Help Needed For Paath- Please Someone Help.

[khalsawarrior47 1]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

I've recently been listeneing to the shri sukhmani sahib, for the past couple of weeks but I feel as though listening to the paath may not be the best option to get the full effects of the paath - is that in anyway true.

I currently not able to read or understand gurmukhi being spoken, however I am able to read through translation - is it ok for me to read it in English, or is it a nrssacity to read it in gurmukhi to feel it's full effect.

I'm pondering over this question because before my result day I listened to the sukhmani sahib paath, for happeniness not just for result day(which didn't go to well) but also for my wishes and desires to be fulfilled, I'm very muchc dedicated to sikhi, naam jap, and listening to paath, however lately everything seems to be going dull, I'm becoming frustrated and seem to be getting no satisfaction out of life - which may mean I must be doing the sukhmani paath incorrectly - I've also briefly spoken to a gyani who said that waheguru ji doesn't give us what we desire because there's a weakness inside- could the weakness be that I'm just listening to the paath and not reciting it in gurmuhki or English?

On a personal note I'm trying to over come kaam and krodh - but I've recently fallen to theses vices due to frustration of life being unsatisfying, and I know that by doing naam Simran of waheguru - by his grace I will be able to overcomes these temptation, desires and frustrations - hopefully.

So my question is - do I have to read the sukhamni sahib paath, or is it ok to just listen to it?

And does it matter wether I read in gurmukhi or English - when I have the time to read(when not doing college work, or helping others)

Or does the effect only come if reading in gurmuki.

Also does it matter if I do other things and listen to the paath at the same time or should I stop everything and read it to myself without distraction?

Lastely personally I struggle to get up during amritvela, could you please offer me some advice on how I can stay awake constantly everyday.

Thank you all , May waheguru ji bless you.

[khalsawarrior47 1]

I will really appreciate ansawers for my question,please I'm really confused, thank you all.

[gsd1 0]

Listening to the path is good. If you read it, I feel it is the best to read it in Gurmukhi. If you dont know Gurmukhi, you may start learning it and in the meantime (whatever time it takes- months, years) listen to the path.

The most important thing is patience (hukam rjai chalna). Kam,Krodh etc are said to be mahabali (extremely strong) in Gurbani, so It will take time before you can win them over and it takes even more time to attain constant state of happiness. But serving the Guru and reading/listening bani is happiness in itself! andd atleast the things wont get worse if you are doing some effort.

Bhagat Farid hung himself upside-down in a well for 12 years before he could attain God! Not that we need such penance, but my point is that it is a difficult path and we need to have patience. Naam,Seva and accepting God's sweet will (Bhana) will make it easy and I am sure it is worth it!

On a personal note - I also struggle to wake up at Amritvela, succumb to Kaam,krodh some times and get frustrated, may the sangat do Ardaas for us and hopefully we will see through our journey to destination some day!

[SinghHarpreetchahal 0]

I just joined this forum and I am glad I did!! a lot of you guys are inspiring..

and i beleive that it is better to do the path than listening to the path.

[bhai sahib ji 0]

Guru Sahib says to us Gaveoh, Sunu, Paroh nit bani.

Therefore they place singing first, followed by listening followed by reading. Therefore it is not a bad deed to listen to the bani but it would be very hard to stop the mind from wandering which is perhaps why you are doing other things whilst listening to the paath, which may be the cause of your current feelings; since you are not really listening to all of the paath. It is like watching TV whilst on the laptop, you do not focus entirely on whats on the TV it is background noise.

What I would suggest is the following:

Many people in your position listen to bani but follow the recording using a romanised Gutka. This way they are able to concentrate and can also move from romanised to gurmukhi.

Many will disagree with me on this point but the 'paraas kala' of simran is very great and it needs to be balanced with other paath and seva. Therefore at this stage I would suggest you do Mool Mantar. Ideally obtain a mala which has 108 beads and do 6 mala a day - 648 mool mantar

For amrit vela use your ego to wake you up. If you go to bed for at least 10.30pm your routine could then be:

3.30 am wake up - isnaan etc

4.15 am Mool Mantar

5.30 am aim to go to a local gurdwara

With going to the gurdwara each morning you will begin to see some regular faces who will also notice you. Your ego will not want to be late since it wants to look good in front of these people. This has worked for numerous people.

