How Would You Respond To Such A Post From An India Loving 'sikh'

[panthicunity]

Anonymous writer. We must respect our country and hv to respect beliefs of majority. Saanu iss gall daa fakhr taan hunda hai ki other religions de lok Gurdwara sahib aa k paath karde te sunde hann. Oh picture msg mere kol jyada nahi taan 15-20 vaar aaeya hovega jis vich ik Muslim Gurdwara sahib vich paath kar reha hai. Par je assi kise Sikh nu other than Gurdwara sahib kitte hor dekh layiye taan uss nu jaano maaran tak jaande haan. Religious kattarta v ikk tarah Di hinsaa hi hai. Koi teohar aaye doosre religion daa assi uchchi uchchi hoka den lagde haan ki eh sab bakwaas hai. Theek hai gurmat Di roshni ch saade layi ehna teohara di koi importance naa hove par dusreyan daa mazaak udaan daa v saanu koi haq nahi. Assi gurbaani diyan baaki hor saarian gallan taan bahut mande haan jiven.
Alag raaj di gall karn waale eh sochan ki Punjab ch assi ki haasil keeta hai. SGPC jis vich keshdhaari Sikh voter hunde ne vich kinne k vadhia numaaende pahunch gaye. Saanu Akali dal v apna dushman lagda hai, kirpaan de size nu lai k rola paan waleyan nu v assi nakaar ditta, Congress taan saanu shuru ton hi dushman nazar aaundi rahi hai, jan sanghi Hindu rashtarwadi lagde ne, Mulayam v saada dushman hai. Kidhre saadi aapni soch hi taan saadi dushman nahi ?
Maaf karna je kite alag Sikh raaj ban gaya taan aaps ch hi larh maraange.
Saathiyo independence day bahut vadda Din hunda hai kise v country layi. Kaale jhande laga ke ki assi desh prati gadaari nahi show kar rahe? Kinne Sikhaan ne azaadi layi qurbaanian keetian. Par ki esse vaaste. Je USA apne citizens di respect karda hai taan usde citizens v desh diyaan traditions di kadr karde hann; Independence day te kaale jhande nahi lagaaunde.

Let us b true citizens of the country. Let us celebrate independence day and other festivities with rest of our brothers. Jis desh ch minorities nu independence day nu kaala din kehan di azaadi hai oh desh Sahi maayane ch azaad hai.
M proud to b an Indian. I shall celebrate independence day like all others. I shall respect festivals like Raakhi, karva chauth, dussehra coz I hv no right ki dusre religions daa mazaak udaavan.
Coz I know koi ode neel koi suped.... Kaho Nanak jin hukum pachhaata prabh saheb kaa tin bhed jaata. And ..... Mere AndSaaha main har darshan sukh.... Jhootha kisko aakhiye mere sahaa.....

[Mehtab Singh]

This guy is misled to believe that Sikhs who don't consider themselves Indian do so because they hate Hindus. Ignore him.

[Mehtab Singh]

You have a problem with those facts?

Let him join this forum then. I will show him my analysis hoping he wakes up. As of now its all pasted material from third party.

[panthicunity]

My response veerji sunder vicharan aap ne sanjheya keetya

Eh post sikhi noo ek vichardhara na mandya hoya balki ek firka ja kabila mandiaa likhi jaapdi hai. Gurmat ek philosophy hai koi kabeela ya firka nahin.

"Na hum Hindu na musalmaan " da arth eh nahi kee asi ki apna alag firka bana laya - esda arth hai asi duniavi dharma to utte uth chuke han.

Sikhi koi bhes vee nahi , nahi janam to mildi hai - eh ta soch hai jeri dharan karni paindi hai jeeven communist de ghar paida hon vala appe he communist nee ho janda.

"Religious kattarta v ikk tarah Di hinsaa hi hai"

sacha sikh kattar nahi sikh ta paripakv hai because je oh sikh dee paribhasha hi hai jo SGGS noo parna te zindgi chi utarda hai - fer oh parega "na ko bairi nahi begaana sagal sang humko ban ayee " - ta usnu sari rehnumayi nal hor vee muhabbat ho jayegi.

