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Out of interest was Muhammad a good logician? He established his own criterion (apparently from Allah) via which he commanded Muslims to recognize his so called divinity and integrity, but where is the subjectivity in that? What non-Islamic principles can prove his authenticity? Put simply, other then Muhammad's word what else is there to say Islam truly is the veracious path to God? Isn't it a defeatist mentality when da'wah givers penultimately proclaim that for not accepting Islam you will burn in hell?

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Found this in a colleague's phD:

-Islam maintains that the Koran is the very verbatim of Allah, and as such remains unchanged since Muhammad first received its verses in revelation. There is however substantial evidence to indicate, that in the 20 years it was revealed major changes took place in its structure and/or it was changed by later generations. Gerhard Nehls notes, when confronted with this evidence Muslims revert to the doctrine of abrogation. Their argument hinges the fact that a perfect God possesses all rights to change his creation, but as Nehls further notes: ‘we find it unacceptable that within a space of 20 years a need for change or correction can become necessary. This surely suggests that either God is not all-knowing or else the recorder made corrections.’ (56) Nehls further elaborates, ‘furthermore, since no one is aware of the chronology of the suras, there is no way to know for sure which revelations abrogate other revelations. As a result, we are left with a contradictory text that raises more questions than it gives answers. God is not a God of confusion. It simply does not make sense for God to go to the trouble of making His revelation known to man, only to have man confused by that very same revelation.’

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Got this from that comedian Adeeba's site:

"You are the best nation ever raised up amongst mankind. (Why?) You enjoin all that is good and you forbid all that is evil and (by doing this) you believe in Allaah" (Qur'an 3:110).

As Muslims we believe that "the only religion acceptable to Allaah is Islaam" (Qur'an 3:19), and that "whoever follows a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted from him and in the hereafter he shall be from amongst the losers" (Qur'an 3:85). [1] Hence, we have been instructed to invite mankind to this singular truth, which is the purpose behind the establishment of this website.

We want to acquire nothing except the pleasure of Allaah and seek only His Face as we endeavour to call our Sikh friends to the Truth of Islaam. However, we will do this based upon the Qur'anic criteria:

  • With Wisdom.
  • A beautiful mode of preaching.
  • And to debate in the way that is best."

Now note a few things here, Qur'anic criteria, something they are essentially comfortable with but nothing subjective. Note the verse 3:19, any subjectivity to prove that they actually are a best nation. If so, you would expect them to be world leaders in their own right. 3:19, the 'acceptable' is obvious, otherwise why would they be screeching their lungs out for da'wah and Jihad. 3:85? 'it will never be accepted from him...' the seal is set. Nothing other than the Qu'ran (which they argue is authentic) to prove their point of view. If such things are brought to notice then they label it as 'Islamaphobia.' The thing with logic is that it conforms to the notion that you construct a theory to fit the facts. Islam on the other hand constructs 'facts' to fit the theory.

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Omg OP go and ask thia foolish question on a Muslim website

Did, they banned me saying that Iblis had placed a seal on my heart. Plus did I wound your sense of multiculturalism with it?

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Well you have to admit he was clever to market this pack of lies ...

as the so-called words of God (despite Muhammad being the author himself)

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TheReligionofPeace.com
Guide to Understanding Islam

What does the
Religion of Peace
Teach About...

The Sex Life of the Prophet

Question:

Was Islam's "perfect man" sexually restrained?

Summary Answer:

The Quran (which was narrated by Muhammad) refers to Muhammad's life as "as beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone whose hope is in Allah" (33:21) and "an exalted standard of character" (68:4).

Yet, thanks to Allah's extraordinary interest in his personal sex life (as immortalized in the Quran) the prophet of Islam had sex with just about anyone he pleased.

Although the Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (ie. Zaynab and Mary).

Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He had sex with a 9-year-old girl and married his adopted son's wife (after arranging a quick divorce). On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.

So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP0-kbJZgLg

The Qur'an:

Allah managed to hand down quite a few "revelations" that sanctioned Muhammad's personal pursuit of sex to the doubters around him. Interestingly they have become part of the the eternal, infallible word of the Qur'an, to be memorized by generations of Muslims for whom they have no possible relevance.

Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed."

