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How much importance is given to the Devi/Devte in Gurbani?

Dasam Patshah says:

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ਕੀਟ ਪਤੰਗ ਕੁਰੰਗ ਭੁਜੰਗਮ ਭੂਤ ਭਵਿੱਖ ਭਵਾਨ ਬਨਾਏ ॥
He Created in the past, creates in the present and shall create in the future the beings including insects, moths, deer and snakes.

ਦੇਵ ਅਦੇਵ ਖਪੇ ਅਹੰਮੇਵ ਨ ਭੇਵ ਲਖਿਓ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਸਿਉ ਭਰਮਾਏ ॥
The gods and demons have been consumed in ego, but could not know the mystery of the Lord, being engrossed in delusion.

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕਤੇਬ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਹਸੇਬ ਥਕੇ ਕਰ ਹਾਥ ਨ ਆਏ ॥
The Vedas, Puranas, Katebs and the Quran have tired of giving His account, but the Lord could not be comprehended.

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ਦੇਹਰਾ ਮਸੀਤ ਸੋਈ ਪੂਜਾ ਔ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਓਈ ਮਾਨਸ ਸਬੈ ਏਕ ਪੈ ਅਨੇਕ ਕੋ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਉ ਹੈ ॥
The temple and the mosque are the same, there is no difference between a Hindu worship and Muslim prayer all the human beings are the same, but the illusion is of various types.

ਦੇਵਤਾ ਅਦੇਵ ਜੱਛ ਗੰਧ੍ਰਬ ਤੁਰਕ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਦੇਸਨ ਕੇ ਭੇਸ ਕੋ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਉ ਹੈ ॥
The gods, demons, Yakshas, Gandharvas, Turks and Hindus… all these are due to the differences of the various garbs of different countries.

ਏਕੈ ਨੈਨ ਏਕੈ ਕਾਨ ਏਕੈ ਦੇਹ ਏਕੈ ਬਾਨ ਖਾਕ ਬਾਦ ਆਤਸ ਔ ਆਬ ਕੋ ਰਲਾਉ ਹੈ ॥
The eyes are the same, the ears the same, the bodies are the same and the habits are the same, all the creation is the amalgam of earth, air, fire and water.

ਅਲਹ ਅਭੇਖ ਸੋਈ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਔ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਓਈ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਸਰੂਪ ਸਭੈ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਬਨਾਉ ਹੈ ॥੧੬॥੮੬॥
Allah of Muslims and Abhekh (Guiseless) of Hindus are the same, the Puranas of Hindus and the holy Quran of the Muslims depict the same reality all have been created in the image of the same Lord and have the same formation. 16.86.

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ਸਾਧ ਕਰਮ ਜੇ ਪੁਰਖ ਕਮਾਵੈ ॥
Because of virtuous actions

ਨਾਮ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਜਗਤ ਕਹਾਵੈ ॥
A purusha (person) is known as devta (god)

ਕੁਕ੍ਰਿਤ ਕਰਮ ਜੇ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਕਰਹੀਂ ॥
And because of evil actions

ਨਾਮ ਅਸੁਰ ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਸਭ ਧਰਹੀਂ ॥੧੫॥
He is known as asura (demon).15.

 

What are your thoughts? Do we give any importance to them?

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1 hour ago, intrigued said:

How much importance is given to the Devi/Devte in Gurbani?

Dasam Patshah says:

http://sttm.co/s/7438/76000

ਕੀਟ ਪਤੰਗ ਕੁਰੰਗ ਭੁਜੰਗਮ ਭੂਤ ਭਵਿੱਖ ਭਵਾਨ ਬਨਾਏ ॥
He Created in the past, creates in the present and shall create in the future the beings including insects, moths, deer and snakes.

ਦੇਵ ਅਦੇਵ ਖਪੇ ਅਹੰਮੇਵ ਨ ਭੇਵ ਲਖਿਓ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਸਿਉ ਭਰਮਾਏ ॥
The gods and demons have been consumed in ego, but could not know the mystery of the Lord, being engrossed in delusion.

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕਤੇਬ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਹਸੇਬ ਥਕੇ ਕਰ ਹਾਥ ਨ ਆਏ ॥
The Vedas, Puranas, Katebs and the Quran have tired of giving His account, but the Lord could not be comprehended.

http://sttm.co/s/7429/75375

ਦੇਹਰਾ ਮਸੀਤ ਸੋਈ ਪੂਜਾ ਔ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਓਈ ਮਾਨਸ ਸਬੈ ਏਕ ਪੈ ਅਨੇਕ ਕੋ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਉ ਹੈ ॥
The temple and the mosque are the same, there is no difference between a Hindu worship and Muslim prayer all the human beings are the same, but the illusion is of various types.

ਦੇਵਤਾ ਅਦੇਵ ਜੱਛ ਗੰਧ੍ਰਬ ਤੁਰਕ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਦੇਸਨ ਕੇ ਭੇਸ ਕੋ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਉ ਹੈ ॥
The gods, demons, Yakshas, Gandharvas, Turks and Hindus… all these are due to the differences of the various garbs of different countries.

ਏਕੈ ਨੈਨ ਏਕੈ ਕਾਨ ਏਕੈ ਦੇਹ ਏਕੈ ਬਾਨ ਖਾਕ ਬਾਦ ਆਤਸ ਔ ਆਬ ਕੋ ਰਲਾਉ ਹੈ ॥
The eyes are the same, the ears the same, the bodies are the same and the habits are the same, all the creation is the amalgam of earth, air, fire and water.

ਅਲਹ ਅਭੇਖ ਸੋਈ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਔ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਓਈ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਸਰੂਪ ਸਭੈ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਬਨਾਉ ਹੈ ॥੧੬॥੮੬॥
Allah of Muslims and Abhekh (Guiseless) of Hindus are the same, the Puranas of Hindus and the holy Quran of the Muslims depict the same reality all have been created in the image of the same Lord and have the same formation. 16.86.

http://sttm.co/s/7468/76600

ਸਾਧ ਕਰਮ ਜੇ ਪੁਰਖ ਕਮਾਵੈ ॥
Because of virtuous actions

ਨਾਮ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਜਗਤ ਕਹਾਵੈ ॥
A purusha (person) is known as devta (god)

ਕੁਕ੍ਰਿਤ ਕਰਮ ਜੇ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਕਰਹੀਂ ॥
And because of evil actions

ਨਾਮ ਅਸੁਰ ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਸਭ ਧਰਹੀਂ ॥੧੫॥
He is known as asura (demon).15.

 

What are your thoughts? Do we give any importance to them?

In terms of Mukte? Not at all. 

In terms of the world story? Praiseworthy even by Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaja's standards. 

I wouldn't want to be one. I'd rather be Das. 

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2 hours ago, intrigued said:

How much importance is given to the Devi/Devte in Gurbani?

Dasam Patshah says:

http://sttm.co/s/7438/76000

ਕੀਟ ਪਤੰਗ ਕੁਰੰਗ ਭੁਜੰਗਮ ਭੂਤ ਭਵਿੱਖ ਭਵਾਨ ਬਨਾਏ ॥
He Created in the past, creates in the present and shall create in the future the beings including insects, moths, deer and snakes.

ਦੇਵ ਅਦੇਵ ਖਪੇ ਅਹੰਮੇਵ ਨ ਭੇਵ ਲਖਿਓ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਸਿਉ ਭਰਮਾਏ ॥
The gods and demons have been consumed in ego, but could not know the mystery of the Lord, being engrossed in delusion.

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕਤੇਬ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਹਸੇਬ ਥਕੇ ਕਰ ਹਾਥ ਨ ਆਏ ॥
The Vedas, Puranas, Katebs and the Quran have tired of giving His account, but the Lord could not be comprehended.

http://sttm.co/s/7429/75375

ਦੇਹਰਾ ਮਸੀਤ ਸੋਈ ਪੂਜਾ ਔ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਓਈ ਮਾਨਸ ਸਬੈ ਏਕ ਪੈ ਅਨੇਕ ਕੋ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਉ ਹੈ ॥
The temple and the mosque are the same, there is no difference between a Hindu worship and Muslim prayer all the human beings are the same, but the illusion is of various types.

ਦੇਵਤਾ ਅਦੇਵ ਜੱਛ ਗੰਧ੍ਰਬ ਤੁਰਕ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਦੇਸਨ ਕੇ ਭੇਸ ਕੋ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਉ ਹੈ ॥
The gods, demons, Yakshas, Gandharvas, Turks and Hindus… all these are due to the differences of the various garbs of different countries.

ਏਕੈ ਨੈਨ ਏਕੈ ਕਾਨ ਏਕੈ ਦੇਹ ਏਕੈ ਬਾਨ ਖਾਕ ਬਾਦ ਆਤਸ ਔ ਆਬ ਕੋ ਰਲਾਉ ਹੈ ॥
The eyes are the same, the ears the same, the bodies are the same and the habits are the same, all the creation is the amalgam of earth, air, fire and water.

ਅਲਹ ਅਭੇਖ ਸੋਈ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਔ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਓਈ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਸਰੂਪ ਸਭੈ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਬਨਾਉ ਹੈ ॥੧੬॥੮੬॥
Allah of Muslims and Abhekh (Guiseless) of Hindus are the same, the Puranas of Hindus and the holy Quran of the Muslims depict the same reality all have been created in the image of the same Lord and have the same formation. 16.86.

http://sttm.co/s/7468/76600

ਸਾਧ ਕਰਮ ਜੇ ਪੁਰਖ ਕਮਾਵੈ ॥
Because of virtuous actions

ਨਾਮ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਜਗਤ ਕਹਾਵੈ ॥
A purusha (person) is known as devta (god)

ਕੁਕ੍ਰਿਤ ਕਰਮ ਜੇ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਕਰਹੀਂ ॥
And because of evil actions

ਨਾਮ ਅਸੁਰ ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਸਭ ਧਰਹੀਂ ॥੧੫॥
He is known as asura (demon).15.

 

What are your thoughts? Do we give any importance to them?

All it means is that devte and asuras are a creation of the Akaal like everything else.

They have no more or any less importance to Akaal than any other creation.

They are just as flawed as any average human being.

Just focus on your relationship with Waheguru. 

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