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Did I quote SGPC ?, I am quoting only Akaal Takhat , are not we supposed to Follow Akaal Takhat ? Further If there is an authentic copy of Guru Sahib Ji's Edicts about Sikhi Rehat , then why maryada being followed by Damdami Taksaal , Akhand Kirtani Jatha & Nihang Jathebandis do not match ( All profess that the maryada being followed by them is real Maryada as explained by Dasam Patshah ji?)

SGPC is the one who made an incomplete Rehat Maryada and forced the title Sikh Rehat Maryada of Sri Akal Takht Sahib. I have read the history of how this Rehat Maryada was forced in and not accepted by many Gursikhs. While discussing to make a Rehat Maryada for the whole Panth Gursikhs walked away because the committee was not willing to accept Gurmat ideas. Instead they were taking Gurmat ideas out and making a secular Rehat. 1932 was the boiling point, where they decided to put discussion aside because even the people left in the committee could not agree on topics. Many years later, with very little discussion and selected people the incomplete Rehat Maryada was forced on the Khalsa Panth. The Gursikhs of that time were not going to let go of the Rehat Maryada Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji gave them and they suck to their Gurus Rehat. This so called Sri Akal Takht Sahib Maryada is man made and incomplete.

Nirmale, Sevapanthis, Udhasis, Nihangs, and Taksal were all given a separate Rehat Maryada by Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji to focus on the duty they were given by the Guru himself. However in all 5 different jathas one core idea was the same. They all agreed on what is the Gurus Bani and what is our nitnem. 5 Banis were read by all of them as nitnem. Some read more, but never less. AKJ was created later and they too follow the Gurus word of reading 5 Banis in the morning as nitnem. What to we see from this so called Sri Akal Takhat Sahib Maryada? They don't even follow the core idea that all 5 jathas agreed on and were given the instructions by Guru Sahib to deliver on.

One poster said the so called Sri Akal Takhat Rehat Maryada says 3 Banis in the morning is the minimum amount and you can do more. I have read this so called Sri Akal Takhat Sahib Maryada many times and no where does it say the 3 Banis it list is the minimum Banis. But it says this is the Nitnem Bani. Here is the link to it. http://sgpc.net/sikh-rehat-maryada-in-punjabi/

Now I want to ask. Is SGPC your Guru or Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji? By the looks of it, you are saying the former is your Guru as you regard the so called Sri Akal Takhat Sahib Rehat Maryada to be what you live by. My Guru, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji gave my 5 Banis in the morning to read as my nitnem. So who are these beymukh men to come and change my Gurus words?

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Those, who have read the history of the sgpc rehat maryada creation would be able to tell how the Pal Singh Purewal Calendar (so called Nanakshahi calendar) will be forced on the Sikhs in the same manner. They have been trying the same tactics and became successful. Give it a Gurmat name and watch how the naive Sikhs will start bowing down to it.

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Instead of declaring all modern Taksali's and neo-Nangs as non-Sikhs for having their own maryada's in opposition to Sri Akal Takht Sahib as mandated by Guru Sahib we should recognise them as integral members of the Sikh Panth. Our Panth is stronger thanks to the sincere percentage of Taksali's and sincere Nihangs within the ranks of those two schools of thought. In fact instead of insisting that all Maryada's are identical to what Sri Akal Takht Sahib mandate (ideally this would so under sincere Panthic Jathedars who follow Gurmat with sincerity) we should look to widen the definition of who is an ordinary Sikh as much as possible to increase the demographic and political strength of our Panth (as the 1950 Maryada was a hammer blow losing the Panth tens of millions of hitherto sehajdhari and non-Punjabi Sikhs). Criticism of Damdami Taksal for their support of Congress (Indira) in the 1980 elections, the subservience of Santa to Indira after June 1984 or the over emphasis of Sri Chand Puja by modern Taksali's and neo-Nangs are nevertheless valid imho.