" Theek hai gurmat Di roshni ch saade layi ehna teohara di koi importance naa hove par dusreyan daa mazaak udaan daa v saanu koi haq nahi."

Je daas di kise post nal dusrayan da mazak udaya hove taan das khima da jaachak hai - eh sikh intellectuals group hai te isda maqsad sikha nu suchet karna hai -

Rakhri te karva chauth sirf tyohar nahi han - oh istri zaat de kamzor status noo reinforce karde han - jeri istri kamzor hai oo apne maa pyo dee ki dekhbhall karegi -es kamjor nu pati de ghar bhjean layi daaj ve dena chaida , te kyoki eh liability hai is no janam ton pehla mar dena vi theek hai.

Aap jee es bare kee kahoge ki "Chorre Ann kare pakhand na oh sugan no oh rann" - eh lines farid jee ne hindua da mazaak uran ya dil dukhaan layi lekhyana - nahi ona eh gallan unan ruha nu suchet karan layi lekheyan jeriya bekar de reet rivazan ch apna janam guvadiyan han.

Sara asa di vaar brahmna di nikhedi karda hai - ki guru nanak patshah noo fer eh nahi likhna chahida see ?

Nal SGGS vich lines sirf ek hindua te hee nahi balki sabna dharma deeya fezul gallan te likhiya gaya jive - following verses on Islamic practise of circumcision

Jo Khuda Tubb Sunnat Karat, To Aap Kati Kin Aayi.

Jo Tum Turk Turkni Jaya, Pait Mein Sunnat Kyun Na Karaya.

Alag sikh raaj vaali gal te das puri tarha sahmat hai - jado tak appan khalis nee hunde khalistan ha koi sawaal hee nahi - aj je apna mulk ban vee gaya ta badal varga zahreela ansar dictator ban kee bai jaige.

"Aatam ras je janhi , so hai khalis dev"

Kinne Sikhaan ne azaadi layi qurbaanian keetian

Asee sare freedom fighters (regardless of their religion ) izzat karde han - par ohna ne us mulk layi kurbaneya nahi detya jis vich upper te middle class mil ke lower class noo raunde ya jado marzi dangeya de naam te minorities (1984 - sikhs/ 2002 - muslims) nu police te rajnete mil ke maar dain.

Kee Aj 2014 de hindustan ch guarantee hai ke dubara minority ghallughara nahi hovega - aj takan sadi police politicians de thalle hai (duniaya de kise developed mulk ch eh eh nahi )

Duji gal sadi society te schooling character building nahi kardi -

Jaliawala bagh ch ordering officer jarror british see par har goli chalan wala jawaan hindustani see - ehi soch karke kise police officer ne apni service revolver nal sikhan nu ya muslims noo

Deshbhakti dee pehli gal ta ruhani dunia ch koi tha nahi - jado asi spiritual han te eh hindustani/pakistani/khalistani sab fizoo deya gallan lagdeyan han (sari kudrat naal sada pyar hai) .... nal eh mulk ta baree asthayi cheez hai - USSR kithe hai aj ...hindustan deeya apdia sarhada badaldeeya rehandia.

". Je USA apne citizens di respect karda hai taan usde citizens v desh diyaan traditions di kadr karde hann;"

Kee USA vich 9/11 to bad minorities de khilaf dange hoye jina ch police nee katilan da saath dita - ek gora jado gurdware ch firing kar rehya see ta ek gore officer nu aap goliya kha ke raakhi keeti.

Hindustan ch ek nihathe jaspal singh (18 saala ma pyo da kalla put) noo police ne Shiv sena de uksaan te goli maar ti.

