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Pronunciation of Chhachha / CHH / sha /PH /Fa


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Would really appreciate if anyone could please help me. I've been paying attention to pronunciations and really confused with the following. In some audio, when i listen to Gurmukhi /  paath, they pronounce CHH with SHH (Sasa pair bindee) same with PH phapha without bindee they pronounce (Fa)

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^In BOS video, Bhai Jagraj Singh Ji mentions with CHH but some say with 'SHH' in other Gurmukhi videos i seen

 

 is it (umbrella) Chhatri with pronunciation  CHH) or some say with 'SHHATRI' 

Chhe (Six) or 'Shh'e .......

Chhote (younger) or 'Shh'ote ..............

 

Same confusion with Phapha PH....without Bindee some say 'Faffa'

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Phal (Fruit)  or 'fa'al

Phull (Flower) or 'Fhull 

 

Thank You

 

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4 hours ago, intrigued said:

Chhachhaa is a heavier version of chacha. The primary sound of chhachha is not shh. Phaphha is with a ph sound not f.

Its the primary sound chhachha but yet i hear shh.. when listening to audio or other speaking..

Do you have examples audio preferably how to pronounce it correctly. Its been driving me crazy not knowing how the correct pronunciation. 

How do you say Chhatri  ...i've heard only 'Shharti' from everyone and thats i how say it

also with 

Chhe (Six) or 'Shh'e .......?

Chhote (younger) or 'Shh'ote?

Much appreciated if anyone could please help me 

 

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Some people have a more emphasis on the hh instead of the Ch, creating a sh sound. Try to see if anyone in ur area teaches santhiya, and start with baal updesh to get the proper pronunciation.

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24 minutes ago, intrigued said:

 

 

At 2:00 she gives clear example of 'CHH'......

This has been driving me up the wall far last week i had arguments with some fam members who pronounce as 'SHH' and think i've got it all wrong.

Was getting confused because sometimes when listening to paath, some audio they say it had 'Shh' and Ph as 'Fa'

But i will from now on pronounce as primary sound CHH and Ph

Thanks you for your help! Really appreciate it. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

This has been driving me up the wall far last week i had arguments with some fam members who pronounce as 'SHH' and think i've got it all wrong.

Just like there is different accents for English, there are slight variances in the speaking. In Gurmukhi, its best to follow the santhiya as it is the most reliable source

 

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9 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

At 2:00 she gives clear example of 'CHH'......

This has been driving me up the wall far last week i had arguments with some fam members who pronounce as 'SHH' and think i've got it all wrong.

Was getting confused because sometimes when listening to paath, some audio they say it had 'Shh' and Ph as 'Fa'

But i will from now on pronounce as primary sound CHH and Ph

Thanks you for your help! Really appreciate it. 

 

I could be wrong but I think depending on the dialect of Punjabi we speak it slightly changes some of the sounds of some of the akhars. I pronounce it as Shh as well, so do my parents. 

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1 hour ago, puzzled said:

I could be wrong but I think depending on the dialect of Punjabi we speak it slightly changes some of the sounds of some of the akhars. I pronounce it as Shh as well, so do my parents. 

Same with my mum she says as Shh and we keep having heated discussions...She's also born studied India..and thinks d videos i show her have got it wrong ...im going to follow the santhiya 

so with these 3 words do you say with Shh

Chhatri  ...i've heard only and said 'Shharti' ...

Chhe (Six) or 'Shh'e .......?

Chhote (younger) or 'Shh'ote?

 

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40 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

so with these 3 words do you say with Shh

Chhatri  ...i've heard only and said 'Shharti' ...

Chhe (Six) or 'Shh'e .......?

Chhote (younger) or 'Shh'ote?

All three I have only said with Chh

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1 hour ago, Kau89r8 said:

Same with my mum she says as Shh and we keep having heated discussions...She's also born studied India..and thinks d videos i show her have got it wrong ...im going to follow the santhiya 

so with these 3 words do you say with Shh

Chhatri  ...i've heard only and said 'Shharti' ...

Chhe (Six) or 'Shh'e .......?

Chhote (younger) or 'Shh'ote?

 

Yeah same, my parents and I don't say "chhote" as smaller, but we say "shhotte"   

I can pronounce it as "chhote" but it feels unnatural lol 

Same with the other two. 

I think it depends on which dialect of Punjabi you speak in.

 

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19 hours ago, puzzled said:

Yeah same, my parents and I don't say "chhote" as smaller, but we say "shhotte"   

I can pronounce it as "chhote" but it feels unnatural lol 

Same with the other two. 

I think it depends on which dialect of Punjabi you speak in.

 

Same feels so unnatural too..but i'v been saying it repeatedly, then later when i test myself still manage to say 'Ssh'...but getting used to saying' chh' However what feels wrong is 'Chhatt' - Roof...'Shhatt sounds right not Chhatt..

Idk about dialect, because when you say 'CHH' you're  bringing your tounge top of the palate and lot more breathe then SHH. my mum is firm its always been 'sha' ...listening to Paath, some audio sounds like 'Chh' others 'sha'

What about Phapha and Fafa.......most Phapha i hear pronounce as 'fafa'..like 

Phal - (Fruit( always said Fhaul and Phull (Flower) - as Fhull 

 

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20 hours ago, intrigued said:

All three I have only said with Chh

Chhatt (Roof) ? Feels natural to say Shhatt sounds more right than Chhatt

Also 

Phapha and Fafa.......most Phapha i hear pronounce as 'fafa'..l

Phal - (Fruit) always said Fhaul and Phull (Flower) - as Fhull .....

 

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The difference between the first ch and second chh is that the second one is what we call 'aspirated'. This just means that air travels through your throat in the second one, whilst it doesn't in the first. 

Say the word 'chips' (note how the focus of the mouth is in the front area)

Now say 'church'  note how you clearly have air forcefully traveling through your throat area to pronounce this. 

That's the difference. 

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