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I am not the one who implied now more then twice that the females around me are mentally inferior , that was YOU . Look just because you like to put women down as stupid, banal creatures who can only be swayed by fashion and phoke karam doesn't make it true ...you claim you speak up against such attitudes but you have illustrated that you really don't think women are up to much . your words illustrate an intense hatred of women , I dislike some karams of some men but that doesn't mean I tar everything men do as a whole as bad, worthless, sexist etc etc Chardi Kala and prem means dropping negativity and accepting people as is faults and all , i.e. the reality ...which I try my best to do, I do not let their bad choices or good choices tip me over emotionally or mentally . I am glad my afghan sisters are coming to the West they will expand their minds and realise what it is to be a Kaur and improve their lot even take amrit. It is a positive but if they overhear or read the foul attitudes of some here calling them all sorts, how on Earth is that supportive of their aspiration to get closer to sikhi? They will think that all amritdhari people are so judgemental and nasty they would better staying as is ... and that is tragically sad. I didn't elope ...sorry to disappoint ...I don't have anyone in my extended family 'married in' ...not our style ... I am married for now twenty years ...so no I don't respond to your goads ...because there are better things to do like spend time doing vichar of bani

Some folk need to edit their thought processes and then, if necessary, edit their written words before hitting 'Post'. The content of a few posts on the past few pages have been completely uncalled for. Deadly wrong.

Where did the ancestral genetics go before becoming Sikhs when they were treated so badly by the Moghul rulers and lot of them became muslims.

Brother I do live in the real world, trust me.. and my past is a testament to that. Guru pita ji pulled me out of that hell and made me his own. That's why my spirit awakens when pita jis pavitar roop is insulted and tarnished. I dont care less if some roda/mona/monee makes media headlines for their maarriyan kartootan, but done in disguise of a guru da sikh is intolerable for me. The way you have hijacked this topic and made it into a jatt-bashing exercise is ridiculous. As are your attempts to justify thieving and criminality by calling it a 'hustle'and 'creative' way to make money. By that standard I suppose the Badals are your ultimate 'hustler' role models for their creativity in looting the panth. All I can say to you now is this.. Go where there is kirtan and sadhsangat, as much as you can, for that is where iron is turned to gold. Jagsaw.. you overstepped the mark severely by the insulting remarks made to penji.. mitta bolna and niv chalna are the ways of the gursikh.

I want to make it absolutely clear that this is not in support of anything Jagsaw says and in want to take great care not to align with his views which originate from an entirely different place. Dallysingh the fact that many are restraining themselves from lashing out against you in the same manner you are lashing out, shows they are not ‘all the same’ as your posts suggest. Your posts are going beyond calling out the self-congratulatory supremacist belief of one group. The repetitive and all-encompassing approach ends up insulting an entire group and starts to merge with the very thing you are criticizing. Jagsaw, you may be too proud to take it, but here’s a hand reaching out to help you as you’re obliterating yourself here. I suggest you have another look at your posts in reference to women and consider apologizing. I’m not too concerned about us. But when someone is gasping for oxygen in the manner you are it is decency to throw out a lifesaver. To any sisters on this forum, that is some of the most disgusting commentary I have seen on this forum. To those who were personally brought into it, you handled yourself with dignity, grace and class. The target of those comments can not just be you or other women. Those are not your problems or insults. We stand united in any long road on or off this forum to counter this type of misogyny. Kudos as well to the brothers who have stepped forward to make their position clear on this.

maybe the first statement was not but that did not stop you from making derogatory remarks later ... given you have dependents you should be more patient and less patronising...unless you plan on treating your daughters and nieces the same way ?

That's the crux of the issue right there. As well as being the reason why we have a dearth of boxers/MMA fighters to our community's name, it's also why we have no poets, no writers, no journalists, no artists, no actors and no sportsmen. Sikh parents are consumed with money, and the way to guarantee that their kids have money is by forcing them to play it safe and study engineering rather than allowing them to take a risk by following their dreams of boxing fame. They're not risk takers - but taking risks is how a people grow.