No doubt millions of young Muslims, trying to outdo one another at memorizing the Qur'an, have wondered about what this verse means and why it is there. In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, - a state of affairs that disturbed local customs. The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce). As for why this should be part of the eternal word of God...?

Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those slavegirls whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her - specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those slaves whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; "

This is another special command that Muhammad handed down to himself that allows virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah. One assumes that this "revelation" was meant to assuage some sort of disgruntlement in the community over Muhammad's hedonism.

Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased" This is in reference to a situation in which Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them. Accordingly, Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims.

Qur'an (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?... Allah has already ordained for you, the dissolution of your oaths " Another remarkably personal passage of sexual convenience in a book billed as Allah's perfect and eternal message to mankind. Muhammad was caught sleeping with a slave woman on the night that he was supposed to be with one of his wives. Initially promising to be faithful, "Allah" tells his prophet to break that promise and enjoy sex with his slaves. If his wives objected then "it may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you."

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) except those slavegirls whom your right hands possess." Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.

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Did, they banned me saying that Iblis had placed a seal on my heart. Plus did I wound your sense of multiculturalism with it?

They banned you and you want to carry on with your nonsense here.

What an illogical sense you got.

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Here he comes to put your senses in place so that you dont ask such nonsensical questions on our site.

Lol

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They banned you and you want to carry on with your nonsense here.

What an illogical sense you got.

JSingh when it comes to India versus Sikhs you outdo even an opera singer in your diatribes, however if it comes to another issue you are the first to cry foul. Plus does this forum belong to your father or something that it now becomes "ours?" If so, then please do send my regards to chacha ji.
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Out of interest was Muhammad a good logician? He established his own criterion (apparently from Allah) via which he commanded Muslims to recognize his so called divinity and integrity, but where is the subjectivity in that? What non-Islamic principles can prove his authenticity? Put simply, other then Muhammad's word what else is there to say Islam truly is the veracious path to God? Isn't it a defeatist mentality when da'wah givers penultimately proclaim that for not accepting Islam you will burn in hell?

Muhammad was probably not stupid, if he met Allah, (Vaheguru), he most likely lied about how one merges with him. It's like Jesus with the whole hell thing, something to persuade others to join. Now to the Qur'an, it is clear Muhammad did not write it for one of 2 reasons. First, Muslims believe he was illiterate and couldn't read or write. The second reason he most likely didn't write the Qur'an is because he claimed that Gabriel wrote it, (Gabriel is a mythological angel who rivaled Satan). The fact is Muhammad if he met Allah would have really disappointed him in lying to his disciples.

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I will try simplifying the matter. Rationally speaking, 1+1=2. However if I was to say 1+1=3 then by implication 2+2 must equal 6 because rather than adding the two present numbers, we add an additional 2. Subjectivity would be 1+1=2, non subjectivity would be if I however promulgated 1+1=3; additionally to veil my own imbecility I can then say a second, or third, divine party informed me I am dead right. To extrapolate further I can ardently deny all subjectivity and construct "facts" to fit my theory that 1+1 in all situations must equal 3! Now of course this will lead to various different theories, and formulas, as to why 1+1=3 and not 2. To further spice up the mix I can state that only one possible formula is right; the rest wrong and individuals who cite 1+1 to be 2 deserving of death as both are formulas are mutually exclusive and opposing.

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JSingh when it comes to India versus Sikhs you outdo even an opera singer in your diatribes, however if it comes to another issue you are the first to cry foul. Plus does this forum belong to your father or something that it now becomes "ours?" If so, then please do send my regards to chacha ji.

Get your head checked and then come back to write something sensible.

Whats that muttering about india and Silhs you on about? Or is that Muhammad's logic coming out from you. Lol

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Get your head checked and then come back to write something sensible.

Whats that muttering about india and Silhs you on about? Or is that Muhammad's logic coming out from you. Lol

Look whose taking the 'anti-Muhammad' line now. If you have nothing constructive to add then I suggest you adopt a new hobby rather than trying to de-rail matters.

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Remember muhammed never ever ever conversated with god directly, even muslims acknowledge this! He always had a middleman, angel gabriel. For me, any1 wanna know whether islam has any credence as a faith, look at how they believe in 1 life theory. Im sorry but any1 who doesnt believe in reincarnation and does believe that we all came frm adam n eve, in particluar, eve came frm his RIB, well they deserve a slap.

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