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http://www.amu.ac.in/ulibrary.htm http://www.amu.ac.in/telephone/tdmalibrary.htm here u can find all the books available in the university and the second one is all the phone numbers of the Aligarh university library. One of the moderator should call them up and ask them if such account is available. All these years i have read lots of stuff did sangat of many mahapursh but not even one talked about such eyewitness account. Only 4 places where it pops up every vaisakhi is Orkut Facebook Sikhsangat Sikh philosophy There was live katha from darbar sahib on vaisakhi but the kathavachak never mentioned it. We should not spread rumors just to show our Guru sahib is capable of doing anything. He is God himself he is capable and he wants his Sikhs to be truthful hence powerful. In long run these things have hurt every kaum look at Christianity Islam Hinduism and their text even now a days new text is being created to make their religion look more superior their prophet look more powerful then other. We should stay away from this. Lie will always hurt now matter how good it feel to our ears.

That place is itehasak taap asthaan of baba sri chand then baba gurditta jee and many other mahapurshs and as old as sri harimander sahib.

Its not from Panth parkash nor any other good source for years i have been reading it on internet but not in any printed from. Couple of years on this very forum someone claimed its from a book kept at aligarh university or something. Prachin Panth parkash has a different view. Till now no granth/book/sakhi written any form of print media from a known author has written that panj peyare were beheaded in front of sangat. Taksals Nihang singh jathebandis Takhts everyone says that they were taken in tent behind the stage.

When u finish up with 1st pothi prepare degh before starting with second one.

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If today 2011 khalistan is made it will surely end up in sikh civil war ... may it be based on caste system ... may it be based on jatha system or may it be based mona vs kesadhari sikh etc ... and it can be predicted just by looking at sikh sangat forum ... How it will start lets say khalistan is made today what whould be the very first thing change mareyada of akal takth sahib ... at that very point swords would come out between all the major jathebandis ... Till we dont have sense of listening which requires far more control and energy then using sense of speaking which we are champions at its sure that khalistan keeping the in mind mindset of sikhs today it would end up sikhs killing sikhs on the name of guru and mareyada ...

In those years the armies had specific colors ... Green flags and dress was used by muslim armies in battle fields and red flags and dresses were used by hindu rajputs of north india ... and khalsa used blue ... Colors dont have spiritual meaning but it was to physically differentiate whose who

How come your about to take amrit when u are unclear about mareyada ... i would say dont rush ... seriously dont rush ... you still need do to more sangat then rushing into taking paul ...

Yes i agree with that and thats how it should i m myself a "kattar nihang/hazuri mareyada follower" With the creation of SGPC and gurdwara sudhar lehar I cant say what Guru Gobind Singh ji said as many jathebandis who claim to follow mareyada unchanged is not following the same mareyada as well Nihangs, Taksalis, Nirmales, Sevapanthis ... all can track their linage from dasmesh pita but yet mareyada is different. And when panthic mareyada was set up at akaltakth sahib all jathebandis were a part of it and till every one passed it was not called panthic mareyada and it took 12 years to compile it with suggestions from every jathebandi including taksals ... More over when sant jarnail singh ji was at akal takth sahib each wednesday amrit was prepared by taksali singh but with akal takths mareyada it can be confirmed by geyani thakur singh patiala walle ... and i dont think sant ji ever spoke a word against panthic mareyada or told anyone to take amrit again ... I am not blaming anyone even i have helped a couple of sikhs on this forum to retake amrit from dal panth ... i was just pointing the approach ... you want to take amrit from certain people its good but it doesnt mean that you last amrit sanchar was just mitha paani thats what i felt reading the very first post ... We should have respect for all mareyada ... and i feel it matters more how much rehat and mareyada you keep then which rehat and mareyada you keep ... I feel mareyada is a discipline which would increase your love for god ... In my eyes greatest warrior was Sant Bhindrawalle who followed taksali mareyada Maskeen ji was greatest scholar who always preachered akal takths mareyada Baba nand Singh ji was the greatest sant who was a jhatka eater Baba Mit singh ji was the greatest sevak of Guru sahib followed Nihang Singh mareyada and today all 4 of them would have been sitting at same place in the charan kamal of akalpurkh. Mareyada was different rehat was different but yet attained the same place so it cant be the difference between mareyada but the love you have for the mareyada you are following.

