Islamic Threat

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How do we combat the Islamic threat?

We see it happening on a daily basis in the news. Muslims form majority in an area of a country and then demand that it becomes a Muslim country.

Its happening in just about every country on the planet. Muslims know this is one way to make their religion more powerful and make other religions less powerful.

In these Islamic countries they make it difficult for non Muslims to practice their own religion by making laws that prohibit building places of other religions places of worship ect.,, while promoting their own religion with sharia law. And they don't do this through peaceful means. They are doing it through bombings and killings of innocent people. to topple governments and create Islamic countries.

Why should a country be only for one religion? the earth does not belong to one faith. yet Muslims want every country to become islamic. this way they keep their religion going. ie they make it compulsory to foll islam with government legislation ie sharia law.

Christians dont do this even though they form the majority in many countries ie all of Europe. plus other countries like south america.

in britian 1000's of white people convert to Islam every year. how are muslims converting whites? I dont see them knocking on doors like jehovahs witnesses.

if there were not islamic countries in existence would islam survive? i doubt it, the only reaon islam is doing so well in terms of practicing muslims is the fact they make it compuslary to follow islam through their governments policies. they ban education and other religions hence poeple are just brainwashed into following islam

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How do we combat the Islamic threat?

We see it happening on a daily basis in the news. Muslims form majority in an area of a country and then demand that it becomes a Muslim country.

Its happening in just about every country on the planet. Muslims know this is one way to make their religion more powerful and make other religions less powerful.

In these Islamic countries they make it difficult for non Muslims to practice their own religion by making laws that prohibit building places of other religions places of worship ect.,, while promoting their own religion with sharia law. And they don't do this through peaceful means. They are doing it through bombings and killings of innocent people. to topple governments and create Islamic countries.

Why should a country be only for one religion? the earth does not belong to one faith. yet Muslims want every country to become islamic. this way they keep their religion going. ie they make it compulsory to foll islam with government legislation ie sharia law.

Christians dont do this even though they form the majority in many countries ie all of Europe. plus other countries like south america.

in britian 1000's of white people convert to Islam every year. how are muslims converting whites? I dont see them knocking on doors like jehovahs witnesses.

if there were not islamic countries in existence would islam survive? i doubt it, the only reaon islam is doing so well in terms of practicing muslims is the fact they make it compuslary to follow islam through their governments policies. they ban education and other religions hence poeple are just brainwashed into following islam

The best way to deal with this issue is to ignore it and focus on our religion, many islamists are attention mongerers and will take a bad reputation over no reputation some muhammdens ridicule Sikhs for the lack of awareness Sikhs have and how that makes them superior to us. Truth is, it ain't about superiority but humility.

Muhammadens have been doing crazy things for a long time, but the news ignored it for a very long time. We now see muhammdens launching propaganda saying how they were peaceful invented science, made the west with the golden age yet we should all have shariah on us and then to launch propaganda on the real news to either call it false/fabricated or claim it's a minority or another sect doing it. While ignoring how muhammdens made the slave trade flourish, raped many women in grand harems made from the stolen money of the poor through taxation of jizya, burnt down libraries of many great nations, destroyed many great universities of many great nations and massacred many innocent people in the name of muhammad. For us to speak the truth, give references to many great historians who saw the destruction and even give eye witness accounts of the same savage behaviour today makes us haters.

Many of us are aware that Muhammden countries are corrupt by political social fascism, however they feel convicted that everyone else is wrong and no one should preach anything else since it might put a dent on the state. However muhammden societies are getting progressive in teaching other religions through skewed manners in their mosques, they are opening their doors with the intent of converting others. Muhammad himself took advantage of the generosity of christians, jews and pagans hence setting the example it is okay for religious freedom to be a one way streak although it is mixed into the times when muhammad and his men weren't armed due to the smaller numbers he had in his early days making him more tolerant.

I think we got to realise when we see this beast of haughty arrogance and zealous biggotry which destroys humanity we need to avoid turning into the beast ourselves, so that we don't return the same evil with the evil we get. Muhammadens strike tolerant tones when it comes to martial conversion of women yet harder and harsher intolerant tones to non believing men. Many muhammadens have actually hooked onto the idea that muhammdenism is a continum of christianity hence following similar philosophy or the same with other religions, some believe other religions such as Sikhi thrived due to muhammden philosophy hence they borrow Sikh philosophy as their own- I remember watching a pakistani movie where the character said muhammad had taught give 10% in charity and he gave it, truth is muhammad never taught that, it was Guru Nanak who did. Some muhammadens have derived their own understandings of muhammdenism aswell which is wishy washy but the clergy is firm on the shariah regardless of how horrible societies became in the past for many they feel it was poor implemented and could be bettered, yet with every reformation attempt for the last 1000+ years it's only brought dark ages. The islamic golden period was actually more of a time when islam was dying out for other philosophies.

Muhammadens feel everyone should be the same religion so that there would be real world peace, they derive the meaning of islam to mean the attainment of peace which many neglect to inform involves with the use of violent means if necessary which some justify as acts of self defence. Other muhammdens feel there would be no problem of inter marriage, no disputes over religious ideologies all one nation under muhammad. Many muhammadens believe muhammadenism is the only truly viable cure to racism, some feel it was muhammdenism that abolished slavery in the west and brought up the status of black african heritage people in times when it was lowered even though muhammad sold slaves himself aswell as keeping them, muhammad sold black slaves for half the price of white slaves, muhammad called a black king a man with a raisin head. The anti racism propaganda of muhammdenism is what sparked the american reconversion of many african-american muslims such as muhammad ali, malcolm x, shaquille o'neil, busta rhymes, michael jackson (and his family), mike tyson etc. with a whole long list of african-american celebrities.

This whole thing about muhammdenism growing fast is mainly a lie, there is a high rate of immigration and children from muhammdenism but they are still a minority and the rate of growth thing neglects the fact people live longer now. Muhammdens breading into cousins is actually causing a higher number of diseases among muhammadens aswell. Besides it ain't a number game, it took one person to convince the world that the earth was round and not flat. Sikhs ruled an empire and won the respect of some elite muhammdens being only 6% of the population ruling over pathans themselves, Sikhs conquered afghanistan something some of the greatest empires in the world could not do and can't do today. Pathans were feared by many middle easterners and were utilised to win many battles, the reputation of the pathans was recorded in dasam granth and Sikhs beat them on the battle field and in witts. Pakistan provoked and started 3 wars with India and as a result of the Sikhs in the army of India, Pakistan has lost every war they ever started brutally.

Christians have had their bad side there was the dark ages, witch hunts, imperialism, slave trade, apartheid, inquisition, the slaughter of Aboriginals Australians, red Indians and many other genocides. Much of the renaissance it seems sparked out of men who challenged the authority of the church and were in some ways anti-christian, it seems the catholic church is beginning to see the toll it is having and claiming science came out of Christianity.

I think we should take those history lessons not to slander faiths but to realise how easy it is to end up in the dark ages and how difficult it can be to sail up to a renaissance. For many of us we see our renaissance period under Maharaja Ranjit Singh when the names of Sikhs thrived. But I think we haven't peaked yet at our renaissance moment we have much more to give to the world.

I personally haven't met any white person who has ever converted to muhammdenism, most white blokes we encounter seem to think we are muslims and instead of greeting us with gratitude for a faith they wish to embrace they seem to have instant dislike for all the crazy things muhammdenism is bringing to the table. Some white converts are of a lower IQ range easily fooled into small sales pitches based on propaganda of either fabricated science or false prophecies or logic with fallacies. Some muhammadens are setting up stalls around various town centres, some near bus stops, train stations, book shops giving out leaflets, dvds, debating some are parading around are starting to be far more annoying then jehovah witnesses are.

