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UK General Election: Jeremy Corbyn Or Theresa May Who Do You Think Will Win?

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My bet is on Jeremy and Labour winning,

The Tory manifesto has nothing positive for the electorate to vote for plus Theresa may/ conservatives have proved to be weak on islamic terrorism, mass muslim immigration and policing and security.

I also think Theresa is trying to lose the election as she doesn't want to deal with the huge challenge of brexiting from the EU ahead of her.

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Who do I think will win? The Tories.

Which party do I want to see win? Neither. 

I'm actually warming to Corbyn. The frankly disgraceful way the PLP in Labour have tried to undermine him from day one is nothing short of treason. 

Edit: Treason, in a manner of speaking, not actual treason.

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I dont want either party to win either, both have policies that can have a huge negative impact on the UK. However out of the two bad options I personally think Jeremy's labour party is the better purely based on his more positive investment in services manifesto rather than the negative one of cuts offered by theresa may.

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You asked who would win, then you went to say who should win.

Anyway, disregarding policy details, the one thing that stands out to me in regards to Theresa May is the sense that she is dedicated to putting the interests of Britain first. By contrast, Jeremy Corbyn seems not to be dedicated to any such notion, as he has to in his mind balance Britain's interests with the rest of the EU and of the rest of the world, too.

Theresa May seems to me to be determined to get the best deal for Britain in her negotiations with the EU. As such she has repeatedly stated that no deal would be better than a bad deal, meaning she is prepared to walk away. (No deal would mean repealing the European Communities Act, leading to EU law being unenforceable in the UK, and trade happening under World Trage Organization rules--a few percent as opposed to zero percent now, and perhaps EU property located in the UK seized by the UK.)

Now, as anyone who has ever done a negotiation knows, you have to be prepared to walk away, and make the other party know that. Imagine what sort of negotiation you would have for a new house if you announced in advance to the selling party that no matter what, you are going to get a deal. No matter if the seller increases the price by 10%, 20%, 50%, even 100%, you will accept anything and everything, but you will absolutely complete the deal. This would be sheer nonsense and absolute lunacy. Yet, this is exactly what Jeremy Corbyn has announced in relation to the EU negotiations. By the way, the EU has indeed increased its demand for an incredible $50 billion divorce bill to an utterly mad $100 billion.

Looking at the way Theresa May has the will to do right by her people makes me wonder why we never get leaders to do right by us. My sense of our leaders is that they will capitulate to anything and everything just to "get a deal", and they are not prepared to walk away. How wonderful it would be if our leaders would state that they are going to enter negotiations with Haryana and Rajasthan for payment for Punjab water flowing into their states. And if they're unable to secure a deal, they will "walk away", i.e., stop the flow of water.

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Democracy is a system proven to fail.

Guroo Gobind Singh jee has already given us the perfect method to manage a society and that is through the system of panj rehatvaan gursikhs to be our form of government.

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6 hours ago, AjaipalSingh said:

Democracy is a system proven to fail.

Guroo Gobind Singh jee has already given us the perfect method to manage a society and that is through the system of panj rehatvaan gursikhs to be our form of government.

Umm, what? 

We were talking about the UK elections, and you come back and say Punj Piyare is the system of governance for us? How does that relate to the subject matter of this thread?

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How is such a topic about elections related to Saadh Sangath and Sikhi, the purpose of the creation of such a website?

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56 minutes ago, AjaipalSingh said:

How is such a topic about elections related to Saadh Sangath and Sikhi, the purpose of the creation of such a website?

Dear brother,

I sincerely hope you are not a follower of only the first five Gurus. Are you?

The Sixth Guru Hargobind ji taught us the need of both Miri and Piri. Piri (spirituality) comes first, but you also need Miri (temporal power). Saadh Sangat may be said to be related to Piri, but Sikhi encompasses both Miri and Piri.

Guru Gobind Singh ji told us to study politics (52 hukums).