It is weird because in East London you get plenty of Bengalis who train and fight in boxing. I think overly worried Sikh parents discourage kids. And it is also not seen as a profitable vocation and you know how much status means to many of our lot. There used to be a few fighters a generation or two back, Kash the Flash Gill for example. That being said, a fair few youngers DO train hard these days and can lift houses, so there are some strong brothers about. Not enough though.

if you have a fan oven I would suggest cutting down time drastically otherwise it's like eating wood...I usually do them for ten minutes and they are good , most of the excessive fat gets shed but the moisture is still all there. Usually add to pasta sauce that I have been creating on the hob while they are doing their thing in the oven. mushroom and sausage stroganoff is popular in our house .

This is not the first time you've made a thread about this sort of topic. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77394-do-punjabis-lack-athletic-genes-compared-to-other-races/ http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/78673-why-lack-of-sikh-in-boxing-mma-an-other-combat-sports/ Do you have amnesia, or just an inferiority complex? If you're worried about your so-called 'racial weakness', get up right now and go to the gym. Sitting on your bum in front of a computer grousing about how physically pathetic you are, probably with a bag of doritos next to you, definitely won't help you overcome your 'racial weakness'. My friend you clearly have some issues with yourself, and trying to find solace in the idea that "other people are just as mediocre as I think I am" is not a good attitude. I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way, but if all the other responses in all the other threads still haven't elicited a change in your thinking, you need a kick up the backside to get you to change.

Sikhs are suppose to be warrior people To be good warrior soldiers you have to be good athletes an fighters

Lol, brown women definitely have an easier time of it. But it seems to me that you're right in your assessment that apnaay have to be of a certain type if they want to penetrate these white fields. Two types to be precise: A, a complete coconut, or B, a merchant of stereotypes. Newsreaders like Anita Rani and Daljit Dhaliwal would fall into the first, and most of our authors and 'comedians' who don't ever seem to traffic in anything except horrors and cliches into the second.

Are you kidding me? I've been around for a while now. We've seen juts systematically start trashing each and every community around, its started with so-called 'chuhray and chumaars' (let's not talk about the rape and physical abuse huh?) , then it moved to ramgarhias, then bhatray were getting it, then so-called 'bhappay', now having run out of people to insult and judge like haughty pendus - they move onto the newest group on the scene - these Afghan Sikhs. Not all of us are dumb, we can see what is happening - we can see the pattern emerging from jut society. If some of you have finally gained the common sense to not indulge in this 5hitty behaviour, don't rest on your laurels or expect to be applauded for it - now you can see it, go deal with the majority juts who haven't got to that point yet. Look at the consequences of this behavior each and every time, the targeted community, understandably, moves away to do their own thing instead of sticking around to accept abuse like some jut bewakoofs seem to expect them to? Maybe behaving like ar5eholes is considered normal, everyday, acceptable behavior amongst juts but please don't expect others to tolerate it. I'm not saying all juts are like this, but I tell you what, the effort amongst juts to try and sort out their bizarre behaviour towards others (and inbetween themselves) is woefully inadequate (that's me being kind). A hell of a lot more needs to be done to confront, challenge and even understand it, mostly amongst juts themselves. You've had enough time to do this at your own leisure, but seeing as there is still a reluctance to own up to what goes on, expect people to call you on it. Especially when certain juts start indulging in their favorite pastime of condemning other communities like they don't have a world of issues amongst themselves.

could do savoury yoghurt with cucumber, spinach , ground cumin, chilli , maybe with precooked lentils thrown in salt to taste , last night's gobi sabji sandwiches in seeded batch then grilled ( or paneer/carrots-peas sabji) besan pancakes with chillis ,onions,spinach, tomatoes, cubes of feta cooked with cocnut oil (add a little bicarb to make it fluffy) flaxsseed pancakes with pansauteed mushrooms and spinach salt and pepper (chilli if you like it hot)

