Mahatma Gandhi was a pervert

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This man was a creep and a pervert   no Sikh should respect him or his "philosophy"

It was no secret that Mohandas Gandhi had an unusual sex life. He spoke constantly of sex and gave detailed, often provocative, instructions to his followers as to how to they might best observe chastity. And his views were not always popular; "abnormal and unnatural" was how the first Prime Minister of independent India, Jawaharlal Nehru, described Gandhi's advice to newlyweds to stay celibate for the sake of their souls.

But was there something more complex than a pious plea for chastity at play in Gandhi's beliefs, preachings and even his unusual personal practices (which included, alongside his famed chastity, sleeping naked next to nubile, naked women to test his restraint)? In the course of researching my new book on Gandhi, going through a hundred volumes of his complete works and many tomes of eye-witness material, details 

became apparent which add up to a more bizarre sexual history.

 

Much of this material was known during his lifetime, but was distorted or suppressed after his death during the process of elevating Gandhi into the "Father of the Nation" Was the Mahatma, in fact, as the pre-independence prime minister of the Indian state of Travancore called him, "a most dangerous, semi-repressed sex maniac"?

 

 

Gandhi was born in the Indian state of Gujarat and married at 13 in 1883; his wife Kasturba was 14, not early by the standards of Gujarat at that time. The young couple had a normal sex life, sharing a bed in a separate room in his family home, and Kasturba was soon pregnant.

Two years later, as his father lay dying, Gandhi left his bedside to have sex with Kasturba. Meanwhile, his father drew his last breath. The young man compounded his grief with guilt that he had not been present, and represented his subsequent revulsion towards "lustful love" as being related to his father's death.

However, Gandhi and Kasturba's last child wasn't born until fifteen years later, in 1900.

In fact, Gandhi did not develop his censorious attitude to sex (and certainly not to marital sex) until he was in his thirties, while a volunteer in the ambulance corps, assisting the British Empire in its wars in Southern Africa. On long marches in sparsely populated land in the Boer War and the Zulu uprisings, Gandhi considered how he could best "give service" to humanity and decided it must be by embracing poverty and chastity.

 

At the age of 38, in 1906, he took a vow of brahmacharya, which meant living a spiritual life but is normally referred to as chastity, without which such a life is deemed impossible by Hindus.

Gandhi found it easy to embrace poverty. It was chastity that eluded him. So he worked out a series of complex rules which meant he could say he was chaste while still engaging in the most explicit sexual conversation, letters and behaviour.

 

With the zeal of the convert, within a year of his vow, he told readers of his newspaper Indian Opinion: "It is the duty of every thoughtful Indian not to marry. In case he is helpless in regard to marriage, he should abstain from sexual intercourse with his wife."

Meanwhile, Gandhi was challenging that abstinence in his own way. He set up ashrams in which he began his first "experiments" with sex; boys and girls were to bathe and sleep together, chastely, but were punished for any sexual talk. Men and women were segregated, and Gandhi's advice was that husbands should not be alone with their wives, and, when they felt passion, should take a cold bath.

The rules did not, however, apply to him. Sushila Nayar, the attractive sister of Gandhi's secretary, also his personal physician, attended Gandhi from girlhood. She used to sleep and bathe with Gandhi. When challenged, he explained how he ensured decency was not offended. "While she is bathing I keep my eyes tightly shut," he said, "I do not know ... whether she bathes naked or with her underwear on. I can tell from the sound that she uses soap." The provision of such personal services to Gandhi was a much sought-after sign of his favour and aroused jealousy among the ashram inmates.

 

As he grew older (and following Kasturba's death) he was to have more women around him and would oblige women to sleep with him whom – according to his segregated ashram rules – were forbidden to sleep with their own husbands. Gandhi would have women in his bed, engaging in his "experiments" which seem to have been, from a reading of his letters, an exercise in strip-tease or other non-contact sexual activity. Much explicit material has been destroyed but tantalising remarks in Gandhi's letters remain such as: "Vina's sleeping with me might be called an accident. All that can be said is that she slept close to me." One might assume, then, that getting into the spirit of the Gandhian experiment meant something more than just sleeping close to him.

It can't, one imagines, can have helped with the "involuntary discharges" which Gandhi complained of experiencing more frequently since his return to India. He had an almost magical belief in the power of semen: "One who conserves his vital fluid acquires unfailing power," he said.

