Bruahh

[Sunny]

I have a good Christian friend, and we were having a discussion the other day about the Book of Revelations and its prophecies. *Note: I am not converting to Christianity

Anyways, he was telling me about the coming of the anti-christ and how the world will have some tough times ahead, blah blah. What's surprising is that most of the prophecies are coming true, with recent events.

Question: What does Sikhi have to say about this? Does it even address this issue?

[Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji]

vaaheguru ji ka khalsa vaaheguru ji ki fateh

Bhai Sahib jeeo,

Which prophecies have come true so far? And in which Christian scripture can you find them documented in?

As Sikhs we shouldn't worry about prophecies because Guru Sahib taught us to live in bhana, his will. So why worry about something in future when we have our present to improve? But just for your knowledge, there have been prophecies made in many Sikhi related scriptures, Karni Nama and Sau Sakhi are the most common ones which are discussed. We have had many discussions on them in past on this forum and you can do a search on them.

vaaheguru ji ka khalsa vaaheguru ji ki fateh

[DhadiMania]

Which prophecies have come true so far? And in which Christian scripture can you find them documented in?

well i am not so sure when it comes to what the bible says. but there have been devote christians that have written their prophecies into a book.

example, mother shipton of god knows where, predicted that the world would see iron ships that would float like wooden ships.

chariots that would run without horses (cars) etc etc etc.

most famous is nostradamous, who predicted world war 1, world war 2 (and even named the main people like de gaulle and hitler though he calls him hister)

and most famous is that of the world trade center. (he also said his brother would be the baba of christianity aka be the pope one day, in which he did).

now lets look at what nostradamus also said, but never came true.

world war 3 should have happened in 1999, and caused the whole world to blow up. well its 2004, has that happened? no.

the world goes on hukam. just because some people did mass bhakti, they gained ridhiya-sidhiya and said they were pandits who could predict the future, it does not mean that it will neccesarily happen now ill it?

what aaj kal di people think is that just because someone has written this down, it'll happen whenever. but a classic example of something not happenening is the above world war 3 thing. has it happened yet? no not yet. point being, sure someone can write

something down, but that can change any second.

take raavaan. did mass loads of bhakti, had darshan of maharaj. wasnt supposed to mess up, got a kingdom, was supposed to be immortal (which is what he asked for), and bang, he died. why? the hukam of god changed.

as soggs has said above, there is no point in looking for future things, at the end of the day ji look at present pehla, then future ji.

so in regards to prophecies, dont get too influenced by them (dont even get influenced by them) because at the end of the day, the world goes on hukam and that my friend can change.

p.s. can i ask whats with the pic :T: ? it looks like one singh is about to slap the other singhs teeth out, and the other guy is actually happy about having his teeth out by a (professional dentist?) singh.

anyway

bhol chukke muaff

Das

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

just cause someones has riddhi siddhis doesnt mean their brahm gianis or mukht

sant attar singh je said spiritual powers are just the begining of the journey

yogis can get mad powers

but they still werent mukht, they never got salvation

but jesus was at very high spirtiual level

not mukht, but high levels

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Akaali]

but jesus was at very high spirtiual level

not mukht, but high levels

Khalsa ji,

What if he was mukt? No-one knows if Jesus was mukt or not. How would you feel if someone said Guru Nanak Dev ji was not mukt, or Guru Arjan Dev ji was not mukt, but very high spiritual level.

I don't think anyone has the power to discuss someone else's bhagti level, more than half the world follows Jesus Christ, he gave shaheedi for his panth.

Bhul chuk muaf.

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

who cares if more than half of the world follows him

enough duniya follwed pandits for a loong time,s till, do, did murti pooja, etc.

and guru je spoke out agains them a lot

and i dont think he was mukht from his teachings

read the bible

chrisianty belived god is a man sitting in his throne in heaven

like a literal man and humans were fanioshed in the image of god

so is god black, white, chinese

it doesnt make sense

remeber

the hindu is blind because they think god is a stone

muslaman only has one eye because they think god lives in , i think they say macca

ive seen his teachings

from his own religious memebes and from the parcharicks of his own

that he drank wine

and its not refeerning to grape juice as some people have said

but litteral wine

and also im not sure if this is true, but in the move passion of jesus christ, and ive heard around during jesus time of shaheedi he said oh, god, y have u left me too?

but i aint sure if he really said that

maybe that was just added in or something

and thas wat chrisitans say, if there nice ones, that other prophets were wise men

but they never say they were true prophets

there hardcore on converting others

bhula chuka maf

Vaheguru je ka khalsa, Vaheguru je ke fateh

[Akaali]

I don't care if people followed him, but there was a purpose why people beleived in him.

and i dont think he was mukht from his teachings

read the bible

LOL, first of all the bible doesn't contain the teachings of Jesus,

http://www.atheists.org/christianity/myth.html I know its an atheist website, but still shows the truth. If you can show me writings OF Jesus Christ I'll beleive you, You're saying, you can find out if someone is mukt or not from his/her teachings???

If I start my own religion tomorrow, and copy everything from sikhi, and people follow me, am I automatically mukt?

The bible is NOT written by Jesus Christ, but random figures who supposedly saw heard, lived with Jesus, no-one knows the real teachings of Jesus Christ, like we know of our Guru Sahibs from SGGS.

ALot of the facts you're claiming have no proof, I know christianity isn't a sampooran religion like sikhi. But this is about Jesus not about christianity.

[Jaspaul Singh]

I wonder who that singh in the leafs jersey is ... wow he looks goooood .... :nihungsmile:

[Gurpreet Singh]

for real man.....thats one chardikalaaa singh.....i met him the other day...i was sooo dhaaan bhaaaag........

[Sunny]

vaaheguru ji ka khalsa vaaheguru ji ki fateh

Bhai Sahib jeeo,

Which prophecies have come true so far? And in which Christian scripture can you find them documented in?

Fateh,

The ones pertaining to Europe and mainly the events in the middle east. I've been keeping up with the news, and the central developments of Europe, in particular the creation of one European entity with one elected President, and the conflict in Palestine parrallels these 'prophecies.'

I am not worried at all, mind you, but interested to see what is happening and how this is discusssed in Sikhi.