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What’s the difference between the Sikh farmers and the luddites we had in the UK who didn’t want their mills change. 
there were alot of Ludditues who lost their homes but the government decision  saved millions of jobs and improve the economy overall ??

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sikh farmers aren't anti-techonology and farmining is not analogous to textile production, for a start.

in what kind of democracy can the government force agriculture landowners to act a certain way?  that sounds like some kind of communism.

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Yes I didn’t mean exactly, but they seem to be against progress. I’m being the devils advocate here, I fully appreciate that their are families in Punjab that will lose out big time with this new law of Dehli however it does beg the question:

there are lots of current issues Punjab, there is a lot of waste of crop due to the current farming method. In a country with hundreds of millions under the poverty line this is unacceptable.

two there are dozens of suicides every year due to the pressure the Punjabi farmers face, not to mention all the depression and stress. 
 

surely this new proposal will help ?

and to your point about communism, on the contrary this is capitalism through and through which is global.

 

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4 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Yes I didn’t mean exactly, but they seem to be against progress. I’m being the devils advocate here, I fully appreciate that their are families in Punjab that will lose out big time with this new law of Dehli however it does beg the question:

there are lots of current issues Punjab, there is a lot of waste of crop due to the current farming method. In a country with hundreds of millions under the poverty line this is unacceptable.

two there are dozens of suicides every year due to the pressure the Punjabi farmers face, not to mention all the depression and stress. 
 

surely this new proposal will help ?

and to your point about communism, on the contrary this is capitalism through and through which is global.

 

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Every developed nation has subsidies for farmers as there is a realisation of the importance of food security. The European Union has had a Common Agricultural policy for decades giving (often inappropriate) subsidies for food production similar in the USA where the system creates a need to use corn for everything and anything. This all seems senseless for the uneducated observer , but these subsidies exist for an important reason. They protect a nation, ultimately, from being held to ransom, they protect against famine, they are essential. The moves by India will ultimately eliminate subsidies and support- a market this free from restriction is not even acceptable in the West, and this is for good reason- its an experiment that will fail and claim many lives in the long term and short. 

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On 12/30/2020 at 1:28 AM, Guest Guest said:

Yes I didn’t mean exactly, but they seem to be against progress. I’m being the devils advocate here, I fully appreciate that their are families in Punjab that will lose out big time with this new law of Dehli however it does beg the question:

there are lots of current issues Punjab, there is a lot of waste of crop due to the current farming method. In a country with hundreds of millions under the poverty line this is unacceptable.

two there are dozens of suicides every year due to the pressure the Punjabi farmers face, not to mention all the depression and stress. 
 

surely this new proposal will help ?

and to your point about communism, on the contrary this is capitalism through and through which is global.

 

capitalism means you have a CHOICE what to do with your private land.  not the government enforcing something.  democracy implies your rights as a private citizen are respected, not traded off for corporate/government profits. 

how does not wanting your land seized equate to anti-progress? 

would you like the government to turn up tomorrow and grab a piece of your own home for a corporate enterprise to use at a reduced rate without your consent or choice?  after all, that would be progress- better economic use of space in your home...

the suicides are due to debt (they try and escape the financial consequences to their family from debt default by suicide).  there is also a high suicide rate with UK farmers.  this new government legislation is not a remedy for that problem.  please explain how this will help?  seizing their ;and/wealth will make the farmers feel happy?

 

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On 12/31/2020 at 5:32 AM, Guest liddar-ite said:

Every developed nation has subsidies for farmers as there is a realisation of the importance of food security. The European Union has had a Common Agricultural policy for decades giving (often inappropriate) subsidies for food production similar in the USA where the system creates a need to use corn for everything and anything. This all seems senseless for the uneducated observer , but these subsidies exist for an important reason. They protect a nation, ultimately, from being held to ransom, they protect against famine, they are essential. The moves by India will ultimately eliminate subsidies and support- a market this free from restriction is not even acceptable in the West, and this is for good reason- its an experiment that will fail and claim many lives in the long term and short. 

True there is a reason the major developed nations have subsides for farmers. India used to import food. USA had to give Food aid to india back in the day. that is how back it was before the green revolution and Minimum price. If they don't take back the bills then the farmer wont starve to death but i am sure india will face a food shortage and people will die as a result.

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