New Rara Sahib Gurdwara Uk

[Pyara]

Most of the few so called amritdhari sewadars don't even bother wearing their kirpans anymore.

how do you know kirpans are not worn under neath the chola or shirt?

Nirmaley usually wear kirpan under neath.

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Maybe. Can't really see the gatra through the chola or shirts though.

Why do "nirmaley" hide their kirpans? Saw some pics of Baba Isher Singh Kaleranwale and he kept a large Sri Sahib on the outside.

[sunny_singh]

Without disrespecting anyone, when going to the gurudwara I think it's more important to look at yourself instead of picking up what you may believe to be faults in others.

Finally I would like to point out that in Sukhmani Sahib Ji Guru Ji has said "Sant Keh Nindhya Nanaka Bohhr Bohhr Avtar!" <- Make what you can of this however please pay attention to it's meanings (if you are unsure what it means consult someone that does).

I hope this reply gets taken in the context it was inteneded in as I am really not one to argue or become a Keyboard Warrior.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Je Ke Fateh!

Bests - Sunny.

[Guest Akaal108]

Most of the few so called amritdhari sewadars don't even bother wearing their kirpans anymore.

how do you know kirpans are not worn under neath the chola or shirt?

Nirmaley usually wear kirpan under neath.

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Maybe. Can't really see the gatra through the chola or shirts though.

Why do "nirmaley" hide their kirpans? Saw some pics of Baba Isher Singh Kaleranwale and he kept a large Sri Sahib on the outside.

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You probably saw picture of baba isher singh ji kalernwaley wearing big siri sahib outside in amrit sanchar...

Nirmaley don't hide the kirpans...but prefer to keep under neath because of their shant ras nature.

Nirmaley are given shaaastars(study of scriptures, studying adhyatamik concepts ) by Siri Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself.

Nihangs/Khalsa Panth norm however are given shastars(martial race, martial spirit)

One can be both nihang and nirmale together according to circumstances ..in fact we had them in history ie- baba deep singh, baba sahib singh bedi, baba bir singh nurangabad all were nirmaley(saints) and soldiers.

so it's all according to circumstances(hakum).

[sehmbi]

It is easy to make such critisisms and I would generally agree with them. Indeed I would say that these are symptoms of something deeper that we as Sikhs should address.

What has already been mentioned is but a manifestation of poor organisational abilities and lack vision and understanding of the way business is carried out in this modern day and age. The main reason for this is the lack of professionalism and educated people in key positions in the Gurdwaras.

The opening of the Gurudwara was but one example of how many things could have been done better.

We could have:

- Reinforced the sangat of the main functions of Gurudwara.

- In keeping with the prescribed method of reciting bani organised a real classical raag darbar as well as simran.

- We could have produced quality literature - both paper and multimedia to commemorative the opening.

- Improved transperancy and accountability by informing the sangat on how, what and where its monies are being spent.

- Encouraged the sangat to participate in all aspects of the workings of the Gurughar and not just confine themselves to washing utensiles and preparing and serving langar.

The list is endless...

The Gurudwara in its true sense is where a sikh comes to learn and practice gurmat from the true Guru and the Sikh way of living in the modern environment. Let us not let this Gurughar go the way of many others which have become but places of social gatherings, marriages and endless ritualistic akand paths.

It all very well for us to recognise these shortcomings and discuss them amongst ourselves. But we can only call ourselves trus Sikhs if did something about it.

So stop moaning, get off your backsides, go to the Gurudwara and awail yourself to the Guru.

[GurSa Singh]

It is easy to make such critisisms and I would generally agree with them. Indeed I would say that these are symptoms of something deeper that we as Sikhs should address.

What has already been mentioned is but a manifestation of poor organisational abilities and lack vision and understanding of the way business is carried out in this modern day and age.  The main reason for this is the lack of professionalism and educated people in key positions in the Gurdwaras.

The opening of the Gurudwara was but one example of how many things could have been done better.

We could have:

- Reinforced the sangat of the main functions of Gurudwara.

- In keeping with the prescribed method of reciting bani organised a real classical raag darbar as well as simran.

- We could have produced quality literature - both paper and multimedia to commemorative the opening.

- Improved transperancy and accountability by informing the sangat on how, what and where its monies are being spent.

- Encouraged the sangat to participate in all aspects of the workings of the Gurughar and not just confine themselves to washing utensiles and preparing and serving langar.

The list is endless...

The Gurudwara in its true sense is where a sikh comes to learn and practice gurmat from the true Guru and the Sikh way of living in the modern environment.  Let us not let this Gurughar go the way of many others which have become but places of social gatherings, marriages and endless ritualistic akand paths.

It all very well for us to recognise these shortcomings and discuss them amongst ourselves.  But we can only call ourselves trus Sikhs if did something about it.

So stop moaning, get off your backsides, go to the Gurudwara and awail yourself to the Guru.

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Well said veerji/bhanji. Welcome to the forum.

GurFateh!

[sahib singh]

So far my friend said that this gurdwara the head Of Rara Sahib Mahapursh didnt come I mean Sant Baba Bhupinder Singh Ji Rara Sahib Jarg Or Sant Baljinder Singh Rara sahib Rare

[KKV]

aww cant see the pictureeess :sady: