Rumala Sahib For Sggs Ji.

[Tony 39]

Fateh . . . .

Rumala Issue

I had to go and get a Rumala for Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. I cant sew so had to go and get one.

All places have Rumala’s as 2x Plakan, and 1 x Rumala. Whereas the need for Rumala is 2 x Palkan, and 2 x Rumala (1 for under and 1 for over).

I did resolve this by buying 2 sets however don’t need 2 x palkan ….

Why do Sikh shops sell these as as 1 x Rumala where as the need for any of Maharaj’s Prakash requires 2 x Rumalas.

No wonder the Gurudwaras are saying don’t give so many Rumala’s as we are overstocked. Perhaps the real reason is that the Gurudwaras cant make use of these 1x Rumala sets.

Fateh

[khalsaman1 126]

Before I begin, I'm not trying to stop you from presenting a rumula sahib to Guru Ji. If this is your sharda, do it.

All gurdwaras are overstocked with rumala sahibs. We live in a society where people spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on super fancy rumala sahibs. Is this pleasing to Waheguru?

Gurbani teaches us to be modest and help others be modest. Let's say person A spends $500 on a rumala sahib and person B spends $100 on a rumala sahib and uses the other $400 to feed the hungry. What person will please Guru ji more?

If one cuts his hair, eats meat, looks at women in a sexual manner but presents a fancy rumala sahib to Guru ji, is all forgiven? If another man works hard, shares his little earnings with those even less fortunate than him and thanks Waheguru daily for giving him life and a soul to pray to Waheguru, does he need to present a rumala sahib to Guru ji?

Sorry If I have offended you but my message is that we really should take a step back and consider what pleases the Guru.

[Bundha 622]

Do you do this when you are buying a present for your wife?

Do you intend to spend £100 on her present and then just spend £20 and give the other £80 to feed the poor?

Do you spend money on your mother/father/children and then spend a fraction of it and the rest goes to the poor?

If you don't then why not start at home first and then talk about your Guru.

Sangat ji when you intend to spend money for your Guru remember where that maya has come from, never squeeze your pocket, never look at the price, spend on your Guru with eyes closed. Then see what your Guru gives back.

[khalsaman1 126]

Do you do this when you are buying a present for your wife?

Do you intend to spend £100 on her present and then just spend £20 and give the other £80 to feed the poor?

Do you spend money on your mother/father/children and then spend a fraction of it and the rest goes to the poor?

If you don't then why not start at home first and then talk about your Guru.

Sangat ji when you intend to spend money for your Guru remember where that maya has come from, never squeeze your pocket, never look at the price, spend on your Guru with eyes closed. Then see what your Guru gives back.

Not sure how your wife is brother, but I can tell you that my wife is more generous to the needy than even I. I am blessed by Waheguru.

Please explain how Guru ji finds it pleasing that his children go hungry while we give fancy rumala's to Guru ji?

The golak of a Gurdwara is the mouth of the poor. Big difference between helping the needy vs presenting fancy rumala sahib to Guru Ji.

Everyone has their sharda and I'm not trying to stop someone from doing it. But open your eyes. Look at what happens at Darbar Sahib every day. The SGPC and bazaar owners are in cahoots....every day someone buys a fancy rumala sahib, takes it to Darbar Sahib where the granthi disrespectfully throws it on Guru Ji and immediately removes it forcibly. They then take those rumala sahibs and sell them back to the bazaar at a discount....and the cycle continues.

[Bundha 622]

Bhaji, you think that Guru Ji does not know about His hungry children?

You think Guru Ji relies on us to feed His hungry children?

Who put His hungry children on this world?

Why were His hungry children put on this world?

This is not to say we do nothing, of course we do but there is nothing greater than your Guru.

You do not buy a ramalla, what point is that? You buy the cloth, and then sew the ramalla with your own hands. Then you wash the ramalla and iron it. If at any point it touches the floor you wash it and iron it again. Then you take it to your Guru and with all the love in your heart present it with humility, you gonna stop doing your adhav and satkaar of Guru Ji because of others? Let them do what they do.

[khalsaman1 126]

Bhaji, you think that Guru Ji does not know about His hungry children?

You think Guru Ji relies on us to feed His hungry children?

Who put His hungry children on this world?

Why were His hungry children put on this world?

This is not to say we do nothing, of course we do but there is nothing greater than your Guru.

You do not buy a ramalla, what point is that? You buy the cloth, and then sew the ramalla with your own hands. Then you wash the ramalla and iron it. If at any point it touches the floor you wash it and iron it again. Then you take it to your Guru and with all the love in your heart present it with humility, you gonna stop doing your adhav and satkaar of Guru Ji because of others? Let them do what they do.

Guru Ji knows about his hungry children. Guru knows all.

