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  1. So there is no 'w' in Gurmukhi but we still promote the use of 'Waheguru' any reason for this?
  2. WJKK, WJKF to all - new to the forum but sharing a link to a Punjabi version of Wordle. It may be interesting for any Punjabi readers hoping to practice. You can see people playing it on Twitter. I am no expert so please feel free to send any feedback along. Bhul chuk maaf, thank you!
  3. 'Bulli Bai' is a website that purported to offer Muslim women for 'sale', the second time in less than a year that a fake online auction of this kind has sparked outrage in India. The website was created on GitHub, an American coding platform which developers use to build and host software. This time the app's major language is Punjabi and a turban logo. An engineering student from Bengaluru (south India) has been held by the police for questioning related to the app. The motive is clear, whoever created this app is trying to create hate and anger against Sikhs by using the Gurmukhi script and Sikh symbols. https://www.afternoonvoice.com/bulli-bai-app-attempt-to-kill-two-birds-with-one-stone.html
  4. Sorry about my ignorance, however, I had a thought in my head, most likely something I heard in a Khatha some time ago. Anywhoo, is there a shabad, in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, about Guru Nanak Ji creating the Gurmukhi alphabet from what I recall it was written when he was really young.
  5. How do I pronounce that symbol, what sound is it? Under the word klchray, under the L and Cha.
  6. Trying to think how to ask this right... Is there significance to the brush stroke order of Gurmukhi? Are there symbolic, scientific, engineering or other concepts embedded into Gurmukhi script? Was it originally brushed?
  7. I’ve notice a lot of my cousins in Canada can’t speak Punjabi let alone read it. They are too old to go the the local Punjabi school offered in the gurdwara. They don’t come from religious families and I feel really bad as I think their chances of connecting with Sikhi are pretty slim due to the language barrier. A few have expressed regret that they weren’t encouraged to learn at a young age and their parents spoke only English at home. Any suggestions?
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    GyanKhand Organization

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫ਼ਤਹਿ! We would like to invite the sangat to the official ‘GyanKhand’ Discord Server. Like our Instagram page, Subreddit, and Soundcloud, YouTube, and other platforms, our aim with this platform is to further extend the reach of our content so we can spread and raise awareness of the ancient knowledge passed down by our Gurus, warriors, saints, and scholars. This server is yet another part of our everlasting endeavour to create a large online community for Sikhs; not just one where educated Sikhs can have intellectual discussions, but also a place which those who are interested in learning more about Sikhi can rely on. Furthermore, this server acts as the ideal online hub to learn about Puratan Granths [pre-colonial literature] and Sikh literacy as a whole. This server also offers a ‘Kirtan’ channel where one can engross themselves in heart-warming Puratan Keertan, a ‘Katha’ channel where one can attain the extensive knowledge of the most learned Gianis and Vidvaans, a channel dedicated to sharing and discussing Puratan art/symbology, and many other accommodations. All in all, the official ‘GyanKhand’ discord server is your ideal and fastest growing place to share, learn, and indulge in all things related to Sikhi. What we offer: 24/7 Live Kirtan 24/7 Live Katha 24/7 Live Gurbani Gurbani Santhya Learn Gurmukhi & Punjabi Events with various Parchariks Literature Discussions Support groups Book Clubs Watch others do live Kirtan Hope you join us! Link: https://discord.gg/PwmmkuX6Nd
  9. VJKK VJKF I am currently undertaking Santhiya and my ustaad has set some khoj to find out what ਸਦਰਸ means. I have searched Mahan Kosh and cannot find anything, can anyone shed any light? I’d be most thankful! Fateh
  10. I seriously advise people who don't know how to already, to learn Gurmukhi whilst on lock down, plenty of resources available.
  11. So after 6 months or so I feel comfortable in saying I can sing Japji Sahib, it takes around 34 minutes as I sing it slow and clear. However in saying that , i do not know the meaning of the words being spoken. As I use transliteration when reading but memorized the majority of the paath. I am thinking of starting to read the Gurmukhi versions of Japji Shaib, so I can read and understand clearly. Question is has anyone been in this situation and does anyone have any helpful tips.
