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dallysingh101

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  1. I think it's broader than that. Plus I think there is a massive difference between a keshdhari and a committed amritdhari myself. I know plenty of keshdharis whose lifestyle is not remotely different from monay.
  2. No, that's a different thing all together - patit. People who take amrit and then break the kureits.
  3. I doubt it. I think you'd be long down a potential list of apnay they'd want to deport.
  4. I agree with most of what you said above, but I think that Gujarat was in Panjab (now in pak). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujrat,_Pakistan That's not to say that other panj piaray weren't from outside of Panjab though.
  5. I think we may have events which will strip down numbers for sure, in that case the astute and strong will survive.
  6. You do know there are independent accounts from the late 1700s that refer to Khulasa Sikhs (as differentiated from Khalsa Sikhs) that directly correspond to what we'd call sehajdharis today. No one is under any illusions that the panj hathiar armed Khalsa form is central to Sikh identity and that dasmesh pita elevated Khalsas, but to ignore historical evidence isn't good. Kaura Mal is a well known historical sehajdhari for instance. Plus I think a lot of people would take what Bhai Jagraj Singh says with some seriousness. This is not someone who didn't undertake serious study and practice of Sikhi.
  7. The first comment of mine you quoted was tongue in cheek. I grew up in a very multicultural urban area with a fair few Caribbeans. Relationships are generally good now, but it wasn't without gang violence between browns and blacks in the late 80s/ early 90s (which they lost then). So it wasn't all peachy. But I agree with you in that generally, the experiences with that community have been positive.
  8. Some people believe it doesn't actually refer to a ethnic group but rather means 'noble' or something along that line.
  9. @californiasardar1 What do you think of this?
  10. I wouldn't say that. They are astute. They know historically the even mere rumours of messing with people's diets has caused havoc for them.
  11. My experiences with a jhatka butcher. One opened up near Seven Kings a few years ago. I was pleasantly surprised. So I'd go there and stock up on goat meat for special occasions. The staff were pleasant. After a few months, it shut down, I guess it didn't have enough customers to sustain it - which is surprising because there are a lot of apnay in that area????
  12. I think this is the first and most important stage. We can make noise about jhatka but we need to have orgs ready to supply and show that a market exists. Also teach our own why this is important.
  13. Do you think jhatka is a modern thing amongst Sikhs then?
  14. What makes you think they'll care? They only seem to care when such things can cause unrest, like with the mutiny and rumours of pork and beef fat on cartridges.
  15. Maybe the standard around them back home is generally low, especially since the sullay have been gone for a few generations now. We can see from how just a few gujjars turning up has caused major problems. Indians are generally known to be darpookhs and kumjoor, so it would be easy for juts to seem especially brave around them. But on a global level, the situation is very different. Plus you're not factoring in that even if some are braver than those around them over there, they are still a pretty unintelligent people and generally get rings ran around them by more cleverer people. What's the point of being strong if you're regularly getting fooled and don't develop your community and your homeland?
  16. It might seem like that living where you do. But if you come out in the wider world where there is a wider mix of people, you can make a better judgment on how brave juts are compared to a wider range of humanity. Then you might come to the conclusion that they are 'big fish in a small pond' in and around Panjab where they have some safety in numbers, but I can tell you straight, get away from there, and their are much stronger and braver people than them all over the place. And those of you who have grown up in a multicultural society know this is true. In Panjab, once juts get overwhelmed (like with gujjars recently) they suddenly start emphasising the 'Sikh' identity, because they know they will struggle with dealing with things on their own.
  17. Thank Waheguru! You have to admit, the way many of our lot don't know the difference between their Sikhi dharam and 'bruin bhangra' subeachaar says a lot about our panth right now........and what it says isn't remotely good.........we've made ourselves into jokes through this. How can we talk about conversions when we haven't even taught our own to differentiate between their regional culture and their eternal dharam. Are our lot this dumb?
  18. If they approached the old bill in the past they'd probably get told: "Your 14 year old daughter has made a consensual lifestyle choice to be abused by older men." Plus I know for a fact these predators will target families where their chances of any retaliation are slim. Make of it what you will.
  19. That's a part but let's not be oblivious to how the actual 'parchaar' of Sikhi has largely been a conservative affair of 'preaching to the converted'. Also, I notice that certain other faiths (abrahamics like xtian and islam) have much more advanced provisions for converts and are able to quickly and almost seamlessly integrate them into their communities - especially through marriage - meanwhile amongst our lot many apneean mothers struggle to even integrate their own daughter in laws in the family.
  20. Minicab drivers were usually the first to pick up on the existence of vulnerable girls and their locations simply because the girls would use the minicabs to get around sometimes. I know I've said it before, but I remember more than thirty years ago, there were properties in E. London that housed runaway 'asian' girls from midlands/up north. These were housed by social services/the police due to perceived 'family problems', and the girls were young teenagers. The usual suspects got wind of this quickly and you can guess what happened next.
  21. There is one sakhi I can vaguely recall where dasmesh pita uses a jakaira (similar to degh tegh fateh) when firing arrows and causes havoc in the enemies. I think if true, it might be these types of arrows they gave to Banda Singh Bahadur?
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