Racism against young Sikh family from Panjab, in West Midlands

[Ranjeet01]

5 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

20-30 years seems about right. This is my 20th year living in the Langley/Upton area and there were a lot of apne already here so you can say we've been here in big numbers for a good 25 years. I've noticed suls coming here in increasing numbers in the past 3 years or so, no one wore kurta pyjamas or Arabic man-skirts here 5 years ago but they're fairly common now. The only Indians moving here now are the Indian IT crowd from South India or Maharashtra, the occasional Sikh family from India who have some money. UK born Sikhs are moving to places like Stoke Poges, Gerrards Cross, Iver. No doubt the suls will follow us there as well. 

My plan was to stay here until my son finished school at 18 but I'm not sure I'll last that long given the demographic change. 

Suls pump out 3-4 kids compared to our 2 kids. So they will be the majority in schools in the future.

I don't understand how they afford the houses in the first place, their women don't work plus they have extra mouths to feed. 

My observations is that there is two types of Muslims when it comes to migration patterns.

There is the clannish side, so if one family moves to an area, then one of their cousins and relatives want to move there as well. Our people have a level of autonomy in that we like to have a degree of boundary from our relatives. We are not keen to necessarily live close to each other.

The clan Muslims want to live close to each other as much as living on the same street or a couple of doors away from each other.

Our people do not have this level of co-dependancy that clan Muslims have.  Our close-nitted Ness is not the same as their close nitted Ness.

Then you have the other type of Muslim, they are the more religious penguin and hijabi types. They seem to be more religious, maybe higher up the social ladder and they live in more far flung areas where you would find other communities. They seem to avoid the clan muslims. 

I suspect that there are groups of muslims that want to keep away from other muslims.

You must note that since there are a lot of cab drivers of this community, they keep a note of where our people are moving to.

They manage to afford these houses by obtaining mortgages via non conventional routes. They have been using brokers for decades and a lot of times their mortgage providers are not institutions you have ever heard of.

Our people are typically straightforward on these things, if you want to find an alternative way of doing things or some loop holes, these people are experts. 

I suspect the reason why you have seen more of them moving jnto your area is that around covid time, you had the stamp duty holiday in purchasing properties. The 3 years you have mentioned seem to co-incide during that time..

My personal opinion is that schooling is a big factor for our people moving but they are caught up with their parent's belligerent non budging out of an area. There are areas that have gone past their sell by date for our people.

[dallysingh101]

9 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

There are areas that have gone past their sell by date for our people.

What does that mean long term though, that we up and move whenever these f**kers start turning up? We might as well be nomads then. 

[Ranjeet01]

33 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

What does that mean long term though, that we up and move whenever these f**kers start turning up? We might as well be nomads then. 

No idea.

But for many of our people, our perception of what is quality of life is measurably higher when these lot are not there. I think it is because we intuitively understand what is going to happen.

 

[BhForce]

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

What does that mean long term though, that we up and move whenever these f**kers start turning up? We might as well be nomads then. 

Well, it's been going on a long time. I mean, they did "follow" into Punjab hundreds of years ago. Obviously we had something they wanted, that's why they came. Islam isn't indigenous to India.

[ChardikalaUK]

19 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

What does that mean long term though, that we up and move whenever these f**kers start turning up? We might as well be nomads then. 

It's the circle of life. More of them are getting well off so this will increase, especially as they pump out more children. 

Apne must be strong and hold on to where we live but we are generally a bunch of goreh followers so we want to move to places where they live but over time that just causes white flight in those areas. 

I keep explaining to our people that want to move to these gora areas that goreh don't want to live with us, whether it is the working, middle or upper class. 

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, ChardikalaUK said:

It's the circle of life. More of them are getting well off so this will increase, especially as they pump out more children. 

Apne must be strong and hold on to where we live but we are generally a bunch of goreh followers so we want to move to places where they live but over time that just causes white flight in those areas. 

I keep explaining to our people that want to move to these gora areas that goreh don't want to live with us, whether it is the working, middle or upper class. 

One of the things you hear from our people is that they don't want their children to be living in enclaves and want them to be able to mix with other groups.

This is something that stated by the mothers (they are generally the instigators of this), specifically if they are upwardly social mobile professional types.