Most Sikh freedom fighters whether they were from Gadhar movement, Akali movement, Babbar Akali movement, Sikh communists, Azad Hind Fauj etc were all soldiers or Sikhs who were former soldiers. Even the Sikhs who had fought against the purbia mutineers in 1857 were the same Sikh army soldiers who had fought against the British during the Anglo Sikh wars. This army also included the son of Hari Singh Nalwa.It would be wrong to say Sikh soldiers are "chumche". That would be simplifying this complex issue. I would term them as mercenaries paid to fight. They had no loyalty to the British king or queen. These same soldiers would then make the vast majority of the Sikh freedom fighters who were hanged or jailed in Kala Paani. For example, my own grandfather was a world war veteran. But he also later on became a freedom fighter and was jailed and tortured by the British. Now even though my grand father was tortured and jailed yet his younger brother still joined the army. He fought in world war but later ended up mutinying and joining the Azad Hind Fauj like thousands of Sikh soldiers. The reason for this is the Sikh soldiers were not loyal to any British king. He was simply a mercenary who was paid to do what soldiers do. And if given a viable chance to fight for freedom he would take it. The Gadhar movement is a perfect example of this. Had it succeeded during the Lahore conspiracy case, all the Sikh soldiers would have mutineed but one guy betrayed the movement and it never happened.

You know wat Jagsaw just forget it. Coz obviously you are not getting it. So im gonna delete all my messages coz u won't stop. There's no point in saying nothing to you, as you won't even understand nothing. Carry on write what you want, I'll just leave it at that. Had enough of getting abused by a nobody. Apay liki ja. Tapusia mari ja.

The advent of the Gurkhas and their reputation as brave soldiers happened before the British began recruiting them. Early 1800s they began to dominate the lower Himalayan region and ruled over a large territory. In their western border they began to conquer Himachal region because of which they came into contact with the growing Sikh empire of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. The Sikhs and Gurkhas fought a war over the Kangra fort and the Sikhs beat them. Even though the Gurkhas lost but Maharaja Ranjit Singh was so impressed with these mountain men that he created a Gurkha regiment into his own army before the British had created theirs.

Generally, we make mistakes. Early on when I joined this site, I had a few sharp exchanges with a few guys, but it was wrong. There was no need for it on my end. You've got to treat people on here as if you'd converse with them in real-life. I do wonder if some individuals would talk to their friends, associates, or family with the same contempt and generally mean-spirited nature as they do on here. Taking trolls to task is one thing (as I've done on a few occasions), but getting nasty over a difference of opinion is not the best thing to do.

I think THE BIG question is: If you are a Sikh male, and are not training regularly in some way, why? What do you need to see that keeping yourself (and consequently the wider community) strong is essential, not only as a religious duty but also in the face of an often hostile world? (That's not saying Sikh females shouldn't train btw!)

for someone who lives in Uk your spelling is really bad ...Guru ji has given bachan for every Khalsa Shaheedi two more khalsa will sprung up , so Sikhi will never die . However if people leaves Guru ji's sharan and start acting as if they know better then, their and their kul's downfall is guaranteed . Stay in CHardi Kala and do sikhi every moment as Sikhi is a path of action, not a intellectualised pasttime that includes becoming someone to rely on in hard times , a leader, a warrior and a saint.

it's not funny, it's not clever and it is certainly not the behaviour and words of an enlightened Singh , really he needs to step back and think about why he needed to: 1. belittle any female - seriously, why? Guru ji app kehnda koi Singh kisse Bibi da muh fitkarna nahin chahida , ohne sattauna nahin chahida 2. bring menstruation into the picture - are his arguments so weak they cannot take the scrutiny so he has to use to some weak 'male bonding ' type of chauvanism? If he has a problem with a female correcting him then that is HIS problem . 3. feel the need to bring up collecting his children each time he attacks a female here - tip: billions of women do this job daily and then all the rest but they don't need to bring it up every time to justify what they want to say, when they do . Collecting his own kids is nice for them and him (Bonding), but it doesn't mean he cannot be sexist, rude, dismissive of fifty percent of the world population.