Finally do as much seva as you can in particular joria di seva (cleaning shoes) as you leave the gurdwara.

Hopefully a combination of all of the above will help you on your path.

[singhbj singh 1,393]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

The best results are achieved when you read, recite, listen, contemplate & practice Gurbani.

Coming to the main problem - fulfilling of desires, nobody gets it all !

We only receive what & when Waheguru ji approves.

Let's be reasonable, supposing a person is given Mbbs without qualifying, how will he treat patients?

It's obvious that he is unsuitable for this profession.

But he can look at relative occupations like Pharmacy, Nursing, Hospital Management, Surgical goods supplier etc

Failing one test or closing of one door just means look for other open doors !

And yes there are negative effects of kaam, Krodh, Lobh & Ninda on your Seva.

Read this Shabad for enlightenment -

ਸਾਰੰਗ ॥

Saarang ||

सारंग ॥

Saarang:

1 ਪੰ. ੪

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ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

Ik Oankaar Sathigur Prasaadh ||

ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

2 ਪੰ. ੪

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ਤੈ ਨਰ ਕਿਆ ਪੁਰਾਨੁ ਸੁਨਿ ਕੀਨਾ ॥

Thai Nar Kiaa Puraan Sun Keenaa ||

तै नर किआ पुरानु सुनि कीना ॥

So what have you accomplished by listening to the Puraanas?

3 ਸਾਰੰਗ (ਭ. ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੫੩ ਪੰ. ੫

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ਅਨਪਾਵਨੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਉਪਜੀ ਭੂਖੈ ਦਾਨੁ ਨ ਦੀਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Anapaavanee Bhagath Nehee Oupajee Bhookhai Dhaan N Dheenaa ||1|| Rehaao ||

अनपावनी भगति नही उपजी भूखै दानु न दीना ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Faithful devotion has not welled up within you, and you have not been inspired to give to the hungry. ||1||Pause||

4 ਸਾਰੰਗ (ਭ. ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੫੩ ਪੰ. ੫

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ਕਾਮੁ ਨ ਬਿਸਰਿਓ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਨ ਬਿਸਰਿਓ ਲੋਭੁ ਨ ਛੂਟਿਓ ਦੇਵਾ ॥

Kaam N Bisariou Krodhh N Bisariou Lobh N Shhoottiou Dhaevaa ||

कामु न बिसरिओ क्रोधु न बिसरिओ लोभु न छूटिओ देवा ॥

You have not forgotten sexual desire, and you have not forgotten anger; greed has not left you either.

5 ਸਾਰੰਗ (ਭ. ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੫੩ ਪੰ. ੬

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ਪਰ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਨਹੀ ਛੂਟੀ ਨਿਫਲ ਭਈ ਸਭ ਸੇਵਾ ॥੧॥

Par Nindhaa Mukh Thae Nehee Shhoottee Nifal Bhee Sabh Saevaa ||1||

पर निंदा मुख ते नही छूटी निफल भई सभ सेवा ॥१॥

Your mouth has not stopped slandering and gossiping about others. Your service is useless and fruitless. ||1||

6 ਸਾਰੰਗ (ਭ. ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੫੩ ਪੰ. ੬

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ਬਾਟ ਪਾਰਿ ਘਰੁ ਮੂਸਿ ਬਿਰਾਨੋ ਪੇਟੁ ਭਰੈ ਅਪ੍ਰਾਧੀ ॥

Baatt Paar Ghar Moos Biraano Paett Bharai Apraadhhee ||

बाट पारि घरु मूसि बिरानो पेटु भरै अप्राधी ॥

By breaking into the houses of others and robbing them, you fill your belly, you sinner.