Just like queen on england wore socks inside harimander sahib . Ok if thats the case so the next day if he takes part in akhand path he will a sikh again and later he goes to church and light a candle now he is Christan. My point is ----> "Hence no favoritism toward everyone." Which certain people tend to do ... negative things being said about certain people no matter what they do and vice versa... Yup he was hindu thats why he created khalsa raj ... Moreover when akali phula singh ji was jathedar of akal takth sahib harimander sahib had many pictures of hindu devtas on the walls ... was he not aware of that ??? or he was RSS agent as well as per you ??? No guru ji never worshiped stones but in ZAFARMANA they called aurangzeb and themself as " idol breakers " does that mean they didnt treated all religions equal ? I always expect comments like this from you any how can you specify which tuuk are you referring to from "chaupai sahib" with meaning in here. And before you reply to anything i just want your views on a certain thing ... just pick what you think is correct 1. Sikhism is only way to God. 2. Sikhism is one of the way to God.

Just like queen on england wear socks inside harimander sahib . Ok if thats the case so the next day if he takes part in akhand path he will a sikh again and later he goes to church and light a candle now he is Christan. My point is ----> "Hence no favoritism toward everyone." Which certain people tend to do ... negative things being said about certain people no matter what they do and vice versa... Yup he was hindu thats why he created khalsa raj ... Moreover when akali phula singh ji was jathedar of akal takth sahib harimander sahib had many pictures of hindu devtas on the walls ... was he not aware of that ??? or he was RSS agent as well as per you ??? No guru ji never worshiped stones but in ZAFARMANA I always expect comments like this from you any how can you specify which tuuk are you referring to from "chaupai sahib" with meaning in here.

@ the thread starter being very polite i want to tell you that you are just another example of people who rush into things without proper knowledge. 1. Were you not happy when you were sitting in the darbar where guru granth sahib ji was parkashed ? 2. Were you not happy when they were pouring amrit in your head and telling you to say vaheguru ? 3. Were you not happy the next day you woke up early for nitname ? 4. Were you not happy till you realized SSPC didnt read full bani ? And all of the sudden that amrit changed into mitha panni. This is not good what if in future ur impressed by nihangs and will you again take amrit because they do anti clock wise parikarma of guru sahib when given amrit and after few years some other jatha and cycle goes on. If u knew some thing is missing from very first day go ahead and take amrit but if you start feeling it the day u realized it was SGPC amrit or what ever then there is problem It was time when my grandmother took amrit ... it was prepared at jod mele or at 4 takths only no where else ... people had to go miles and wait for sometimes years to take amrit ... but now we are going no where and amrit is amrit ... Do full path rest of you life it will take you in sharan of Guru gobind singh then taking amrit again with full path but missing you nitname ... seriously SGPC amrit Taksali amrit Nihang amrit etc is a shame for panth what about people who are looking for Gurus amrit ?

I cant write the summery what to write and what to leave but its good specially the pictures. Buy it read it follow the things you like forget the things you dont but its written in a way to make things clear then to make you more confused as many authors would do. Its has straight answers with references from history and other writings why certain things are done in nihang dals/ hazuri singhs to the point not impress upon readers more make more sales. So its to the point book with a frank approach

In sukhmani sahib its written that not only god and guru is one but his bhagats are also the same .... so difference ....

Once a pandit came in darbar of Guru Gobind singh ji and read the forehead of guru ji and told them that Shani (Saturn) is not good which may lead to the problem on all sikhs. To make Shani happy you may donate 100 kg iron 100 kg black daal and 100 liters of oil. Guru ji said ok it was given to him and pandit ji was happy got every thing of carts started moving from Sri Anandpur sahib. When nihangs heard about this they felt bad and decide to loot this pandit and after they looted him they made karahs and other shasters from iron ate the daal and used the oil. After a week pandit ji came back in guru jis darbar and told what happened. Then guru ji asked him now tell me who is stronger your Shani or my Singhs. After that guru ji wrote a bani khalsa mahima which can be found sunder gutka published by budhadal that only donations given to khalsa are reached to guru no donations given to others reach him. Yes jeyotish exits it is a science. Yes they can predict your future i have witnessed many cases my self Yes starts have effects on humans But not on people who are in sharan of the God who are khalsa of Guru Gobind singh not just be words but by actions as well. Warriors control these stars with the power of their muscles

^^^^ You are wrong here ... check my old posts i had a close view on what happened ... and i m hearing this first time and that to on sikhsangat .... it was regarding destruction of buildings by govt force of sgpc not to do sri dasam granth sahibs parkash (jathdar nanadgarh didnt entered the darbar sahib beacause of this parkash on 300 <banned word filter activated>) ... push from akj and taksal not to do jhatka ... Niddar made a point with every thing against jathedar he may not stand this pressure and may change the puratan mareyada of sachkhand thats all nothing more nothing less