However, what seems to happen is the kids in general hang around their own ethnic group in these schools. Over time, our ethnic group grows larger until the other subcontinental groups flock towards us and then one particular group will infest and it starts all over again.

I think maybe the Sikh schools is largely a good idea as schooling is something that helps keep our areas intact as well as the Gurdwara.

What also would help is that if a Sikh family moves, the rest of the community get together and buy the house and sell the house to another Sikh family. But that is very unlikely to happen.

Our people have the propensity to rent the house out which can denigrate the area or if the house is sold, it will go to you know who.

[dallysingh101]

Look, we've probably got dharam yudh on multiple fronts ahead of us - there is no excuse to not face this hikikat.

[ChardikalaUK]

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

One of the things you hear from our people is that they don't want their children to be living in enclaves and want them to be able to mix with other groups.

This is something that stated by the mothers (they are generally the instigators of this), specifically if they are upwardly social mobile professional types.

However, what seems to happen is the kids in general hang around their own ethnic group in these schools. Over time, our ethnic group grows larger until the other subcontinental groups flock towards us and then one particular group will infest and it starts all over again.

 

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My wife's cousin and even my own neighbour have said they want to move to a more mixed area, i.e. more goreh. I keep telling them that the goreh don't want you there, they don't want to live in a mixed area and I have no problem with that. I've had goreh neighbours twice in my life and I could tell they didn't/don't like having so many South Asians living next to them. 

As you said, as soon as a few Indians move into an area then more flock there leading to white flight and then the Indians wanting to move again. 

And you're also right about friends, I've had one Gujarati friend and everyone else has been Sikh. Birds of a feather. I've had many goreh acquaintances but never someone I could call a friend. 

[Ranjeet01]

11 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

1,000,000%

My wife's cousin and even my own neighbour have said they want to move to a more mixed area, i.e. more goreh. I keep telling them that the goreh don't want you there, they don't want to live in a mixed area and I have no problem with that. I've had goreh neighbours twice in my life and I could tell they didn't/don't like having so many South Asians living next to them. 

As you said, as soon as a few Indians move into an area then more flock there leading to white flight and then the Indians wanting to move again. 

And you're also right about friends, I've had one Gujarati friend and everyone else has been Sikh. Birds of a feather. I've had many goreh acquaintances but never someone I could call a friend. 

Goreh are tolerant to a certain percentage, but after that then they start to leave.

I went to Richings Park, Iver to someone's home. These are nice homes (probably now £1 million value) , but with more money our people have the more downhill the area gets.

What starts off as quite a green area quickly becomes over-developed, concreted over. It becomes very slu

You can go to any area and tell pretty quickly which are the apneh's house.

It's quite embarrassing that a chavy gora estate looks in better nick than our areas.

We should actually buy an industrial estate and move into the industrial units. There is no grass, plenty of parking and got enough space for storage. Less need to extend but if you want to you can (let's face it, there is never enough space for our people) and we have enough space to rent it out to as many illegals as you wish. Industrial estates look like slums anyway so there is no fear of the estate deteriorating.

 

[ChardikalaUK]

6 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Goreh are tolerant to a certain percentage, but after that then they start to leave.

I went to Richings Park, Iver to someone's home. These are nice homes (probably now £1 million value) , but with more money our people have the more downhill the area gets.

What starts off as quite a green area quickly becomes over-developed, concreted over. It becomes very slu

You can go to any area and tell pretty quickly which are the apneh's house.

It's quite embarrassing that a chavy gora estate looks in better nick than our areas.

We should actually buy an industrial estate and move into the industrial units. There is no grass, plenty of parking and got enough space for storage. Less need to extend but if you want to you can (let's face it, there is never enough space for our people) and we have enough space to rent it out to as many illegals as you wish. Industrial estates look like slums anyway so there is no fear of the estate deteriorating.

 

Hit the nail on the head again. 

This is how apne are decorating their houses nowadays, ugly AF in my opinion, Southall has many such properties and they're becoming more common in Slough as well. Another problem is that the roads get full of parked cars because there are so many adults living in one house, sometimes 6!

 

Richings Park is majority apne now, I think it's mostly rich people from Southall. A lot have destroyed character properties into monstrosities like above. But overall it's still a very nice area.