Forgot to mention some white people convert out of either or both the urge to do spiritual (religion) shopping [where by the convert to many religions and don't stick to one] or some white people convert out of white man's guilt; white man's guilt is a term to describe the guilt for all the nasty stuff white people have done in the past and to other groups. There are some people who only consider there to be 2 main religions in the world Christianity and muhammadenism, some come to the end result it's bogus and see their conversion as a means to either melt down muhammdenism to the point Christianity is or just to make up for all the bad stuff white people may have done like imperialism India and destroying the ruling elite class of muhammdens. You got to realise 70% of the muhammaden population in the Uk are pakistani's many of which held a grudge over imperialism. Both examples aren't real conversions it's fake, besides most white people are turning to atheism, it's a demographic which is growing extremely fast and muhammadenism is acting as a catalyst of atheism. It's difficult to remind people of the dark ages but a good look at the middle east turns people into disbelieving in religion aswell.

I think Muhammdenism would survive without shariah law, it lives under secular rules in several countries, it started off in the early periods without shariah- as long as there is xenophobia (irrational fear of foreignness [the unknown]) and dislike to muhammadens it will be difficult to intergate them into other social circles so being pushed together they will feel their practice of muhammdenism will be an act of rebellion. If the majority of people in pakistan don't want pakistan and want to be a part of india it would happen, a state is driven by the thinking of the people. Right now in some kind of sadomasochistic manner muhammdens want shariah, they feel the harsh punishments are put into practice and are hard to prove crimes but the mere fear of a heavy punishment keeps higher rates of civility. Right now muhammaden lands record fake statistic of crime or have none or kill criminals producing skewed interpretations into the minds of some. People are dispositioned into muhammdenism just like many other people are to their own life style or religious beliefs hence why most people remain in the religion they were born into.

Another feature of muhammden is the command of muhammad recorded by him in the koran when he poses as allah he tells his followers to strike fear into the disbelievers, so don't believe all the false muhammaden hype. Guru Nanak gave hukam to sikhs not to spread fear as a true spiritual person is a peace maker and spreads grace. Muhammad taught god hates sinners who don't follow the shariah/law of muhammad and hates non believers, the true Guru, Guru Nanak dev ji said God is nirvair, God hates no one and god is love. Muhammad taught god smites, god punishes, god curses. Guru Nanak taught God is daata, he is the grand giver, the great redeemer, the one who destroys curses, the one who removes all diseases, the one who blesses and gives (doesn't take). Muhammad taught many blind ritual like stepping out a door with one foot shouting out ramblings guru ji taught us that just do ardas and carry on with life with our honest work and prayer. Muhammad taught the devil lives in our anus, urinates in our ears, lives on our moustache, lives in our nose and can destroy prayers [seems muhammad's god is weak to the devil which lives in muhammad's and muhammdens anus]. Guru ji taught us we are under illusion but god is within us and listens to us. When muhammad had his first religious experience he ran away in fear after seeing a celestial being which by his reaction seems to have been the devil having lived in a cave for a long time, he ran away and hid under his wifes legs his wife convinced him it was gabriel the angel of the christians. Guru Nanak after having his first main revelation through spiritual revelation radiated and spoke words of peace, the very words weren't of fear but of joy which plucked the strings of many hearts. When muhammad left the earth having been poisoned either by his wife or concubine he demanded an all out war to conquer under his banner, when guru nanak left his earthly body for heavenly abode his words were of peace for the unity of all of humanity. It is said muhammad became cursed for several years by the possession of a demon put onto him by a mere jewish women, it seems muhammad was actually experiencing advanced signs of his schizophrenia. Guru Nanak blessed many people, broke curses and was unaffected by the rambling curses that people tried to put on him in test of his spiritual power. The land which Guru Nanak was born on is still fertile till today, the land of muhammad is a cursed wretched desert with arsenic water and mercury filled mountains which both lead to cancer. A few muhammadens pray for the destruction of the wellfare of non believers and the upliftment of muhammdenism, guru ji gave the hukam to Sikhs to pray for the wellfare of everyone and in that we will be blessed.