Kale jhande sirf sikh nahi launde - kurda ch iraq ch bara zulm hoya - je oh iraq de national festivals ch shirkat nahi karde ta ki galat hai ? Ki je tuhade pitaji ya veer nu 1984 ch tyre pa ke sar dita janda - ya oh darbar sahib matha tekan gaye honde june ch te mar dita janda (97% shaheedi sangat dee hoyi )., ya torture kar ke sari umar layi apahiz kar dita hunda , ya 2002 ch muslim hon karan mar ta janda , tusi taan if ahi post likhde.

Asi Insaani haqa dee vi gal karde han - punjab da third degree torture shayad ap jee nu bhul geya. Je koi poliotician os athah zulm to sabak lai torture khatam kar dave ta jere bihari aj enni buri tarah thaneya ch kutte jande ( sifarish ya paisa na hon kar ke ) - ta oh sar bach jaande -. Ek bihari kalle put no chandigarh dee police ne kut kut e apahi kar ta see ...jado das chandigarh ch see.

3 people die in indian jails in custody every day.

Deshbhakat oh hai ke jera meethaiyan vande te bhangre pave 15 august te ya oh hai jera desh de bashindya layi changa badlav lyan dee gal kare ?

Har rishta do tarfa hunda hai - tusi kale jhandeya de gal kiti - je bacha nashe karan lag je te ma pyo kehan ki asi gal nahi karni jado tak nashe chad-da nahi - issi tarah sikh ya muslim je hindustani azaad nu manaun ch gurez karan jado tak insaaf nahi milda ta ki galat hai. Je assi sab kuj bhul javange ta politicians nu hor vee hulara milega kee fer katleaam karo - ena moorkha ne aap hi kahna kuj saal baad ki bhul jo .

Je asi apne satwant singh , beant singh (jinna nu hindstant terrorist kehnda) varge yodya noo salaahde dan ek gal socho - una de balidan te bahaduri karan politician hun kise dharmki thaa te jithe bekasoor sangat hove to pehla changi tera sochange. Last wish of the assasins was all their organs be donated - even in their death they saught life for others.

SGPC de member sikh chad kee insaan vi nahin - oh ta golak chor han te ona da sikh naujwani de katal vich bara vatha hai.

Sade varga criticism Arundhati roy da vee kita janga - kyonki oh Naxaliya de haq layi khari hoyee - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=795163133833615

[Jonny101]

India's "independence" day celebrating Sikhs are basically just Giani Zial Singh type Sikhs. They will see their own people being murdered, their Darbar Sahib attacked killing thousands, then anti Sikh riots occure(no justice to this day!), still they will pretend as if nothing has happened while hanging their head low they will say "Jai Bharat Mata Ki". Such Sikhs have lost all sense of Ghairat in them because they have become toadies of Delhi Hakoomat. It's one thing if a Sikh does not understand the issues, the the guy who wrote the original article seems to understand but has become a choli chuk.

[13Mirch]

The Gurus raised us above the dogmatic distinctions of religion and nationalism. It is a shame to see that many Sikhs still follow what their own founding father's taught against.

[Jonny101]

When exactly ? These 'dogmatic' ideals of religion and nationlism. When exactly did that become un-Sikh ?

We spent thousands of years seperate from India as part of Persia. Then the Moghuls came and made us part of India. We overthrew the Moghuls and again upheld the natural order by being completely 100% seperate from India as a sovereign nation, Then the British came and put us with India. And then the British said goodbye but they were ever so English enough to ask us what we wanted, promising us to grant our wish (i.e the future of Punjab). The nation to be built in our homeland made overtues to us. Jinnah, made a speech in which he promised us Sikhs an independant Punjab with full rights to the Khalsa, Hindus got worried, So, in 1946 Nehru stood up at the All India Congress, in Calcuttta, and made a public declaration that should the Sikhs of Punjab choose India they (we) will be granted a semi-autonomous nation in the same vein as the Khalsa Kingdom that existed before Nehru's enemies (the British) came and made it otherwise.

And so here were are. 2014 and it sums up we Sikhs completely. It sums up why Bollywood and Indian drama serials portray us as idiots. This thread shows one Sikh not knowing his left hand from his right and another with an avatar of a babbar sher of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji but yet describing the fight as 'dogma'. Oh dear.