Did I not say earlier that there were exceptions? The Tamil tigers may be Hindu, but they are a nationalist movement, not a religious one. They are animated by a fierce ethnic pride. The Gurkhas were never renowned as particularly great soldiers until the advent of the British Raj and its Martial Race Theory. This theory was never simply about which people were the best fighters, but mainly concerned with the question of which groups could be expected to be most loyal to the British Crown and the least likely to rebel (the Sikhs, unfortunately, were considered among this number). In other words, the Gurkha legend was created by the British, the Englishman made the Gurkha, massaged their egos to the point that the Gurkhas felt indebted to them for it - they began to feel an intense loyalty towards the Brits. A loyalty which persists even to this very day. Gurkhas are still recruited into the British army. This was why they were so highly regarded, this and the fact that they were non-Indians who would have no qualms about turning their rifles against the people of Hindustan. The soldiers who fired upon the crowd at Jallianwala Bagh? Gurkhas. I don't understand the need for the question about Punjabi Muslims. I addressed this in my first post.

I think he is setting up locals to takeover parchaar , because i have seen updates from Delhi with local sangat doing sewa.

Thus spoke the pro-Kaur Jagsaw Singh

In Sikhi, we are taught to forgive. Let's forgive anyone who has spoken out of line in this thread and let's become better human being moving forward.

Going for a walk is a good way of de-stressing. If you can incorporate a few errands, then all the better. Breathing in the outside air, observing the world in motion, etc, it reminds us how small we are, and it allows us to keep our own lives in perspective, relative to everything around us. Breathe it all in. You'll feel better for it.

Guru pyario, everything happens in Waheguru's will. There are many stresses in the human form of life. Our natural instinct is to worry about these day-to-day things. Just remember this life we are living is fake. Only Waheguru is real. If Waheguru wants you to ace your exams, it will happen. Do not stress.

This is a very important note. Its not the caste that makes a Sikh great but it us Sikhi that makes him great. Thats why we have had great Sikhs of many backgrounds who have been amazing generals

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Yep. This bhenji can do a great favor to a lot of people by outing this <banned word filter activated>.

Yogic meditation is showmanship - it's becoming popular because sitting in a lotus pose makes pretentious Western people feel profound and spiritual. As for Kundalini, it's predicated on the whole idea that there is some energy coiled at the base of the spine which needs to be awakened and redirected elsewhere. A glancing familiarity with Sikhi should be enough for people to conclude that these activities are not in keeping with the humble and simplistic spirit of Sikhi. This. unfortunately, is also why Sikh meditation will have a hard time catching on. It doesn't appeal to people's small minded need for theater - they want cool poses and zany eastern music in the background. All one has to do to enter Samadhi is empty themselves of everything but the Naam for a few moments - you can do this sitting on a sofa. It requires immense willpower, but it helps if you chant the naam out loud and surround yourself with brothers and sisters who are doing the same.

Buddasingh, shame on you. Lets recap as to just how much of a pathetic imbecile you are: DallySingh makes disgusting remarks about jatts on every single thread he has ever visited on this website over the last 6 months. It doesn't matter if the thread is about Punjab...or about cakes....or about bread....or about cars. He still makes his disgusting casteist remarks - And yet none of that has ever bothered you at all and here you pretending to care about 'caste' Dallysingh, on this Sikh forum with little vulnerable children present, has, on this thread alone, used the 'F' word a total of 6 times, mostly to denegrate the mothers and fathers of the other Sikhs present here, and indeed in one of his posts here he insinuated that a fellow member here has sexual intercourse with his own mother - And yet none of this has bothered you at all instead feeling the need to abuse someone pointing out and correcting facts. 4 people here were having a discussion about the Aroras from a Sikh History in central Asia perspective. I joined in later and gave details of that history and several others here thanked me for answering those queries. In that same discussion, your potty mouthed friend Dallysingh101, demonstrating his immature childlike intellect, contributing by adding that perhaps the aroras in the picture were 'Hazaras', not realising what a hazara looks like - And yet you choose to ignore all that ? I've stated in my previous message how I have posted message after message here on this forum in various different threads about my hatred for corrupt jatt sikh keshdari dastar wearing Sikhs. I reminded you how my past form here has demonsteated how determined I am to preserve the honour of the dastar that I have, on many occassions here, devoted large chunks of my personal time researching and exposing the detailed financial history of those indivduals - And yet, despite me telling you in that message, you choose to blank your mind of this fact ....why ? Despite everyone on this thread, including the OP, continously telling the dufus Dallysingh101 that this issue is about the honour of the dastar that complete imbecile that lacks basic comprehension keeps going on like a mad man about mona hair-cutted people from a Sikh background. - And yet instead of opening your eyes to what you are reading you choose to abuse a Sikh ? Dallysingh101, posted 3 seperate messages on this thread where he said that its good for we Sikhs to have criminals and even stated clearly that those who do not commit crime or at least support tough criminals, are "soft pussies" - And yet none of this bothered you at all, instead coming to the conclusion that you should abuse the man that said incest is wrong and seeing Sikh women as sexual slaves is wrong And you, dallysingh101, when you said this you really overstepped the line. Perhaps the blind 'Sikhs' supporting you here will finally wake up and see what kind of man and viewpoint they are supporting: Let me tell you something right here and now....My beautiful dastar wearing wife is a laadli th'ee of Sri Gobind Singh Ji. Truly beautiful. How dare you think you can get away with making such digusting remarks. Your messages full of the 'F' word in this thread should have already been enough to show what kind of person you are but the fact that you think by making abusive comments you can scare dastar wearing Singhs and Kaurs into not mentioning how it is wrong to marry and sleep with your sisters and to see females as nothong more than sex objects should be more than enough to show the others here what kind of person you actually are. That is your parents fault for raising a son with such a filthy mouth and with such gandeh thoughts. Shame on them for that. Now, everyone else, do you see what is happening here ? When we have discussions about why the Muslim community in the UK is living in denial, refusing to acknowledge that so many of their people are wearing religious attire but yet indulging in immoral activities, do you not see how we are now doing the exact same thing. When terrible shortcomings are pointed out, do you see how hard they come down on those pointing it our rather than the people actually doing the things ? We, together, for the sake of our children, must NEVER EVER allow those wearing a dastar to do anything that brings dishonour to it. All my life, I have confronted all those that do and told them straight that if they wish to carry on doing such things they must cut the hair. We were at a wedding last year and as we were walking from our car to the reception hall we noticed a dastar wearing singh smoking with some others. My little son first went up to him and told him straight that he should cut his hair and stop doing besti to the dastar. Then my wife got involved and literally told him she would smack him upside the head if he ever does such a thing again and if he can't stop he should cut his hair and stop wearing a pagh. That man was obviously a jatt as we were all at a jatt wedding together. So where's 'casteism' now ? Constantly, here on SikhSangat, I have called for the death and destruction of immoral dastar wearing sikhs such as Badal and KPS Gill. They're jatts too. So where's 'casteism' now ? Constantly, here on Sikhsangat, I have chased and exposed the personal financial dealings of corrupt rich Sikhs in the UK, such as Malhi of Southall etc. They're all jatts. So where's 'casteism' now ? Take a good look at yourselves. Examine how and why you wish to abuse me for letting people know how these Afghan Sikhs practice incest and insist that their wives cut their hair as they do not believe females shoulld practice Sikhism. Abuse me all you want.....I have my children to think about...and the kind of Sikhi they shall inherit. Thus, I will never stop saying how disgusting the practices of these Afghan Sikhs are untill they either stop dishonouring the dastar and cut their hair or they stop. Untill they stop, or cut their hair and stop doing besti to the dastar, I will continously batter them and that is something I am very very proud of.

