis, devtas also can not even understand the pure paviter Bani...had they understood by themselves, they would had gained freedom, and would had been with Akal Purukh by now.

You see, only they will understand, whom He wants to understand, because only they will then follow implicitly as Sat Bachan, the Bani.

They will love and adore the Bani, they will not care, for what the world, society or community will say by slandering them ....they will find all means to achieve what is said in the Bani.

The purity, the Truth, the bliss reffered in the Bani, is not gained just by mere reading, or even understanding, but by putting into action, what is written in it.

And in simple words, it says:"Ik Onkar, Satgur Parsad"

This is the essence of the whole of the Bani, the essence of the teachings of any true Gurmukh of any time, of any place.

As these Gurmukhs do not come to create any new religion nor dharam...for them Satnam is the only Truth, Satnam is the only religion, which is realized by His Gurparsad of Nam. This is Gurmat.

May Wahiguru bless us all with His daya meher, so that we may become fit, to understand and follow the Bani.

[jasvendrasingh]

Like you said,if you tead onlywithout understanding or following,listen to as many sants,read as many epics you like you are reaching nowhere,thete is nothing requires any comments then

[harsharan000]

Dear jasvendrasingh jee,

Well, it all depends on who likes, needs or does not mind comments. These type of comments, by themselves do no harm to anybody.

Each and everyone is free on taking it or not.

This is a free world. Nobody should force anything on anybody, nor expect even to be accepted by all ...this is what I have seen and learnt from life after a long interaction with the characterless human beings ...who do not even spare the mahapurukhs....

The thing is, as you say, that there is no need to comments if one does not reach anywhere by reading or listening to so many sants...

That is true, because mere words, mere intentions, do not take anyone anywhere, as long as you do not act upon what you hear and learn.

Just by saying food or listening water, water ....will not quench your hunger neither your thirst...until you yourself, do not eat that food from the plate, or drink the water from your glass ...and this applies not only with you, or me, but with each and every soul who wants transformation, who wants the realization of the divine.

It is practice of action that counts. It is practice of Nam that counts alone.

All our Guru Sahibans, and all the true Gurmukhs from all over, stressed on Nam bhakti alone.

Read the Bani from any Ang, from left to right, from up to down, or viceversa ..... it is only mahima of Nam that one finds.

And then let us look at ourselves, how many of us sincerely follow this Gurmat implicitly. I think "kotan meh kot", some "virley jeevas", some wadbhagee only....

The rest of us are bound with many, many other things .... It is not being discussed here, if they are good or bad, or necessary, or anything alike...

Only the base teachings of Gurmat are being highlighted, which is sole love and devotion at the Lotus Feet of Wahiguru Akal Purukh alone.

But as Wahiguru is Nirankara, how to please Him and manifest Him within us?

Well, for that the Bani says: Har Simran meh Prabh aap Nirankara. Means, in spite of Wahiguru being formless, colourless, He has hidden Himself in His simran.... Again the Bani says: Jin Har japeeya seh Har hoeeya, means, whosoever meditates on Him by his Simran, becomes Him.

You see, the Bani constantly repeats, that by doing the practice of His simran only, can we become Him. The Bani does not say, eat this, drink this, wear this, go here, do this so many times, read this , light this .....nothing of these things.....this is all man made, though these things have been presented to us in a subtle way as our very own sikh identity... we have thus been deluded, to the extent we do not reason and try to see any logic, but we even fight with those who do not act like us, we see them as strangers, as intruders, as enemies in our community.

On the other side, those who have supported and devloped all this paraphernalia, are taken as heros ...

This world is made like that... where the truth is taken as poison, and the poison is taken as amrit... This is not only within our own sikh community, but it has been happening from Aad Jugad with all the humans of any age, of any time, country or creed ...there is no cure for it.

Unless He Himself wants to make you believe in His Bani.

Millions of us read the Bani regularly with faith, and follow our traditions, but tell me, how many of us do understand what is written in it?

The Bani is so pure, so high, that even if one single Shabad of it, goes inside you, it is suffice to change one´s whole point of view, it is suffice to bring that change for betterment in oneself...because it is now when one is really walking towards Wahiguru.

It is not bad to remind each other, hey what are you doing here? Do not waste your time, your life...

Do something useful(Nam Simran) to return to our Father´s house.

He is awaiting with His arms wide open, for whosoever wants to return, by understanding and practicing what the Bani says...

And the Bani simply says: Saas saas simroh Gobind. You need not do anything else, apart from this spiritual practice of His Simran.

As all other things, will engage one in karmas, and they maybe good karmas even, but it is only His Simran, which frees us from all bondages.

Others are left, until they get tired and exhausted from this illusory creation .... where only pain, misery, falsehood or untruth prevails.

[N30S1NGH]

If you are attuned with your intuitive divine guidance consciousness/inner voice within (very rare to find) which guides you through in experience (during sehaj patt, gurbani vichar not conceptually or intellectually but actual gurbani contemplation in experience) then you don't need a mediator (its very rare) but if you are not then you need mediator which is meant to help to go introvert and explore gurbani within experience.

[luckysingh99]

Another inspiring post Harsharan jee ! :biggrin2:

My benti to all the young and upcoming sikhs is to please do naam simran and jap whatever you can even if it's just a few minutes a day.

Just like the fields can't flourish without water, we also can't flourish as spiritual risers and raise our consciousness without japping his name.

WaheGuru WaheGuru WaheGuru Waheguru WaheGuru WaheGuru

[luckysingh99]

If you are attuned with your intuitive divine guidance consciousness/inner voice within (very rare to find) which guides you through in experience (during sehaj patt, gurbani vichar not conceptually or intellectually but actual gurbani contemplation in experience) then you don't need a mediator (its very rare) but if you are not then you need mediator which is meant to help to go introvert and explore gurbani within experience.

Correctly stated !

I would just like to add that one may read and learn as much as possible by self analysis and contemplation and have some good level of knowledge. However, I believe that when one starts doing all practically and with contemplation of every breath, then for the majority there will come the necessity for association with the right Sangat and a guide that is usually someone who has progressed on the same path and has the gian from all varying angles.