Guru Gobind Singh ji supported Bahadur Shah in his quest to become Emperor of the Islamic state of India. Would you have asked Guru Sahib what the assistance to Bahadur Shah had to do this Guru ji's responsibilties as Guru? Or the relation to Saadh Sangat and Sikhi?

I hope to read answers to all my questions.

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1 hour ago, AjaipalSingh said:

How is such a topic about elections related to Saadh Sangath and Sikhi, the purpose of the creation of such a website?

Why are you diverting from the topic?

Since your a newbie you would be wise to understand this forum allows topics that are relevant and has impact on Sikhs to be discussed.

Anyone with even half a braincell would realise the relevance of UK general elections have on British Sikhs especially since theres a few Sikh candidates standing in the election and manifesto policies of the 2 major parties will directly impact on the lives of British Sikhs.

 

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Turiya does not get involved in politics per se.

But ithihaas gives us gyaan with regards to showing support for those who have dharam at their core and are our friends.  

There are many examples in ithihaas, but one famous one is how Guru Gobind Singh Ji blessed and gave eternal respect/protection to Shere Muhammed Khan's family, due to Shere Muhammed acting as a true Muslim and speaking out against the fatwa to bury the chhote sahibzade alive given by the corrupt Muslim Quazi and accepted by the corrupt Muslim Nawaab and his corrupt court.

To this day, the Muslims of Malerkotla are protected and treated with the utmost respect.

Jeremy Corbyn was one of the only politicians in 1984, who spoke out against Operation Blue Star and the attack on the holiest of Sikh Gurdwarai.  To this day he seeks to help and protect Sikh rights 'fully' including the right to wear a kirpaan.  He has also genuinely been calling for and will continue to, an 'proper' investigation into the Tory parties (Thatchers) role in helping the Indian government plan the attack.  In comparison, Thatcher the advisory butcher, is worshipped by David Cameron and Theresa May.

We have a once in a lifetime chance to make a man with principles, honesty, compassion and courage... and who is a true friend to the Sikhs, the LEADER of our country.

Please steer clear of all the billionaire funded media propaganda and 'look' at manifestos from unbiased sources. Listen to the candidates speak. Look at their history and their character. Look at what they are willing to do for our society AND world society and cohesion 🙏🏻

 

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I was perplexed by May's sudden pronouncement to crack down on the internet as one of the first things she spoke about after the London Bridge attack. It was a rather peculiar sentiment immediately after a terrorist attack, particularly when there was very little indication the internet played any majorly significant role in radicalising the individuals in question. It was almost as if she was waiting for the right moment to unleash that policy.

Aside from that, the Tory manifesto was harsh on traditional Tory demographics. Labour are a party in disarray despite the results. This election will, ironically, increase divisions between the Corbyn camp and the PLP faction instead of soothe relations. The neo-liberal party members won't be content until Corbyn and his fan club are banished to the fringes once again.

In conclusion, no matter who wins these and future elections, we lose.

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Coalition Government time.

A lot of youngsters voted for Corbyn enticed by the pledge to scrap tuition fees.

Ironic since it was a Labour government that introduced them in the first place.

I wonder if he was voted in whether he really would have followed through on that.

May will be a sitting duck PM. There is going to be no confidence in her. Every decision will be undermined. 

There are rumours that there is going to be an Autumn election and maybe another referendum.

 

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2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

May will be a sitting duck PM. There is going to be no confidence in her. Every decision will be undermined. 

There are rumours that there is going to be an Autumn election and maybe another referendum.

 

October, apparently. 

I must say, the recent terror attacks seem to have worked against the government. I know correlation isn't causation, but it can't be a coincidence they went from a predicted landslide to a dodgy coalition with the DUP.

I'm actually pleased for Corbyn the man. It is somewhat of a vindication of his way of doing things. Although Labour as a political entity can go to hell. Both theirs and the Tories' brand of neo-liberalism will decimate this country for the vast majority. The rich and the elite minority will always be spared the worst of it.

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