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SGPC is the one who made an incomplete Rehat Maryada and forced the title Sikh Rehat Maryada of Sri Akal Takht Sahib. I have read the history of how this Rehat Maryada was forced in and not accepted by many Gursikhs. While discussing to make a Rehat Maryada for the whole Panth Gursikhs walked away because the committee was not willing to accept Gurmat ideas. Instead they were taking Gurmat ideas out and making a secular Rehat. 1932 was the boiling point, where they decided to put discussion aside because even the people left in the committee could not agree on topics. Many years later, with very little discussion and selected people the incomplete Rehat Maryada was forced on the Khalsa Panth. The Gursikhs of that time were not going to let go of the Rehat Maryada Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji gave them and they suck to their Gurus Rehat. This so called Sri Akal Takht Sahib Maryada is man made and incomplete.

Nirmale, Sevapanthis, Udhasis, Nihangs, and Taksal were all given a separate Rehat Maryada by Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji to focus on the duty they were given by the Guru himself. However in all 5 different jathas one core idea was the same. They all agreed on what is the Gurus Bani and what is our nitnem. 5 Banis were read by all of them as nitnem. Some read more, but never less. AKJ was created later and they too follow the Gurus word of reading 5 Banis in the morning as nitnem. What to we see from this so called Sri Akal Takhat Sahib Maryada? They don't even follow the core idea that all 5 jathas agreed on and were given the instructions by Guru Sahib to deliver on.

One poster said the so called Sri Akal Takhat Rehat Maryada says 3 Banis in the morning is the minimum amount and you can do more. I have read this so called Sri Akal Takhat Sahib Maryada many times and no where does it say the 3 Banis it list is the minimum Banis. But it says this is the Nitnem Bani. Here is the link to it. http://sgpc.net/sikh-rehat-maryada-in-punjabi/

Now I want to ask. Is SGPC your Guru or Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji? By the looks of it, you are saying the former is your Guru as you regard the so called Sri Akal Takhat Sahib Rehat Maryada to be what you live by. My Guru, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji gave my 5 Banis in the morning to read as my nitnem. So who are these beymukh men to come and change my Gurus words?

This is the first post of yours I agree with lol

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What's the true reheat? The closest to it would be the 52 hukams of Guru Sahib. I don't want to say anything controversial, but the truth is the Punj Pyare choose the Rehat, with limitations on Bhujar Kurehits and nitnem.

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Instead of declaring all modern Taksali's and neo-Nangs as non-Sikhs for having their own maryada's in opposition to Sri Akal Takht Sahib as mandated by Guru Sahib we should recognise them as integral members of the Sikh Panth

Making mandates out of thin air!! Provide this mandate by the Guru. Putting words in the Gurus mouth. Have some sharam.

Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji left the human body in 1708. Your man made so called sri Akal Takht maryada was forced upon Sikhs in the mid to late 1900. Which clearly shows you consider SGPC to be your Guru and not the tenth Master of the Sikhs.

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Guru Dasmesh Ji jyoti jyot in 1708.

SGPC/SRM in 1920s.

What was the maryada in between?

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I am starting this thread to seek your help in creating a list of those people who are against Gurmat maryada of sikh panth and unity.

By creating this list, are you doing any good to the panth or uniting it? Do you call this awareness? Human intelligence is absolutely overrated.

the one started by Guru Gobind singh Ji through Baba deep singh ji and Bhai Mani singh ji.

Any historical proof that there was actually a maryada like that?

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Guru Ji made two maryadas the nihang maryada and the taksali maryada... One is for a warrior lifestyle while the other is more suitable for gristi life... The hazur sahib maryada is the same as the nihang maryada..

Use the rational side of your mind for just 1 second here. You blabber whole day as to how some people have created disunity in the panth.

Didn't guru sahb creat a disunity here? Think for a second, why would guru sahb create a separate maryada. This would be straightforward disuniting Sikhs as one would say do 'this' other would say 'that'. Guru sahb is sampooran (complete, perfect), he can never do such a thing.

Please don't put the enlightened gyan of 11 jots of guru nanak dev ji in a question with what suits you or your preferences.

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Fauj = Making mandates out of thin air!! Provide this mandate by the Guru.

1699 = Bir'ay i don't think there is any doubt as to what Dhan Dhan Guru Har Gobind Sahib Ji Maharaj mandated the Panth would decide from Sri Akal Takht Sahib.

Fauj = Putting words in the Gurus mouth. Have some sharam.