Meanwhile, it seemed that challenging times required greater efforts of spiritual fortitude, and for that, more attractive women were required: Sushila, who in 1947 was 33, was now due to be supplanted in the bed of the 77-year-old Gandhi by a woman almost half her age. While in Bengal to see what comfort he could offer in times of inter-communal violence in the run-up to independence, Gandhi called for his 18-year-old grandniece Manu to join him – and sleep with him. "We both may be killed by the Muslims," he told her, "and must put our purity to the ultimate test, so that we know that we are offering the purest of sacrifices, and we should now both start sleeping naked."

Such behaviour was no part of the accepted practice of bramacharya. He, by now, described his reinvented concept of a brahmachari as: "One who never has any lustful intention, who, by constant attendance upon God, has become proof against conscious or unconscious emissions, who is capable of lying naked with naked women, however beautiful, without being in any manner whatsoever sexually excited ... who is making daily and steady progress towards God and whose every act is done in pursuance of that end and no other." That is, he could do whatever he wished, so long as there was no apparent "lustful intention". He had effectively redefined the concept of chastity to fit his personal practices.

Thus far, his reasoning was spiritual, but in the maelstrom that was India approaching independence he took it upon himself to see his sex experiments as having national importance: "I hold that true service of the country demands this observance," he stated.

But while he was becoming bolder in his self-righteousness, Gandhi's behaviour was widely discussed and criticised by family members and leading politicians. Some members of his staff resigned, including two editors of his newspaper who left after refusing to print parts of Gandhi's sermons dealing with his sleeping arrangements.

 

But Gandhi found a way of regarding the objections as a further reason tocontinue. "If I don't let Manu sleep with me, though I regard it as essential that she should," he announced, "wouldn't that be a sign of weakness in me?"

Eighteen-year-old Abha, the wife of Gandhi's grandnephew Kanu Gandhi, rejoined Gandhi's entourage in the run-up to independence in 1947 and by the end of August he was sleeping with both Manu and Abha at the same time.

When he was assassinated in January 1948, it was with Manu and Abha by his side. Despite her having been his constant companion in his last years, family members, tellingly, removed Manu from the scene. Gandhi had written to his son: "I have asked her to write about her sharing the bed with me," but the protectors of his image were eager to eliminate this element of the great leader's life. Devdas, Gandhi's son, accompanied Manu to Delhi station where he took the opportunity of instructing her to keep quiet.

 

Questioned in the 1970s, Sushila revealingly placed the elevation of this lifestyle to a brahmacharya experiment was a response to criticism of this behaviour. "Later on, when people started asking questions about his physical contact with women – with Manu, with Abha, with me – the idea of brahmacharya experiments was developed ... in the early days, there was no question of calling this a brahmacharya experiment." It seems that Gandhi lived as he wished, and only when challenged did he turn his own preferences into a cosmic system of rewards and benefits. Like many great men, Gandhi made up the rules as he went along.

While it was commonly discussed as damaging his reputation when he was alive, Gandhi's sexual behaviour was ignored for a long time after his death. It is only now that we can piece together information for a rounded picture of Gandhi's excessive self-belief in the power of his own sexuality. Tragically for him, he was already being sidelined by the politicians at the time of independence. The preservation of his vital fluid did not keep India intact, and it was the power-brokers of the Congress Party who negotiated the terms of India's freedom.

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The hidden side of Gandhi: 10 startling revelations on the sex life of ‘Father of the Nation’

 

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Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, popularly known as Mahatma Gandhi, is one of the most revered personalities in modern India, with his lessons on non-violence still relevant in modern days.

Gandhi’s life has acted as a role model to many present day leaders across the world, including the incumbent President of United States of America Barack Obama.

Today, he is hailed as the ‘Father of the Nation’ in a country of 1.25 billion plus people.

His birth date, October 02, is celebrated as Gandhi Jayanti and is a national holiday. Liquor shops remain shut across the nation on the day, as Gandhi was against consumption of liquor. His homeland, Gujarat, is a ‘dry state’, with complete ban on liquor sale and consumption.

His smiling spectacled face image is printed on every currency note India’s central banker prints.

Hundreds of roads, schools, colleges, buildings, government schemes etc are named after him by different state and central governments.

While Gandhi’s public life remains an inspiration for many, his personal life remains a subject of living room gossip.

Not much is known about Gandhi’s personal life, except a few hints on his experiments with sex and sleeping with naked women.

However, a book titled ‘Gandhi: Naked Ambition’, published in the year 2012, carries some startling revelations about the personal life of Father of the Nation.

The book quotes the pre-independence Prime Minister of the Indian state of Travancore as having called him “a most dangerous, semi-repressed sex maniac”.