Guru Ji relies on all humans to serve society. In Sikhi was do honest labor, share our earnings, and pray to Waheguru.

Guru Ji puts hungry children on this earth. However, their lives are based on their own karams and doings.

Guru Ji puts these hungry children on this earth for salvation. A chance to attach to Guru's feet and break the cycle of life and death. To become one with God.

Do you think it's okay to use hundreds of gallons of milk to Mandars and Sri Darbar Sahib while millions in India go starving daily?

Or how about plucking flowers and throwing them at Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? Those flowers have life too.

These are practices Sikhs should be getting away from, not being attracted towards.

[Bundha 622]

Who is all that hundreds of gallons of milk used for in Darbar Sahib? it is for the millions who visit every year.

If flowers have life then what better way to end it by being showered over your Guru?

[simran345 2,503]

Both Pajis Khalsaman1 and Bundha, are right in what you say.

[khalsaman1 126]

Who is all that hundreds of gallons of milk used for in Darbar Sahib? it is for the millions who visit every year.

If flowers have life then what better way to end it by being showered over your Guru?

Actually, this is in direct contradiction to what Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says:

ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ੯ ਦੁਤੁਕੇ ੫

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਪਾਤੀ ਤੋਰੈ ਮਾਲਿਨੀ ਪਾਤੀ ਪਾਤੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ ਜਿਸੁ ਪਾਹਨ ਕਉ ਪਾਤੀ ਤੋਰੈ ਸੋ ਪਾਹਨ ਨਿਰਜੀਉ ॥੧॥

ਭੂਲੀ ਮਾਲਨੀ ਹੈ ਏਉ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਜਾਗਤਾ ਹੈ ਦੇਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਾਤੀ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਡਾਰੀ ਫੂਲ ਸੰਕਰਦੇਉ ॥ ਤੀਨਿ ਦੇਵ ਪ੍ਰਤਖਿ ਤੋਰਹਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਕਿਸ ਕੀ ਸੇਉ ॥੨॥

ਪਾਖਾਨ ਗਢਿ ਕੈ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਕੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਦੇ ਕੈ ਛਾਤੀ ਪਾਉ ॥ ਜੇ ਏਹ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਸਾਚੀ ਹੈ ਤਉ ਗੜ੍ਹਣਹਾਰੇ ਖਾਉ ॥੩॥

ਭਾਤੁ ਪਹਿਤਿ ਅਰੁ ਲਾਪਸੀ ਕਰਕਰਾ ਕਾਸਾਰੁ ॥ ਭੋਗਨਹਾਰੇ ਭੋਗਿਆ ਇਸੁ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਕੇ ਮੁਖ ਛਾਰੁ ॥੪॥

ਮਾਲਿਨਿ ਭੂਲੀ ਜਗੁ ਭੁਲਾਨਾ ਹਮ ਭੁਲਾਨੇ ਨਾਹਿ ॥ ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਹਮ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਖੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥੫॥੧॥੧੪॥

[Bundha 622]

[singhbj singh 1,389]

Guys there is another dimension, what about the people employed in textile industry ?

Mill owners, labourers, merchants & designers work to create Rumalla's.

By buying you are feeding them & their families or you want everyone to become beggars & thieves.

[sikhni777 841]

If one cuts his hair, eats meat, looks at women in a sexual manner but presents a fancy rumala sahib to Guru ji, is all forgiven? If another man works hard, shares his little earnings with those even less fortunate than him and thanks Waheguru daily for giving him life and a soul to pray to Waheguru, does he need to present a rumala sahib to Guru ji?

refer to this for an appropriate answer.

Luke 7:36-50New International Version (NIV) Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman

36 When one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, he went to the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37 A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume.38 As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.

39 When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.”

40 Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.”

“Tell me, teacher,” he said.

41 “Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,[a] and the other fifty. 42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”

43 Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.”

“You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.

44 Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46 You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”

48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

[khalsaman1 126]

refer to this for an appropriate answer.

Luke 7:36-50New International Version (NIV) Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman

36 When one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, he went to the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37 A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume.38 As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.

39 When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.”

40 Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.”

“Tell me, teacher,” he said.

41 “Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,[a] and the other fifty. 42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”

43 Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.”

“You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.

44 Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46 You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”

48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

I respect all religions but I prefer to stick to references to Gurbani.

Even the most sinful can be salvaged in an instant, by remembering God. Please see the shabad below. However, how does one remember God? Perhaps that is where we disagree.