There is no independence for the Sikhs atleast not in the true sense. In 1947 we basically replaced the Gora masters of UK for the Kala masters of UP/Bihar. Sikh Qaum is still Ghulam

[JSinghnz]

When exactly ? These 'dogmatic' ideals of religion and nationlism. When exactly did that become un-Sikh ?

We spent thousands of years seperate from India as part of Persia. Then the Moghuls came and made us part of India. We overthrew the Moghuls and again upheld the natural order by being completely 100% seperate from India as a sovereign nation, Then the British came and put us with India. And then the British said goodbye but they were ever so English enough to ask us what we wanted, promising us to grant our wish (i.e the future of Punjab). The nation to be built in our homeland made overtues to us. Jinnah, made a speech in which he promised us Sikhs an independant Punjab with full rights to the Khalsa, Hindus got worried, So, in 1946 Nehru stood up at the All India Congress, in Calcuttta, and made a public declaration that should the Sikhs of Punjab choose India they (we) will be granted a semi-autonomous nation in the same vein as the Khalsa Kingdom that existed before Nehru's enemies (the British) came and made it otherwise.

And so here were are. 2014 and it sums up we Sikhs completely. It sums up why Bollywood and Indian drama serials portray us as idiots. This thread shows one Sikh not knowing his left hand from his right and another with an avatar of a babbar sher of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji but yet describing the fight as 'dogma'. Oh dear.

Only a naive person would have got sucked into promise by Jinnah. Sikhs are well aware of Muslims' promises in their history of how good they are at keeping them.

The English who sucked our blood and used us as cannon fodder were responsible for the 1947 carnage.

[13Mirch]

When exactly ? These 'dogmatic' ideals of religion and nationlism. When exactly did that become un-Sikh ?

We spent thousands of years seperate from India as part of Persia. Then the Moghuls came and made us part of India. We overthrew the Moghuls and again upheld the natural order by being completely 100% seperate from India as a sovereign nation, Then the British came and put us with India. And then the British said goodbye but they were ever so English enough to ask us what we wanted, promising us to grant our wish (i.e the future of Punjab). The nation to be built in our homeland made overtues to us. Jinnah, made a speech in which he promised us Sikhs an independant Punjab with full rights to the Khalsa, Hindus got worried, So, in 1946 Nehru stood up at the All India Congress, in Calcuttta, and made a public declaration that should the Sikhs of Punjab choose India they (we) will be granted a semi-autonomous nation in the same vein as the Khalsa Kingdom that existed before Nehru's enemies (the British) came and made it otherwise.

And so here were are. 2014 and it sums up we Sikhs completely. It sums up why Bollywood and Indian drama serials portray us as idiots. This thread shows one Sikh not knowing his left hand from his right and another with an avatar of a babbar sher of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji but yet describing the fight as 'dogma'. Oh dear.

You could have asked for a clarification before becoming bellicose but nonetheless because you are so laudably blind Is shall answer you. I am criticizing the Hindu notion of making nationalism into an ubiquitous and passionately religious dogman, Per se. And secondly I don't believe that the Khalsa can be reduced to one nation, whether it's own or another's, alone. Maybe the fact that we attack before we summarize is the true reason why we are portrayed as idiots other than the convenient veil which you so aptly provided?

[JSinghnz]

You could have asked for a clarification before becoming bellicose but nonetheless because you are so laudably blind Is shall answer you. I am criticizing the Hindu notion of making nationalism into an ubiquitous and passionately religious dogman, Per se. And secondly I don't believe that the Khalsa can be reduced to one nation, whether it's own or another's, alone. Maybe the fact that we attack before we summarize is the true reason why we are portrayed as idiots other than the convenient veil which you so aptly provided?

You are more than welcome to potray yourself as an "<banned word filter activated>" but do not bring your true "idiotic" views of on our forum.as shown in bold above.