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in britian 1000's of white people convert to Islam every year. how are muslims converting whites? I dont see them knocking on doors like jehovahs witnesses.

Most of this is Muslim propaganda from the internet and which is then picked up or spoon fed to lazy journalists who the write stories about converts which gives the impression that Islam is growing among the white population.

Recently the 2011 census results on religion were released for England and Wales. These show that the number of white Muslims in 210,620. Although this number appears large but you have to take into account that there are tens of thousands Turks and Kosovans and Albanians in the UK who classify themselves as white.. The real figure for white converts is shown by those Muslims who classify themselves as White British, White Irish and White Irish Traveler who in 2001 were 64,797 and increased to 79,564 in 2011. Hardly a massive increase given all the Muslim dawa both on the internet and on the streets. Add to this the constant barrage of propaganda from the media and government about how great and peaceful Islam is!

For the Sikh figures those classed as white showed a slight decrease from 7,509 in 2001 to 7,460 in 2011. The fact that there are 7,460 white Sikhs in the UK when there is no active parchar shows that there is a great potential if we start to do active parchar among the white community. Incidentally the number of Pakistani Sikhs went from 382 in 2001 to 3,283 in 2011. Although this figure might be boosted by the migration of some Afghani Sikhs who have Pakistani passports but still it shows Sikhism is growing among the Pakistan community as well. Among Bangladeshis there are 672 Sikhs in 2011 up from 116 in 2001, Chinese Sikhs were 1,019 in 2011 up from 88 in 2001. Black African/Caribbean Sikhs were 1,431 in 2011 up from 633 in 2001.

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Username, You raised some good points.

I think we as Sikhs need to side and support with people and countries who are for freedom of religion such as most western countries. In these countries Sikhs, like all religions have the freedom to practice our religion. Hence it is in our interest to try and do something about radical Islam and not just sit idle and let it happen. Be it in India or the UK. if this religion was to start to dominate then that would be an end to our religious freedom.They may even start imposing tax on us ie Jizya

I'm pretty sure most white British people are aware about what Islam stands for. I think we should support politicians that know about Muslims true colors.

We could support groups who are against the islamification of the UK. It may sound drastic but we all know what it was like to live under the mughals in India and how Sikhs suffered.

Its not because i have a personal grudge against Muslims. Its for the sake of every religions freedom. If Muslims had it their way we would all be living under sharia law.

[Big_Tera]

Most of this is Muslim propaganda from the internet and which is then picked up or spoon fed to lazy journalists who the write stories about converts which gives the impression that Islam is growing among the white population.

Recently the 2011 census results on religion were released for England and Wales. These show that the number of white Muslims in 210,620. Although this number appears large but you have to take into account that there are tens of thousands Turks and Kosovans and Albanians in the UK who classify themselves as white.. The real figure for white converts is shown by those Muslims who classify themselves as White British, White Irish and White Irish Traveler who in 2001 were 64,797 and increased to 79,564 in 2011. Hardly a massive increase given all the Muslim dawa both on the internet and on the streets. Add to this the constant barrage of propaganda from the media and government about how great and peaceful Islam is!

For the Sikh figures those classed as white showed a slight decrease from 7,509 in 2001 to 7,460 in 2011. The fact that there are 7,460 white Sikhs in the UK when there is no active parchar shows that there is a great potential if we start to do active parchar among the white community. Incidentally the number of Pakistani Sikhs went from 382 in 2001 to 3,283 in 2011. Although this figure might be boosted by the migration of some Afghani Sikhs who have Pakistani passports but still it shows Sikhism is growing among the Pakistan community as well. Among Bangladeshis there are 672 Sikhs in 2011 up from 116 in 2001, Chinese Sikhs were 1,019 in 2011 up from 88 in 2001. Black African/Caribbean Sikhs were 1,431 in 2011 up from 633 in 2001.

Thats interesting I never looked at it that way. I guess Muslims have been over exaggerating as usual with the figures.