Pachi mukte

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

according to gurbilas patshahi dasvin by koer singh, there were 25 mukte after the panj pyare, can anyone find their names?

I think I had their names but I cant seem to find them anywhere 

there is one version of kesar singh chibber that has fourteen i think according to sikhiwiki

and most scholar name only 5 mukte 

while on the topic, can anyone confirm whether the five original nirmala were amritdhari or not

nowadays many chose not to become so and many do 

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

any vichaar? lol 

[intrigued]

I think Khalsa mool mantar may clarify your questions but idk for sure. I think they only mention 5 mukte tho

[intrigued]

Here's a link explaining the Khalsa Mool Mantar - https://www.sikhnet.com/news/mul-mantra-khalsa

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

On 4/23/2021 at 11:50 AM, intrigued said:

I think Khalsa mool mantar may clarify your questions but idk for sure. I think they only mention 5 mukte tho

 

On 4/23/2021 at 2:15 PM, intrigued said:

Here's a link explaining the Khalsa Mool Mantar - https://www.sikhnet.com/news/mul-mantra-khalsa

Dr. Kamalroop Singh does mention 25 mukte but not by name but only briefly refers to gurbilas patshahi dasvin (chibber) 

Wish I can find the source where i first read the 25 singhs but i think i mqy have found the excerpt from gurbilas 

 

 

You can spot names like Ram Singh, Kasmiri Singh, (Roopa?), Bhai Bachitr Singh, Bhai Uday Singh, Kirpa Singh, Sanmukh Singh, Gurmukh Singh

I am not too sure but the list of 25 i remember might have included bhai mani singh and bhai ajab singh, ajaib singh, anik singh too 

Bhai ram singh of the panj mutke is mentioned here, rest would be tahail singh, bhai isher singh, bhai fateh singh, bhai deva singh 

[GurjantGnostic]

Hmm five sets of five. What are the chances each of the Panj Pyare had a set of Panj Singhs assigned to them?

It's a very scalable command structure. 

If continued once more you have 25 sets of five and that's a further 125 Singhs. 

I'd keep the third tier Panj Singhs in groups of 25 still, so you'd have five elements of 30 Singhs serving the Panj Pyare. 

For a total small inner Fauj of 155 Singhs. 

That's nothing to take lightly. Five of the most trusted Gursikhs with five elements of thirty Singhs to dispatch?

We could recreate this over and over. 

If you dispatch thirty, to a location, they could easily train 155 recruits, and leave a functioning 155 Singh Fauj behind them as they leave. Each of the 25 Singhs in the Element would train Panj Singhs, and the Panj Pyare of the Element train the local selected top tier 30. 

Think of that delhi rape scenario. 30 Singhs come and stay for a month and leave 155 Singhs behind. Who continue to train. 

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

46 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Hmm five sets of five. What are the chances each of the Panj Pyare had a set of Panj Singhs assigned to them?

It's a very scalable command structure. 

If continued once more you have 25 sets of five and that's a further 125 Singhs. 

I'd keep the third tier Panj Singhs in groups of 25 still, so you'd have five elements of 30 Singhs serving the Panj Pyare. 

For a total small inner Fauj of 155 Singhs. 

That's nothing to take lightly. Five of the most trusted Gursikhs with five elements of thirty Singhs to dispatch?

We could recreate this over and over. 

If you dispatch thirty, to a location, they could easily train 155 recruits, and leave a functioning 155 Singh Fauj behind them as they leave. Each of the 25 Singhs in the Element would train Panj Singhs, and the Panj Pyare of the Element train the local selected top tier 30. 

Think of that delhi rape scenario. 30 Singhs come and stay for a month and leave 155 Singhs behind. Who continue to train. 

And that is how the khalsa spreads

Didnt Baba banda Singh travel with 25 singhs under command of panj pyare (Baba binod singh, Kahn Singh, Ran Singh, etc. cant remember other two whether Baba baaj singh or fateh singh were pyare) 

I think if im not wrong, those days of Baba Banda Bahadur, five singhs were stationed at every village/town too, which makes sense in case of an morcha by an jarnail, an armed force could be mustered up while traveling like with how thousands joined the jatha of Akali Baba Deep Singh ji Amar shaheed and Shaheed baba Naudh Singh ji enroute to sachkhand sri darbar sahib 

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Hmm five sets of five. What are the chances each of the Panj Pyare had a set of Panj Singhs assigned to them?

It's a very scalable command structure. 

If continued once more you have 25 sets of five and that's a further 125 Singhs. 

I'd keep the third tier Panj Singhs in groups of 25 still, so you'd have five elements of 30 Singhs serving the Panj Pyare. 

For a total small inner Fauj of 155 Singhs. 

That's nothing to take lightly. Five of the most trusted Gursikhs with five elements of thirty Singhs to dispatch?

We could recreate this over and over. 

If you dispatch thirty, to a location, they could easily train 155 recruits, and leave a functioning 155 Singh Fauj behind them as they leave. Each of the 25 Singhs in the Element would train Panj Singhs, and the Panj Pyare of the Element train the local selected top tier 30. 

Think of that delhi rape scenario. 30 Singhs come and stay for a month and leave 155 Singhs behind. Who continue to train. 

Not to mention there is always an senior amongst the panj pyare 

Typically the oldest singh or something like that, as Bhai Daya Singh ji had been in service of Maharaj for over 20 years by the time of khalsa sirjana and is even praised in bachitar natak for his valour in battle of bhangani, and he was sort of a private secretary or diwan of maharaj that sometimes shy sikhs would ask questions through (like how they would earlier ask mata gujri ji or mama kirpaal chand) and Baba Binod Singh ji became pramukh amongst the pyare sent along with Baba banda Singh (either because as oral lore tells us, he was blessed command of dal khalsa by guru maharaj to establish Budha Dal, because that is just hows things played out as he was most senior and strategic and bhai daya singh, bhai dharam singh had done sachkhand ghaman at abchal nagar) as he was from exalted lineage of Guru Angad Dev ji Maharaj and respected as such 

There is a another set of pyare significant in history during nwabi parsang of Baba kapur singh, dont remember all of the names except Budh Singh ancestor of ranjit singh, bhai karam singh and maybe Baba deep singh ji were amongst them too (which if case must have been the head, there were also five jathas organized by Nawab kapur singh at first and misl shaheeda was the central and most elite commando force under baba deep singh ji as its first one of the five mentioned by sardar rattan singh bhangu in order, and even later during creation of misla, only one has survived to date and that is the misl of shaheeds that is regarded as the core of tarna dal), and bhai mani singh ji (pujari at sri harmandar sahib at the time) was one amongst panj pyare at sanchar of vaisakhi when Baba kapur singh took pahul 

and another during conquest of dehli but they arent named well but im sure sardar jassa singh ahluwalia must have been the central pyara

There is always one mukh senior pyare amongst the panj at sanchars too who instructs the khalsa on rehit etc. To add

It seems like a pretty neatly organized machine organized by dasam gurudev pita, needs a little oil to the engine in modern times with sarbat khalsa 

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[NaamTiharoJoJape]

18 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

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