The book said that it was a known fact that Gandhi had an unusual sex life, and revealed that “much of this (Gandhi’s sex life)  material was known during his lifetime, but was distorted or suppressed after his death during the process of elevating Gandhi into the “Father of the Nation””

Here are some excerpts from the book which detail Gandhi’s experiment with sex and women:

1. In 1885, as his father lay dying, Gandhi left his bedside to have sex with Kasturba. Meanwhile, his father drew his last breath. Though, later he felt guilty that he had not been present and displayed revulsion towards “lustful love”.

2. Gandhi set up ashrams in which he began his first “experiments” with sex. Boys and girls were to bathe and sleep together, chastely, but were punished for any sexual talk. Moreover, he segregated the men and women. Gandhi further advised that husbands should not be alone with their wives, and, when they felt passion, should take a cold bath.

3. Sushila Nayar, the attractive sister of Gandhi’s secretary, used to sleep and bathe with Gandhi since girlhood. When challenged, he explained how he ensured decency was not offended.

“While she is bathing I keep my eyes tightly shut,” he said, “I do not know … whether she bathes naked or with her underwear on. I can tell from the sound that she uses soap.”

4. Following Kasturba’s death, Mahatma used to have more women around him. He used to oblige women to sleep with him whom – according to his segregated ashram rules – were forbidden to sleep with their own husbands.

5. Much explicit material has been destroyed but tantalising remarks in Gandhi’s letters remain, such as: “Vina’s sleeping with me might be called an accident. All that can be said is that she slept close to me.”

6. Gandhi complained of experiencing “involuntary discharges” more frequently since his return to India. He had an almost magical belief in the power of semen: “One who conserves his vital fluid acquires unfailing power,” he said.

7. In 1947, Sushila (33) was replaced by Gandhi’s 18-year-old grand niece Manu in the bed of the 77-year-old Gandhi.

“We both may be killed by the Muslims,” he told her, “and must put our purity to the ultimate test, so that we know that we are offering the purest of sacrifices, and we should now both start sleeping naked.”

8. Gandhi described his reinvented concept of a brahmachari as:

“One who never has any lustful intention, who, by constant attendance upon God, has become proof against conscious or unconscious emissions, who is capable of lying naked with naked women, however beautiful, without being in any manner whatsoever sexually excited … who is making daily and steady progress towards God and whose every act is done in pursuance of that end and no other.”

9. Eighteen-year-old Abha, the wife of Gandhi’s grand nephew Kanu Gandhi, rejoined Gandhi’s entourage in freedom struggle in 1947. By the end of August, he was sleeping with both Manu and Abha at the same time.

10. Despite her having been his constant companion in his last years, family members, tellingly, removed Manu from the scene. Gandhi had written to his son: “I have asked her to write about her sharing the bed with me,” but the protectors of his image were eager to eliminate this element of the great leader’s life.

Concluding the entire discourse on Gandhi’s personal life the author opined, “It seems that Gandhi lived as he wished, and only when challenged did he turn his own preferences into a cosmic system of rewards and benefits. Like many great men, Gandhi made up the rules as he went along.”

 

[puzzled]

most of this info was hidden and suppressed by the politicians who decided to make gandhi into the "father of the nation"   indians never saw him as that but it was pushed onto them    his birthday became a public holiday, txt books became full of him and every government building had.has a portrait hanging of him    it was a carefully/crafted image of him which was made into the father of the nation   for whatever reason i dnt know    i guess a new independent india needed a figure head for the country     in the process all this messed up "experiment with the truth" was hidden and discarded     but for many years now stuff has been revealed about this pervert     

he also was a racist and believed africa should remain under white occupation 

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

most of this info was hidden and suppressed by the politicians who decided to make gandhi into the "father of the nation"   indians never saw him as that but it was pushed onto them    his birthday became a public holiday, txt books became full of him and every government building had.has a portrait hanging of him    it was a carefully/crafted image of him which was made into the father of the nation   for whatever reason i dnt know    i guess a new independent india needed a figure head for the country     in the process all this messed up "experiment with the truth" was hidden and discarded     but for many years now stuff has been revealed about this pervert     

he also was a racist and believed africa should remain under white occupation 

interesting he decided to be a brahamchari and was still receiving love letters to a german guy . He played both sides and also was an s-xaddict

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16 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

love letters to a german guy

i thought that was just a rumour      so other than being a pervert he also swung both ways

he was a perv   he used to experiment by getting young men and women to shower together but tell them not to do anything.  he then used to get into bed naked with naked women half his age to see if he can resist it. 

he also left his dying father who do it with his wife      he then became guilty and blamed s3x and his wife    

its also strange because he saw the hindu/muslim violence in india as a result of his impurity  and thats when he start sleeping with his grandniece to purify his thoughts and end the hindu/muslim violence!

you cant get any nuttier than that!

they could make one of those low budget cheap horror movies about this   like the "human centipede" type of movies 

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Many years later, as Hindu-Muslims riots rocked the southern Noakhali district of the state of Bengal on the eve of India's independence, Gandhi undertook a controversial experiment. He asked his grandniece and ardent devotee, Manu Gandhi, to join him in the bed he slept in.