Amrit is not the end amrit is the starting. Dont expect to take amrit and ur changed very next morning. Ur heart is pure somewhere thats why you took amrit start with that part of heart fill it with naam simren. My approach to problem have always been different do suppress anything inside you as it will blowout as a volcano one day. Instead start living 2 lives one with naam simren ur seva ur nitname other part with lust anger etc ... but reduce ur second life every day. If you have problem with kaam looking at woman's face make your thought lustful look at her feet. I learned this thing from Nanak parkash granth. A person came to guru sahib with problem of lust guru sahib told dont look at the face of women but at her feet lust will be reduced. give it a try. Dont suppress but reduce it every day dont force your self in any thing if ur week to take the pressure instead make urself strong mentally spiritually and u will be out. The good thing is you know that you have this problem you have realized it and ur willing to find the solution when you know the problem half of it is already solved and regarding pesh or taking amrit again i dont think so its needed as you are not indulged in any sort of sexual activity with other women

We should stop inviting Hindus, Muslims, Christian leaders to gurdwaras as well. But oh we all wanted Mr.Obama to come to Golden temple and bow. Everyone has a political view we live in different countries we like certain leaders we dislike some. My Favt leader visiting Gurdwara great will post pics every where. The leader i hate visiting gurdwara who cares. My Sikh leader i hate visiting gurdwara who cares visting other religious place let me post pics. He visited Harimander sahib last year did seva in langar i dont think so there was a single picture of his on sikhsangat. Do we know Maharaja Ranjit singh gave equal amount of gold to a hindu temple as well in jammu does that make him hindu as well? When you are a leader its your duty to see each religion each person equal. The bigger you think faster you will grow.

Book is a very good full of information and facts.

Its in circulation only on internet like many other stuff including fake hukamnams with guru sahibs name on them etc.... In punjab no one knows about Since 1699 no historical text ever written covers or even talks about it Even jathedars of takths are not aware of this account I have never heard any kathwachak talking about it or any sant mahapursh talking about such account Lastly its claimed as i have read it over the internet to be in some book kept at aligarh university library Here is the contact no of the university +571-2700557 talk to them there is no such book in there library which makes many things clear ... All i m saying before circulating something claiming it to be true and we know people will have blind faith over it when we will say its an eye witness account ... we should atleast confirm where is the hard copy ... if it comes out to be fake it would be one of the biggest paap ...

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You are lucky that u have realised the problem atleast ... many of us spend all their life without even knowing whats wrong ... you have taken the first step by looking at the problem now take the second step by solving them 1 by 1 ... dont try to solve ur problems together and within few hours ... take them one by one ... start listening to katha of maskeen ji one katha each day ... and u will learn a lot ...

Why make it jatt vs chammar ... i havent even used word jatt in my posts ??? Why do jatts feel bad when they are told the truth that majority of them in punjab are treating lower castes people even verse then done by brhamins in punjab ... its hardly to find a village in punjab today where there is a same gurdwara of jatts and chammers ... every one should give a visit back to punjab and see how many gurdwaras are there in their village and who created ... This problem is ignored for years and it has shown bad results and we are ignoreing it even today what would be the possible outcome ... because when someone says jatts the majority in punjab villages are responsible for treating lower caste peoples in village then people take it as attack on themself and as anti-jatt propoganda because they are doing it ... and there are no vaish brhaman and shuder in sikhism ... guru sahib made us kashatriya ... every shasterdhari is a kashatriya ... thats why singh name was adopted ... char varran ek varran karau vaheguru singhan te naam jappau ... i would make four castes in one that is shasterdhari khashtriya ... a true jatt a true ravidasia a true bhapa or anyone can never be a true sikh ... and saying that there is no problem of caste system in sikhi is the biggest ignoreance one can have as a sikh ... jiddan kabutar billi nu dekh ke akhan band kar lainda ke koi billi nahi ayyi ohhi hall hai ... jaat paat de influnce nu sikhich dekh ke akhan band kar lao ke sikhich koi jaat paat hai hi nahi ... and if someone speaks out people call him so ur anti jatt ... See this video and every one is free to take this video as one of the following 1.Showing the biggest problem in sikhism today and try and do something 2.Work of RSS or congress 3.Anti Jatt video 4.Ignore it 5.a fake video such things dont happen its totaly upto us ...

how old are u and where will u be living in punjab and are u willing to live in camps outside punjab there will a free medical camp at hazzor sahib for a month but in june i m not sure but there are free medical camps often at gurpurabs in gurudwaras keep an eye on them ...