Why the need to convert others ?

[mahandulai]

19 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

If no one converted to Sikhism, there would be no Sikhs today. Aslo sometimes the plant needs watering and feeding or it will perish. 

exactly. i would say, do not convert, but another word, forget the word entirely

[Big_Tera]

4 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

bro no one conquers their soul they conquer their mind their ego their hau mai /i am ness.... if you cannot accept guru ji's hukham to keep kes you are conceding that your lok lajja matters more to you thus haumai will always reign in your heart... I don't believe that it cannot change but you need to keep that fact in mind. As for Dalai lama I doubt he conquered haumai as he actively courts media, movie  stars etc. his behaviour is not particularly detached .

As for BOS Nobody said that they are doing wrong ...they are doing nishkam parchaar that's why they have been succeeding in reaching people's hearts .

Bos are doing are great job. I am not saying I am going to be the one who does parchaar. Its rather more about supporting people like them, to teach the rest of us. 

I think this is where jagsaw has misentepretated  what I said. I dont believe I am the one to spread the faith as I am still learning myself and not ready to do it at the moment. Hopefully in the future I will be. 

Sikhism is about teaching and learning. If someone wants to learn more about Sikhism. There should be centres or learning facilities available. Many people are starting to become Sikhs through these organisations. This is just the beginnin and hopefully we see more. Sikhism is not a numbers game. 

I think wearing a turban in order for you to be Sikh is going into another debate altogther. most Sikhs probably dont wear turbans. Are you going to say they are all not Sikhs. It is what is inside that counts. What if non sikhs want to become Sikhs . But they dont want to wear a turban and grow a beard. 

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, Big_Tera said:

Bos are doing are great job. I am not saying I am going to be the one who does parchaar. Its rather more about supporting people like them, to teach the rest of us. 

I think this is where jagsaw has misentepretated  what I said. I dont believe I am the one to spread the faith as I am still learning myself. 

Sikhism is about teaching and learning. If someone wants to learn more about Sikhism. There should be centres or learning facilities available. Many people are starting to become Sikhs through these organisations. This is just the beginnin and hopefully we see more. Sikhism is not a numbers game. 

I think wearing a turban in order for you to be Sikh is going into another debate altogther. moat Sikhs probably dont wear turbans. Are you going to say they are all not Sikhs. It is what is inside that counts. 

look at this way Guru Nanak Dev Gobind Singh ji bestowed the taaj of self-sovreignty with their own mubarak hands on our heads - to be the sign that this head/soul belongs to House of Nanak - to be honoured in this world and the coming world , and we in our anjan bachapan say things like we don't need this blessing/sign of protection to follow our Guru ji's path ...this is like spitting on Guru ji's honour and gian then saying we are still listening to the Same Guru Sahiban's voice . That is why people feel that such people are cutting their noses off to spite their face.

[Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh]

22 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Your obviously one of them left wing Sikhs.

 

 

Yes of course I'm a left wing Sikh. In fact I'm a bit left of left. let's call it a Trotskyite socialist

 

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Who would like nothing more to be celebrating christmas

No that's you remember, I'm the one that said there is no such thing as 'christmas' because it's all just a made up story copied word for word from the story of Mithras. If, on the other hand, you're talking about treating the excited kids to presents on  Santa's big day then yes...that's me.

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eating turkey

No that's you remember, I'm the one that draws so much stick here because of my militant anti-meat ideology. Just out of interest then Big Tera, why are you continuously confusing your own views with that of others. Have you said so much on this forum that you're actually forgetting the made-up persona you've created ?

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trying to make all Sikhs like you

No, you see, you're forgetting again. I'm the one that draws a lot of criticism borderline abuse on this forum because of my libertarian contrarian viewpoint. i.e, as a contrarian I revel in difference. Having everyone be like me is the last thing I want.

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comming across as panzified

No you're confusing me with ajeetsinghpunjabi. He commes across panzies.

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comming across as .... tree hugging Sikh.

I am a tree-hugging Sikh. Thank you.

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Overly westernised

No once again you've failed to understand very basic things. As a critical race theorist, my very essence is anti-western. It makes no sense to call someone overtly antiwestern 'overly western'. 

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overly gorafied

What ?  I'm a critical race theorist. Do you even know what that means and how it defines my relationship with goras ?

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overely  liberalized

Not sure what you mean by 'overely' but of course I'm a liberal. 12% of the Canadian Cabinet are Liberal party Sikhs. 90% of Canadian Sikh MPs are Liberal and even more to the left of the Liberals. You make 'liberal' out to be a bad thing bigtera

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Get back to drawing another painting.