"He was seeking to test, or further test, his conquest of sexual desire," Guha writes.

Image copyrightFOX PHOTOS/GETTY IMAGES Image captionSome of Gandhi's closest aides - such as his associate Sushila Ben (L) and his doctor, Sheila Nayar (R) - were women

Somehow, according to his biographer, Gandhi felt that the "rise of religious violence was connected to his own failure to become a perfect brahmachari [celibate]". Gandhi, who campaigned all his life for interfaith harmony, was appalled by the violence breaking out between Hindus and Muslims in the run up to independence from Britain.

"The connection was a leap of faith, an abdication of reason and perhaps also an expression of egotism. He had come round to the view that the violence around him was in part a product or consequence of the imperfections within him," Guha writes.

Gandhi faced a lot of opposition when he told his associates about the "experiment". They warned him it would soil his reputation and that he should abandon it. One associate said it was both "puzzling and indefensible". Another quit working with Gandhi in protest.

Guha writes that one needs to look beyond "rationalist or instrumental explanations of why men behave as they do" to understand this strange experiment.

For some 40 years by then, Gandhi had been obsessed with celibacy. "Now at the end of his own life, with his dream of an united India in ruins, Gandhi was attributing the imperfections of society to the imperfections of the society's most influential leader, namely himself".

A close associate and admirer of Gandhi later wrote to a friend that from a study of the leader's writings, he found that he "represented a hard, puritanical form of self-discipline, something which we usually associate with medieval Christian ascetics or Jain recluses".

Image captionGandhi was 13 when he married Kasturba (left), and 38 when he took a vow of celibacy

Historian Patrick French has written that although some of Gandhi's unconventional ideas were rooted in ancient Hindu philosophy, "he was more tellingly a figure of the late Victorian age, both in his puritanism, and in his kooky theories about health, diet and communal living".

Clearly, Gandhi's attitudes to women were complex and contradictory.

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Gandhi believed husband/wife should live like brother and sister

 

Vital Fluid

The personal/private life of public figures should not be discussed unless it seriously interferes with their work or poses danger to the nation. But in this article, a few of Gandhi’s sexual eccentricities have been discussed for two reasons: they seriously interfered with India’s freedom movement against the British rule, and, that Gandhi openly wrote about and explored his sexual life.

Different people have different sexual fantasies; there is nothing wrong with that – as long as they are not forced on unwilling or minor partners. Most men are visual animals where female physique is involved. Gandhi was no different. He liked women too. He was a celebrity whose company and intimacy many women and girls coveted and fought to get.

Sarladevi Chaudhrani (the poet Rabindranath Tagore’s niece whom Gandhi considered his “spiritual wife”); Esther Faering, a Christian missionary from Denmark (Gandhi called “Dear Child”); and Madeleine Slade, a Britisher who joined the Indian freedom movement, (Gandhi’s Indian name for her was Mirabehn) were such examples.

But Gandhi had two serious psychological and sexual problems that probably originated from an incident in his early married life:

Gandhi and his wife Kasturbai were just 13 when they got married. Three years later, one night, when his father was very sick, Gandhi left him to enjoy conjugal life with his pregnant wife. His father died the same night. Not long after, Kasturbai gave birth to a stillborn. (Subsequently, she gave birth to four sons who all survived.) Gandhi had like a normal 16 year old succumbed to his sexual urge. However, that night was mentally devastating for Gandhi and drowned him in an ocean of guilt the rest of his life. In 1906, Gandhi took a vow to abstain from sex, to embrace celibacy or Brahmacharya.

Another serious problem Gandhi dealt with was a result of his philosophy on sex. For him, the purpose of sexual activity was to produce children and should not be indulged for enjoyment. He advised married couple to live as brothers and sisters. He advised all Indians: “It is the duty of every thoughtful Indian not to marry. In case he is helpless in regard to marriage, he should abstain from sexual intercourse with his wife.”

Some couples heeded his advice. One of them was Narayan (socialist leader Jayaprakash and his wife Prabhavati, a Sabarmati “graduate”). She took part in Gandhi’s Brahmacharya experiment by sleeping with him.

