Takht panel clears ‘Jo Bole So Nihal’

[DhadiMania]

firstly, i have said a million times, this old man is just some <banned word filter activated> with some rusty voice, you sure heard him right when he said about the film? (get it...hard to hear what he says with the grumbly voice ....ah crap joke)

how are jathedars elected and why hasnt the sarbhat khalsa, and other jathas such as the AKJ damdami taksal etc tried to get rid of this rusty old man!

gustaphi maaf

[kurtas]

firstly, i have said a million times, this old man is just some <banned word filter activated> with some rusty voice, you sure heard him right when he said about the film? (get it...hard to hear what he says with the grumbly voice  ....ah crap joke)

how are jathedars elected and why hasnt the sarbhat khalsa, and other jathas such as the AKJ damdami taksal etc tried to get rid of this rusty old man!

gustaphi maaf

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Jathedar are selected by the SGPC on political whims.

Things have come to the stage where the SGPC thinks it is bigger than the Akal Takht. The SGPC dimwits should know that the Akal Takht predates them by centuries and as such they have no right to select Jathedar.

Vedanti has now changed his mind and come up with some rubbish statements. I think the whole institution of the Akal Takht has become corrupt. Once again in this case as with when Vedanti cleared "Baba" Dhanwant Su of rape his relative who was accused of taking bribes also went to see the film in Mumbai. Looks as if someone is on the take. Time this Jathedar was replaced and investigated for accepting bribes.

[DhadiMania]

Jathedar are selected by the SGPC on political whims.

why hasnt other jathai like taksal and akj stepped up instead of allowing the sgpc to do what they are doing?

shouldnt the panj make him step down?

Vedanti has now changed his mind and come up with some rubbish statements

hasnt he done any good for the sikh dharam?

SINGH SAHIB GYAANI GURBACHAN SINGH ZINDABAD

(the next jathedar is gyaani gurbachan singh aka head granthi darbar sahib)

i hear he is quite strict and maintains a very strict rehat!

gustaphi maaf

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

too busy fightin over their own jathas..one group is fighting over if Bhindraawala is shaheed, the others are fighting over keski as kakaar..everyone has their own agenda...

[Baldeep Singh]

too busy fightin over their own jathas..one group is fighting over if Bhindraawala is shaheed, the others are fighting over keski as kakaar..everyone has their own agenda...

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Tell me about it - flippin muppets! Even before Ram Raj [Hindu Raj] Master Tara Singh was more concerned about Jatka Meat becoming legal for Sikhs to eat rather than Sikh Raj or Punjabi Suba these came were raised just before 1947. We hav baffooons as leaders and conformists.

[Singh, Mahan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4547139.stm

This news report appeared on the BBC website. In the report the correspondent says "But the makers of the film, who are Sikhs themselves, insist that it does not offend Sikh sentiments in any way" Which one of the actors, or the directors is Sikh? Sunny Deol is an Arya Smaji, ( Arya Smaji Hindus are anti Sikh as any could come. They have been so for more than 125 years- since 1870’s ). Rahul Rawail does not appear to be a Sikh to me. I do not live in the U.K. Perhaps someone from UK should send an email to the BBC pointing out the biased reporting by the “Hindu” reporter.

Below is the text of BBC report.

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Sikhs angry at new Bollywood film

By Asit Jolly BBC News, Chandigarh

Groups of Sikhs in the north Indian state of Punjab have staged protests against the exhibition of a new Bollywood film.

They say the film Jo Bole So Nihaal (which is a Sikh battle cry) denigrates their religion.

Protesters shouted slogans and stoned cinema halls in several towns across the state.

Police have arrested several people and charged them with rioting and disturbing the peace.

In Jalandhar, protesters clashed with police outside a cinema hall showing the film.

Some of the protesters were injured.

In the Sikh holy city of Amritsar, dozens of policemen in full riot gear were deployed to protect the local Rialto cinema house.

Many Sikh religious and political groups are opposing the new film which they say "inappropriately employs religious symbols including the Sikh battle cry: 'bole so nihaal', which has been wrongly used for the name of the film".

But the makers of the film, who are Sikhs themselves, insist that it does not offend Sikh sentiments in any way.

One of the producers, Ponty Chadha, says that people have begun reacting even before seeing the film.

Bollywood director Rahul Rawail said the film had been cleared by a special committee chaired by the head priest of Sikhism's highest religious and temporal authority - the Akal Takht.

But groups opposing the film have questioned the clearance given to the film by the Akal Takth, Joginder Singh Vedanti.

In a related development, the secretary of the Shiromani Gurudwara Prabandhak Committee - a powerful Sikh committee that administers all historic Sikh shrines and institutions in north India - has written to the Indian Censor Board, which has certified the film.

Story from BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/worl...sia/4547139.stm

Published: 2005/05/14 12:57:27 GMT

© BBC MMV

[sher_panjabi]

This what daas has written 2 bbc:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/ne...600/4032695.stm

I am emailing you in regards to this news article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4547139.stm

It states:

"But the makers of the film, who are Sikhs themselves, insist that it does not offend Sikh sentiments in any way.

One of the producers, