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12 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

In all the (rightly in my opinion) focus on targeting grooming against our own community from certain well known quarters, I think it is important that we do not forget to keep a keen eye on predators exploiting the sangat internally: 

 

 

 

 

From what I have observed, I have not (yet) heard of any sexual grooming cases within my wider family. 
 

however, I do know think one of the biggest issues which has  affected wider family and those of others is financial exploitation eg dodgy business dealing and cheating others out of money or land (relevant to @weareallone’s and your points on the other thread).

Btw, the YouTube channel above seems to be Sikh Unit ?

And I didn’t recognise Bhai Mahan Singh ji at first !

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2 hours ago, Premi5 said:

From what I have observed, I have not (yet) heard of any sexual grooming cases within my wider family. 
 

We have to create a culture where such things aren't taboo, and victims can feel empowered enough to expose wrongdoing. We have a lot of forces that are barriers to this wrapped around notions of 'izzat', reputation, shame and marriage. Conservatism too plays it's part, but these days we know from studying CP that such moorings aren't really indigenous Sikh ones. 

I think as a community in the UK, we are doing reasonably well in confronting a lot of issues, better than a lot of others actually. I think also, given how the majority culture here is also being forced to confront it's own demons in this department (albeit very reluctantly and even begrudgingly), this should (hopefully) give more confidence to people in our own community who have/are experiencing this type of abuse to come forward.    

 

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however, I do know think one of the biggest issues which has  affected wider family and those of others is financial exploitation eg dodgy business dealing and cheating others out of money or land (relevant to @weareallone’s and your points on the other thread).

I think this is a long established norm in our society that we hardly confront. It's practically a culture. I know so many examples of this going back generations in most families.

Look when we even have folk songs about going to the kechari in armed gangs (incase a decision goes against you) it says it all. lol  

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1 hour ago, Teji_Singh said:

Any historical examples/precedents you have read about ? 

Why not give them Tankhaah from Panj Piare?

What for being a pedo???

Just having a consensual relationship with an adult sulli or eating halal would make you a tankaah in the past -  how does grooming underage kids compare with that? 

You'd get people taking amrit and then doing pedo stuff and then shuking Amrit again when caught. What kind of message does that send? People like this might as well join some other religion that doesn't take pedo activity seriously - there are a few 'religions' out there like that. 

What about the panth's job to protect their own vulnerable members? 

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2 hours ago, Teji_Singh said:

Any historical examples/precedents you have read about ? 

I had a think about this. Shaving of heads and blackening faces was done in cases of disgrace in ye olde Panjabi/Indic culture. I'm not saying this should be brought back, but for keshdharis/amritdharis who are confirmed nonces - I would say taking their kesh/dastaar off is fully justified.   

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