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    Reading gurbani

    Does anyone know roughly how long it takes to go from knowing no Gurmukhi to being able to read it fluently
  13. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sangat Jeo A few books on learning written and spoken Punjabi have been uploaded on SikhSangat's Scribd account. Perhaps those of us who are not familiar with Gurmukhi script, or those who want to improve their Punjabi vocabulary and general reading skills will find these self-study books useful. :geek: Links: 1. Colloquial Panjabi - A Complete Language Course by Mangat Rai Bhardwaj - Published by Routledge, London (2004) From the Preface: "This course... is a complete language course which aims at helping you learn the colloquial variety of Panjabi... One of its major objectives is to help the learner take her/his linguistic skills to the level from where she or he is able to take charge of her/his own learning, become her/his own language teacher and attain higher levels without anybody's help. This course has been designed in such a way that you do not have to learn reading and writing at the same time as spoken Panjabi." Read/Download: http://www.scribd.co...at-Rai-Bhardwaj 2. Introduction to Punjabi Language - Unknown Author Read/Download: http://www.scribd.co...unjabi-Language 3. Punjabi Primer - Scientifically designed for easy learning by Dr. Gurbakhsh Singh - Published by The Kalidhar Trust, Gurdwara Baru Sahib, Himachal Pradesh, India From the Preface: "Younger people may find this very helpful for learning to read Gurmukhi. It is based on the conversion method of learning Punjabi. According to this method, one learns to convert the Punjabi alphabet and vowels into corresponding English forms, the use of which the student already knows. It, therefore, enables a person to read Panjabi in about two weeks time. Learning by this technique becomes interesting because one starts reading and writing words the very first day." Read/Download: http://www.scribd.co...Gurbakhsh-Singh 4. Punjabi Reader Level 1 by Ved P. Vatuk - Published by Colorado State University (1964) Description: "A first-level reader is presented, primarily for those students who have a speaking knowledge of Panjabi and some knowledge of Panjabi Grammar. This volume can be used in a general Panjabi language course as a supplement to conversational materials, or by itself in a course on the written language. A glossary and a brief Grammatical appendix have been added to make the reader self-sufficient. Three sections are in this volume -- the first section introduces the writing system, the second section presents selections of increasing difficulty, with vocabulary lists, explanations of Idioms, and exercises relevant to the materials read, the third section is more advanced and includes a one-act play for students wishing supplementary reading." Read/Download: http://www.scribd.co...University-1964 5. Punjabi Reader Level 2 by Ved P. Vatuk - Published by Colarado State University (1964) This is the second volume of the above book. Read/Download: http://www.scribd.co...University-1964 Dhanvaad! :happy2: :bl:
  14. Who else agrees that the Gurmukhi encoded script is in desperate need of work? By work I mean proper encoding of the script for web use. Working on various fonts and having a standard font system et al. I see Arabic/Devanagari done so well, but of course their populations exceed ours. However, even Hebrew has been done so well. I thank the Sikhs and Unicode who have initially encoded the Gurmukhi script, but I personally think we need to develop it further with different styles and expressing it through various forms if we want to keep it alive. I guess tackling this issue will involve some cleaning up of the alphabets themselves (why have the alphabets become so rounded?) - we can do this by taking some inspiration from Sharada/Lahnda (parent systems from which Gurmukhi has evolved from) and also Devanagari. Also the sehari/behari placement needs designation as well, its all over the place from all the fonts I've seen. We would also need to designate a font for several writing styles e.g., cursive, standard header, body text, calligraphic - because we clearly have no output for Gurmukhi at the present moment in the mentioned styles. If there are any computer programmers and designers among us, I'm willing to join in and help develop new fonts/styles for the Gurmukhi script.