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

ਜਾ ਕਉ ਮੁਸਕਲੁ ਅਤਿ ਬਣੈ ਢੋਈ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਦੇਇ ॥ ਲਾਗੂ ਹੋਏ ਦੁਸਮਨਾ ਸਾਕ ਭਿ ਭਜਿ ਖਲੇ ॥

ਸਭੋ ਭਜੈ ਆਸਰਾ ਚੁਕੈ ਸਭੁ ਅਸਰਾਉ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਲਗੈ ਨ ਤਤੀ ਵਾਉ ॥੧॥

ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਨਿਤਾਣਿਆ ਕਾ ਤਾਣੁ ॥ ਆਇ ਨ ਜਾਈ ਥਿਰੁ ਸਦਾ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦੀ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਣੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਹੋਵੈ ਦੁਬਲਾ ਨੰਗ ਭੁਖ ਕੀ ਪੀਰ ॥ ਦਮੜਾ ਪਲੈ ਨਾ ਪਵੈ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਦੇਵੈ ਧੀਰ

ਸੁਆਰਥੁ ਸੁਆਉ ਨ ਕੋ ਕਰੇ ਨਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਕਾਜੁ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਤਾ ਨਿਹਚਲੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਰਾਜੁ ॥੨॥

ਜਾ ਕਉ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਦੇਹੀ ਵਿਆਪੈ ਰੋਗੁ ॥ ਗ੍ਰਿਸਤਿ ਕੁਟੰਬਿ ਪਲੇਟਿਆ ਕਦੇ ਹਰਖੁ ਕਦੇ ਸੋਗੁ ॥

ਗਉਣੁ ਕਰੇ ਚਹੁ ਕੁੰਟ ਕਾ ਘੜੀ ਨ ਬੈਸਣੁ ਸੋਇ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਤਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਸੀਤਲੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥

ਕਾਮਿ ਕਰੋਧਿ ਮੋਹਿ ਵਸਿ ਕੀਆ ਕਿਰਪਨ ਲੋਭਿ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ ਚਾਰੇ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਉਨਿ ਅਘ ਕੀਏ ਹੋਆ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੁ ॥

ਪੋਥੀ ਗੀਤ ਕਵਿਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਕਰਨਿ ਧਰਿਆ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਤਾ ਨਿਮਖ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਤਰਿਆ ॥੪॥

[Bundha 622]

Aasaa, Kabeer Jee, 9 Panch-Paday, 5 Du-Tukay:

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

You tear off the leaves, O gardener, but in each and every leaf, there is life.

That stone idol, for which you tear off those leaves - that stone idol is lifeless. ||1||

In this, you are mistaken, O gardener.

The True Guru is the Living Lord. ||1||Pause||

Brahma is in the leaves, Vishnu is in the branches, and Shiva is in the flowers.

When you break these three gods, whose service are you performing? ||2||

The sculptor carves the stone and fashions it into an idol, placing his feet upon its chest.

If this stone god was true, it would devour the sculptor for this! ||3||

Rice and beans, candies, cakes and cookies

- the priest enjoys these, while he puts ashes into the mouth of the idol. ||4||

The gardener is mistaken, and the world is mistaken, but I am not mistaken.

Says Kabeer, the Lord preserves me; the Lord, my King, has showered His Blessings upon me. ||5||1||14||

If you take the trouble to read the shabad you will see that Guru Ji is saying that the flowers are being picked for an idol but the idol cannot give you anything back.

What I said was that a flower picked would get mukat when showered over the true living Guru.

You get the difference ?

[khalsaman1 126]

Aasaa, Kabeer Jee, 9 Panch-Paday, 5 Du-Tukay:

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

You tear off the leaves, O gardener, but in each and every leaf, there is life.

That stone idol, for which you tear off those leaves - that stone idol is lifeless. ||1||

In this, you are mistaken, O gardener.

The True Guru is the Living Lord. ||1||Pause||

Brahma is in the leaves, Vishnu is in the branches, and Shiva is in the flowers.

When you break these three gods, whose service are you performing? ||2||

The sculptor carves the stone and fashions it into an idol, placing his feet upon its chest.

If this stone god was true, it would devour the sculptor for this! ||3||

Rice and beans, candies, cakes and cookies

- the priest enjoys these, while he puts ashes into the mouth of the idol. ||4||

The gardener is mistaken, and the world is mistaken, but I am not mistaken.

Says Kabeer, the Lord preserves me; the Lord, my King, has showered His Blessings upon me. ||5||1||14||

If you take the trouble to read the shabad you will see that Guru Ji is saying that the flowers are being picked for an idol but the idol cannot give you anything back.

What I said was that a flower picked would get mukat when showered over the true living Guru.

You get the difference ?

We don't decide who is mukat. Next you will say it is okay to kill animals and give them as offerings for guru ji because you wanted to give them mukti. We cannot play God bhaji.

You people need to wake up. The British raj wanted to destroy Sikhism by bringing in ideology of Hinduism into our practices. If you can't differentiate between manmat and love for Guru ji, I cannot help you.