1699 = Bir'ay we should not be ashamed of Guru Sahib giving Sri Akal Takht Sahib the status it has within the Panth.

1699 = What is crucial is that the rulings of the Punj Pyare from Sri Akal Takht Sahib are in tandem with Gurmat

Fauj = Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji left the human body in 1708.

1699 = Bir'ay I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. The point I was making was that those clinging to man-made maryada's such as Damdami Taksal and those followed by neo-Nangs that hold Santa in high esteem should not be declared as non-Sikhs simply for being different to the majority of the Khalsa Panth.

1699 = For example, this is Damdami Taksal's man-made nitnem devised in the 19th century after 1857 (Rahiraas):

ਦੋਹਰਾ॥

ਰਾਮ ਕਥਾ ਜੁਗ ਜੁਗ ਅਟਲ ਸਭ ਕੋਈ ਭਾਖਤ ਨੇਤ॥

ਸੁਰਗ ਬਾਸ ਰਘੁਬਰ ਕਰਾ ਸਗਰੀ ਪੁਰੀ ਸਮੇਤ॥1॥

ਚੌਪਈ॥

ਜੋ ਇਹ ਕਥਾ ਸੁਨੈ ਅਰੁ ਗਾਵੈ॥

ਦੂਖ ਪਾਪ ਤਿਹ ਨਿਕਟ ਨਾ ਆਵੈ॥

ਬਿਸਨ ਭਗਤ ਕੀ ਏ ਫਲ ਹੋਈ॥

ਆਧਿ ਬਯਾਧਿ ਛ੍ਵੈ ਸਕੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ॥1॥

(in Roman transliteration):

Dohraa

Raam kathaa jug jug atal, sabh koee bahkhat nayt.

Surg baas raghubar karaa, sagri puree samay. 1

Chaupai

Jo ih kathaa sunai aur gaavai.

Dookh paap tih nikat naa aavai.

Bisan bhagat kee ih phal ho-ee.

Aaadhi byadhi chhvai sakai naa ko-ee. 1

(English translation): Dohra

The story of Ram will remain known through Ages and all shall ever narrate it.

Raghubar (Ram) went to heavens and took his entire city with him.

(So, the taksal worships Ram):

Dohra

Those who will listen to or sing this (Ram’s) story;

sufferings and sins will not come near him.

This will be the fruit (profit) of the meditation upon the name of Vsihnu.

No disease or illness will be able to touch him. 1

(So, the taksal worships Vishnu also):

Giani Sunder Singh (1883-1930) of Bhinder Kalan village (in Firozpur district) was the founder of modern day Damdami Taksal.

Sunder Singh Ji was known as ‘Sri Maan 108 Giani Sunder Singh Nirmala’; he was a student of Pandit Jawala Das Udasi

1699 = I personally strongly disagree with the above and Damdami Taksal's support for Congress (Indira) in 1980 elections.

1699 = However, I am asserting that just because Damdami Taksal and neo-Nang's believe in things not accepted by the vast majority of the Khalsa Panth (such as blatant Sri Chand Puja) nor acceptable according to current Sikh Rehat Maryada, we should still have respect for them as a different and clearly Sanatan/Vedic leaning but integral part of the Sikh Panth. And the same can be said in respect of Nirmale, Sevapanthi's, Kabirpanthi's, Ravidassia and so on.

1699 = In short, let us look for ways to widen the definition of an ordinary lay Sikh (including sehajdhari's and non-Punjabi's that bow down before Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj within the Sikh Panth as opposed to what the current man made 1950 Maryada states) to strengthen the population and political strength of the Sikh Panth, whilst simultaneously keeping the Khalsa Panth niyara (and recognising that quality rather than quantity is the key in respect of Amritdhari members of theSikh Panth).

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Any body plz tell me

Raat dhali dhedh pahar raat rehndi wele

Eh kehda time hai

Any body plz tell me

Raat dhali dhedh pahar raat rehndi wele

Eh kehda time hai

Amrit vela!!! From 3am to 6 am. If u divide the night starting at 9 pm and ending at 6 am into 3 equal parts. Each part is a pehar and is 3 hours long. So the last pehar is 'raat rehendi' from 3 to 6
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