One who didn’t listen to Gandhi’s advice was Vijaya Lakshmi Nehru Pandit (Motilal’s daughter and Jawaharlal’s sister). She was a Hindu Brahmin in love with Syed Mahmood, the Muslim editor of her father’s newspaper. But she could not marry him due to family objections. Mehmood was asked to leave India. Gandhi was invited to the Nehru family home. He came and took her with him to the Sabarmati Ashram and married her off to a wealthy Brahmin Ranjit Sitaram Pandit. She questioned Gandhi’s logic to live as brother and sister. Gandhi was usually very strict, but not with her, as he did not stop her in enjoying her married life.

Gandhi considered semen a “vital fluid,” something that was not to be wasted. (Many societies consider preservation of semen as important.) Gandhi believed, “One who conserves his vital fluid acquires unfailing power.”

He tried to control his sexual feelings and conducted various “experiments” with young girls and women. These were exercises to control his member from rising in presence of clothed and unclothed women. But male members, i.e. male organs have their own personality and nature, mostly beyond control of their possessors. This was the case with Gandhi. Gandhi always failed. Gandhi-ling always won.

 

Averse to climax

Gandhi never achieved the perfect-hood he was longing for. He also did not allow many of his projects: small or large, public or personal to reach their climax or satisfactory completion. One gets the impression Gandhi was averse to achieving climax and zenith of projects, just as he was of achieving personal orgasm, irrespective of whether the projects were political or humanitarian, social or sexual.

Here are a few examples:

Sushila Nay

In 1920, Gandhi had asked Sushila’s mother to gift her 6 year old daughter to him. After finishing her studies, she came to Sabarmati Ashram (commune) in Ahmedabad to serve Gandhi as his personal doctor. Sushila said she slept with Gandhi like she would sleep with her mother. She wrote there were other girls and women also who would physically sleep with Gandhi in the same bed.

When Gandhi came under attack for his relation with Sushila Nayar he didn’t deny his relations with her, but defended himself:

“While she is bathing, I keep my eyes tightly shut.” “I do not know the manner of her bathing, whether she bathes naked or with her underwear on. I can tell from the sound that she uses soap. I have seen no part of her body that everyone here will not have seen.”

One wonders why not leave her alone rather than sit there with closed eyes? And if he is there and Sushila knows it, then why shut out that sight? Why not enjoy her beauty and appreciate the aesthetic value of it? It may have enhanced pleasure for both. Why leave it halfway? Why not push it to the peak. (Or was Gandhi getting his kicks from the sound of the soap as he termed it?)

Gandhi used to take bath in front of women. The women who slept near him included Amala or Margarete Spiegel (a German Jew, Rajkumari (Princess) Amrit Kaur (a Christian with Sikh roots), Om (daughter of Janakidevi and Jamnalal Bajaj), Bibi Amtus Salam (a Muslim from aristocratic family), and Vasumati Pandit.

 

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The film Gandhi which was instrumental in making into a saint in western eyes was financed  by the Indian government. By the late 70s apart from a few hippies, India had stopped being viewed as a country governed by a highly moral and ethical government especially as it tested a nuclear weapon and after the emergency. So for Indira Gandhi the film came as a godsend and  for Richard Attenborough the financial investment by the Indian govt allowed him to make the film and he followed his master's instructions and made a film which  glossed over Gandhi's racism and his sexual deviancy. In the film he is shown as fighting against the South African governments racist policies but in reality he was fighting for the Indians to be given equal rights with the whites and not for ALL to have the same rights. He wanted the Africans to still be treated as second class citizens. One of his so-called agitations was for Indians to be allowed to use the same door as the whites in the post office and not the same door as the Africans! 

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[puzzled]

1 hour ago, proactive said:

The film Gandhi which was instrumental in making into a saint in western eyes was financed  by the Indian government. By the late 70s apart from a few hippies, India had stopped being viewed as a country governed by a highly moral and ethical government especially as it tested a nuclear weapon and after the emergency. So for Indira Gandhi the film came as a godsend and  for Richard Attenborough the financial investment by the Indian govt allowed him to make the film and he followed his master's instructions and made a film which  glossed over Gandhi's racism and his sexual deviancy. In the film he is shown as fighting against the South African governments racist policies but in reality he was fighting for the Indians to be given equal rights with the whites and not for ALL to have the same rights. He wanted the Africans to still be treated as second class citizens. One of his so-called agitations was for Indians to be allowed to use the same door as the whites in the post office and not the same door as the Africans! 

That movie was really boring and I think it won Oscars !  Makes sense how india got them to make that movie.

Yh Gandhi used to call black people kafirs! In south africa kafir is a really racist word used against black people   and Gandhi started it. 

What about how india got the uk to get statues of gandhi made and planted them in london? I think there is one in Trafalgar square and another 1   I think it was part of weapon deal?