"His People" Dallysingh101, are people such as Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale the present day Satkar Committee and people like Bhai Rajoana and Prof Bhullar : i.e people that take direct action against any that insult the honour of the dastar. "His people" Dallysingh101, are all of we people here on this forum who constantly post threads and messages about news stories of dastar wearing Sikhs of a Jatt background who indulge in crimes or immoral activities and state that they MUST remove those dastars if they wish to behave in such shamefull ways. "His people" Dallysingh101, are the 80,000 that march in central London each June wishing for the deaths of immoral dastar wearing Sikhs of a jatt background, such as Badal and KPS Gill. You my friend, because of your shamefull bigotry against all Sikhs of a rural background, are incapable of seeing how the Jatt Sikhs in the west always, without fail, come down hard on any keshdari jatt Sikh that indulges in bad things. Your bigotry has blinded you of the fact that the 'gang-bangers etc' of Vancouver are, to the last man, mona sikhs. You don't seem to have even the most basic understandiing of the honour that comes with the dastar and how we shoud all come down hard on any that tarnish that honour. For example, you seem to have forgotten all the messages I have written on this very forum where I go on very personal vendettas against dirty and corrupt jat Sikh millionaiire businessmen, for example the Presidents of various Gurdwaras. You seem to have forgotten how I have gone into detailed chasing and tracing excercises with regards to their business interests etc. There you again. Pure ignorance and blindness founded and fuelled by your pure bigotry. The jatts make a up a tiny minority of the Punjab Police. With the state quotas for the so called 'backward classes' it is almost the preserve of the churas and chamars, Very few jatts get that job. Underneath the uniform hat that is shaped like a turban, 99% of them are hair-cutted churas and chamars. But, I'm sure that won't stop you blaming the jatts. There you again with your bigoted ignorance. The fact that the drug epidemic in Punjab is at its worst in urban areas and the jatts hardly exist in urban areas will not stop you. Your bigotry ensures you are not possible to understand reason. What ??? You've clearly never stepped foot inside a Punjab village and this claim of yours is so ludicrous its hardly worthy of a reply. Wow. Such disgusting language on a religious forum full of youngsters. You ought to feel thoroughly ashamed of yourself. So now you're not only advocating criminality you're actually saying any Sikh that doesn't do crime is a soft mummy's boy What on earth is wrong with you ? You may recall, this thread is about dastar wearing keshdari Sikhs bringing utter shame to that crown. If you know of dastar wearing crack cocaaine dealers you should do the decent thing and not only bring it to our attention so that we can forcefully deal with it but also notify the authorities. No you don't see anything of the sort in Canada. I know the situation and people well and I have never ever encountered a dastar wearing keshdari Sikh amongst any of those gangsters. . So now your're using obscene langage because you're upset that anyone might come in the way of these lovely people committing their lovely crimes ? How can a bunch of keshdari dastar wearing Sikhs pickpocketting innocent citizens and stealing their hard earned property be "nothing" ? I'm sure it caused a great deal of personal and financial heartache to those thousands of victims, many of whom were chldren and many of whom had been saving up years to buy those phones. You obviously missed that message from Balkar in which he articulated clearly how this is about a national identity and not the 'caste' of that nationality. At the end of the day, it is our sons and daughters dastars that is being dishonoured if we continue to shut our mouths too afarid to say anything about how these people marry and have children with their 1st cousins and the way in which they do not belive females have any business in growing their hair and being Sikhs. I know alot of people don't understand this point because they only really ever see Muslim females covered up but what they don't understand is that underneathh that covering the Muslim female has a religious duty to be extremely beauty parlourfied as their holy scriptures say she must make herself extremely sexually arousing for her man. This is the same concept these Afghan Sikhs in west London have brought over to the UK and this is all going to have an extremely negative impact on our children if we keep ur mouths shut and do and say nothing.