Sorry, are you asking me to draw a drawing or paint a painting ? or perhaps paint a drawing ?

[Big_Tera]

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

look at this way Guru Nanak Dev Gobind Singh ji bestowed the taaj of self-sovreignty with their own mubarak hands on our heads - to be the sign that this head/soul belongs to House of Nanak - to be honoured in this world and the coming world , and we in our anjan bachapan say things like we don't need this blessing/sign of protection to follow our Guru ji's path ...this is like spitting on Guru ji's honour and gian then saying we are still listening to the Same Guru Sahiban's voice . That is why people feel that such people are cutting their noses off to spite their face.

I respect people who choose to wear the turban if that is their choice. But then you have people that do and still do all kinds of sins. Such as clubbing, partying, drinking, immoral behaviour. I would respect a mona Sikh more then someone who does the above. Simply because they keep kesh. 

In Sikhism we are judged more on our actions then our appearance. On the day we leave this earth .God will not ask what our faith is or what colour we are are. He will say what good deeds did you do. Having a turban is not going to give you extra brownie points. 

Its our actions and deeds that are most important. 

Wearing a turban is great symbol and if it helps you on your spiritual journey then go for it. But we should not not criticise mona Sikhs. 

 

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, Big_Tera said:

I respect people who choose to wear the turban if that is their choice. But then you have people that do and still do all kinds of sins. Such as clubbing, partying, drinking, immoral behaviour. I would  would respect a mona Sikh more then someone who does the above. Simply because they keep kesh. 

  

so if others are foolish you'd waste your opportunity with Guru ji? Why do you respect a mona with the same behaviour more ? both are falling below Guru ji's intention for us .

[Big_Tera]

6 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

so if others are foolish you'd waste your opportunity with Guru ji? Why do you respect a mona with the same behaviour more ? both are falling below Guru ji's intention for us .

I just edited my post. See it there. 

I am not respecting a mona more. I am saying I would rather see Sikh a person who does good deeds and actions. Then someone who simply wears a turban. 

 

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, Big_Tera said:

I just edited my post. See it there. 

I am not respecting a mona more. I am saying I would rather see Sikh a person who does good deeds and actions. Then someone who simply wears a turban. 

 

let's hope for more people who can combine the internal and external aspects to teach the others how to be ...

[Big_Tera]

9 hours ago, Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:

Yes of course I'm a left wing Sikh. In fact I'm a bit left of left. let's call it a Trotskyite socialist

 

No that's you remember, I'm the one that said there is no such thing as 'christmas' because it's all just a made up story copied word for word from the story of Mithras. If, on the other hand, you're talking about treating the excited kids to presents on  Santa's big day then yes...that's me.

No that's you remember, I'm the one that draws so much stick here because of my militant anti-meat ideology. Just out of interest then Big Tera, why are you continuously confusing your own views with that of others. Have you said so much on this forum that you're actually forgetting the made-up persona you've created ?

No, you see, you're forgetting again. I'm the one that draws a lot of criticism borderline abuse on this forum because of my libertarian contrarian viewpoint. i.e, as a contrarian I revel in difference. Having everyone be like me is the last thing I want.

No you're confusing me with ajeetsinghpunjabi. He commes across panzies.

I am a tree-hugging Sikh. Thank you.

No once again you've failed to understand very basic things. As a critical race theorist, my very essence is anti-western. It makes no sense to call someone overtly antiwestern 'overly western'. 

What ?  I'm a critical race theorist. Do you even know what that means and how it defines my relationship with goras ?

Not sure what you mean by 'overely' but of course I'm a liberal. 12% of the Canadian Cabinet are Liberal party Sikhs. 90% of Canadian Sikh MPs are Liberal and even more to the left of the Liberals. You make 'liberal' out to be a bad thing bigtera

Sorry, are you asking me to draw a drawing or paint a painting ? or perhaps paint a drawing ?

What ever you say mate. I dont really have time to debate with what you just said. So I will just say good for you and continue believing what you like. I am not here to change you. 

[Guest Guest_SinghUK]

Hi there,

Great thread. 

The answer is obvious. When you are insecure in your own beliefs (which many parcharaks are) you need to validate yourself by getting as many people to agree with what you. This is what many of the popular sikh youtube channels are. Hence the binary method (my way or the high way).

Put them in front of another type of person (non-punjabi) and their debate falls flat on its face because they haven't studied or understood the art of real katha let alone themselves.

If you want to listen to real katha in english, you'll have to go find them. They are very rare. Alan Watts springs to mind. Good luck.