  15. The SGPC, as the trendsetter in the Sikh world, has ratified Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa's transliterations of Gurbani which are highly erroneous and lacking the spirit of the original Gurmukhi. Unfortunately, since the green light from the Committee, one finds Khalsa's works all over the internet and in popular literature. For those interested in utilizing proper transliterations, I suggest perusing the Mahan Kosh and older Punjab simplifications which are still available even to this day. Below I present the proper transliteration of a Shabad which is usually employed by Islamic apologia to disparage the Sikh faith. Please note that Khalsa's erroneous transliteration was also used by Basics of Sikhi whilst they were debating whether Guru Nanak Dev Ji asks Muslims to be Muslims as per their own coda or as per Gurmat. 'Salok, Mahalla 1 To call yourself a Muslim is difficult... (here the original Gurmukhi reads 'Je hoye' i.e. if one is a Muslim- an individual who has submitted to Sri Akal Purakh) only then can you call yourself a Muslim. (In the next line, Khalsa has erroneously added in 'Prophet' whereas the original Gurmukhi has no mention of any preceptor:) To be a true Muslim, accept the primal "deen" (faith- by adding primal it means the ever-existent and unsullied truth as elaborated upon in the mool-mantar) as being sweet. Akin to a maskal (a file) scarping away rust, distribute your possessions among the needy. (Here Khalsa adds in 'Muhammad.'It is crucial to note that in the Bachittra-Natak 'Muhammad' is rendered 'Mahudin' whereas the term here is 'Muhanni.') Becoming a Muslim thus, tread via the edicts of deen and all delusions of life and death will be effaced. Accepting the Doer's will and surrendering to the Creator, discard your ego. Only then will your become merciful to one and all; only then can you call yourself a true Muslim.' -ASGGS, Ang. 141. A similar sentiment is again echoed, by the first Guru, on the same ang: '(In Islam) there are 5 prayers performed at 5 times having 5 nomenclatures each. (Vis-a-vis Gurmat the five prayers are) First prayer is of truth, the second of integrity in thought and deed, the third is of wishing prosperity upon all (and not just upon the Dar-al-Islam). The fourth is of possessing clean motives and the fifth is of praise (i.e. praise of Vaheguru). With these particular 5 prayers (as elaborated upon by the Guru), utter the confession of faith, good deeds and way of living; then you are a true Muslim. Oh Nanak, the false (who do not accept these figurative prayers) obtain falsehood.' -Ibid. The structure of this particular Shabad is a 'Pauri.' For a proper understanding of the idea conveyed in a 'Pauri,' the entire passage has to be read before passing any judgement (we do not expect Muslims to know this). The conclusive Shabad, by Guru Ramdass, summarizes the 'Pauri's' main concepts: 'If an individual forsakes aggrandizement, anger, falsehood and slander- if they discard maya and efface their "I-ness." If they discard their lust and hypersexuality- then even whilst residing in the shade of illusion they can obtain the blemishless Lord. If they forsake hubris and attachment to the spouse and progeny; if they abandon the thirst for worldly possessions- if they submerge their consciousness into the giver of bliss. Says Nanak, the True One will reside in that individual's mind. Through the true Shabad, they merge into the name eternal.'
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    Apps to learn Gurmukhi

    Can anyone recommend apps or websites that work to teach Gurmukhi to the older generations.
  17. I was watching this video If you watch between 15:00-38:00 He is talking about Lareevar. https://www.sikhnet.com/pages/lareevar I would like to know if there is any place that can teach me to read Lareevar in Europe? VJKK VJKF /Cloud
  18. This book is out of print and hard to get hold of. I've seen it selling second hand for a small fortune in the past. Very useful to help build up vocabulary. https://www.scribd.com/doc/300210173/An-introduction-to-the-Sacred-Language-of-Sikhs-by-Christopher-Shackle
  19. Came across this video today Of course Naad of gurbani I know about through raag lectures, but how true is his presentation given his association with Yogi Harbhajan and his own given presentation of himself.
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    Urgent Question

    I am Amritdhari for a week or so. I am learning Gurmukhi and I can read Gurmukhi at a slow and okay pace. Is it bad if I do my nitnem in gurmukhi english. Is there a less benefit doing it in gurmukhi english. I am very anxious to know. As sometimes when I do my nitnem I do it right with the pronunciation but I thought to myself as long as I am saying the word right it is the same benefit. Any answers or advice. I will be taking santhiya later on but I was wondering is there a difference?
  21. any one recommend and websites or books to help get started to learn Punjabi thank you
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  23. #1 in this series for Learning Gurmukhi / Punjabi Alphabet. We look at the benefits of learning to read, pronounce and understand the Gurmukhi script (paintee) instead of just using translations and transliterations (romanised). This is all part of Stage 3 in our Five Stage Plan of systematic parchar of Sikhi. In the next videos we will be looking at how words are made in Gurmukhi and how to write and pronounce each letter and vowel. More @http://www.everythings13.org/our-5-po...
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