Do you know what an Hazara even looks like Dallysingh ? They have chinese style eyes. No Star Striker. The Afghan Sikhs are 100% Arora. No other Sikh group exists among them. Its an interesting facet of Sikh history actually because historically, in terms of business, the areas of the Sikh empire were divided up by the Khatris and the Aroras. Because the Aroras were considered 'lesser' khatris, the Khatris themselves had the whole of Punjab proper and potowar, Kashmir etc and gave the whole of the extreme north west of Punjab and the North West Frontier region (Pathan territory) for the Aroras. Thus, the Khatris had a business manopoly of Punjab proper and the the Aroras had a complete monopoly of the whole of the north west. Interestingly though, if one goes even further north west and by-passes the Arora areas and ventures into Iran, we find that it is the Khatris that had (and still have) the business monopoly in Iranian cities such as Zahedan and Tehran and no aroras exist there at all. But, for the purposes of this discussion, we must remember that virtually all of the Afghan Sikhs are Aroras. All of them. The fact that you posted that link, jacfsing2, shows that you completely misunderstand Sikh history in those parts. You've posted a picture of Peshwari Sikhs in Pakistan without understanding that there is a very vast difference between the Afghan Sikhs and the Pakistani Sikhs of the north west frontier. The oonly real common denominator is the closeness and family ties between the arora sikhs of the cities of Jalalabad in Afghanistan and Peshawar in Pakistan. Both these comminuties, united by blood and marriage, are 100% pure arora, with no pathan blood in them. At the other end of the scale, we must remember that most of the Sikhs in Afghanistan are from the city of Kabul and that city (Kabul) is and always has been a distinctly Tajik and Uzbek city, so the local culture of the Sikhs is not pathan culture at all, as pathan influence in that city has always been minimal. Now, lets cross back across the Khyber Pass into Pakistan and we then have to consider a totaly unique Arora Sikh community that exists deep inside the rural tribal mountain areas well away from the towns and cities. Amongst those arora Sikhs there is indeed some very heavy mixing with pathan blood and that can be clearly seen in their features and skin colour. These arora sikhs actually live and die by pathan culture and their surnames are also names that proclaim their ties to the local clans, such as Afridi. To understand this phenonema we have to first understand the murder madness of partition 1947. The arora sikh small time traders were already living amongst those pathan clans and as the pathans live and die by their official 'code of honour' called the 'Pakhtoonwali', that code of honour dictated that they MUST, absolutely MUST, treat those fellow tribal area dwellers as their 'Hamsaya', or guest. The Pakhtoonwali code of honour dictates that they have absolutely no choice but to protect the life and homes of those Sikhs. Each individual pathan clan in each individual pathan tribal area did exactly that and thats why none of those sikhs moved to India at partition. Very good poing Balkar. Many of the arora Afghan Sikhs we see in Southall and Hounslow are indeed very very fair but, as you qute rightly say, they are also very short and stocky and that kind of body size and shape is virtually non-existent amongst the pathans. Why are you even saying that buddasingh ? Do not be afraid of knowledge. There are, at this moment, a large proportion of the Muslim community who not only refuse to acknowedge that crimnal elements exists amongst them that have religious attire but also, as you have done, try and stamp on and shut up anyone that mentions it. Don't be so afraid of knowledge. It is only by acknowledging our shortcomings that we will be able to overcome them. We can't let things carry on as they are. But, I'm extremely surprised you didn't understand anything I wrote and came to the conclusion that I'd "generally described the modus operandi of a wide array of the Punjabi doaspora" How on earth can you come to that conclusion ? I mean how many other Sikhs groups do you know who marry their chacha's daughter ? Pooah's son.......Thaya's children ? How many other Sikhs groups do you know who have a 'Sikh' culture whereby religion is only for the males and their wives MUST...as a RULE....have mega make-up, cut hair, blonde dyed hair, tatoos and dressed like a high class hooker ? (now you may think I'm joking here but ask any other west London Sikh. They'll tell you how every last one of these afghan sikhs has a dastar and yet every last one of them has a wife who is dressed and made up like a tart........This is because, in their extremely strange version of Sikhi, a woman has no business being a Sikh, i.e it is only for males, and she must, as per Muslim culture, make and keep herself 'sexy' to please her man)