7 ਸਾਰੰਗ (ਭ. ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੫੩ ਪੰ. ੭

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ਜਿਹਿ ਪਰਲੋਕ ਜਾਇ ਅਪਕੀਰਤਿ ਸੋਈ ਅਬਿਦਿਆ ਸਾਧੀ ॥੨॥

Jihi Paralok Jaae Apakeerath Soee Abidhiaa Saadhhee ||2||

जिहि परलोक जाइ अपकीरति सोई अबिदिआ साधी ॥२॥

But when you go to the world beyond, your guilt will be well known, by the acts of ignorance which you committed. ||2||

8 ਸਾਰੰਗ (ਭ. ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੫੩ ਪੰ. ੭

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ਹਿੰਸਾ ਤਉ ਮਨ ਤੇ ਨਹੀ ਛੂਟੀ ਜੀਅ ਦਇਆ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਲੀ ॥

Hinsaa Tho Man Thae Nehee Shhoottee Jeea Dhaeiaa Nehee Paalee ||

हिंसा तउ मन ते नही छूटी जीअ दइआ नही पाली ॥

Cruelty has not left your mind; you have not cherished kindness for other living beings.

9 ਸਾਰੰਗ (ਭ. ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੫੩ ਪੰ. ੮

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ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਕਥਾ ਪੁਨੀਤ ਨ ਚਾਲੀ ॥੩॥੧॥੬॥

Paramaanandh Saadhhasangath Mil Kathhaa Puneeth N Chaalee ||3||1||6||

परमानंद साधसंगति मिलि कथा पुनीत न चाली ॥३॥१॥६॥

Parmaanand has joined the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. Why have you not followed the sacred teachings? ||3||1||6||

10 ਸਾਰੰਗ (ਭ. ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੫੩ ਪੰ. ੮

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ਛਾਡਿ ਮਨ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਮੁਖਨ ਕੋ ਸੰਗੁ ॥

Shhaadd Man Har Bimukhan Ko Sang ||

छाडि मन हरि बिमुखन को संगु ॥

O mind, do not even associate with those who have turned their backs on the Lord.

11 ਸਾਰੰਗ (ਭ. ਸੂ੍ਰਦਾਸ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੫੩ ਪੰ. ੧੦

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Source - http://searchgurbani.com/scriptures/ggs_shabad/4531/line/6

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

[SSD 50]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

I've recently been listeneing to the shri sukhmani sahib, for the past couple of weeks but I feel as though listening to the paath may not be the best option to get the full effects of the paath - is that in anyway true.

I currently not able to read or understand gurmukhi being spoken, however I am able to read through translation - is it ok for me to read it in English, or is it a nrssacity to read it in gurmukhi to feel it's full effect.

I'm pondering over this question because before my result day I listened to the sukhmani sahib paath, for happeniness not just for result day(which didn't go to well) but also for my wishes and desires to be fulfilled, I'm very muchc dedicated to sikhi, naam jap, and listening to paath, however lately everything seems to be going dull, I'm becoming frustrated and seem to be getting no satisfaction out of life - which may mean I must be doing the sukhmani paath incorrectly - I've also briefly spoken to a gyani who said that waheguru ji doesn't give us what we desire because there's a weakness inside- could the weakness be that I'm just listening to the paath and not reciting it in gurmuhki or English?

On a personal note I'm trying to over come kaam and krodh - but I've recently fallen to theses vices due to frustration of life being unsatisfying, and I know that by doing naam Simran of waheguru - by his grace I will be able to overcomes these temptation, desires and frustrations - hopefully.

So my question is - do I have to read the sukhamni sahib paath, or is it ok to just listen to it?

And does it matter wether I read in gurmukhi or English - when I have the time to read(when not doing college work, or helping others)

Or does the effect only come if reading in gurmuki.

Also does it matter if I do other things and listen to the paath at the same time or should I stop everything and read it to myself without distraction?

Lastely personally I struggle to get up during amritvela, could you please offer me some advice on how I can stay awake constantly everyday.

Thank you all , May waheguru ji bless you.

do the read a long, it's really long though.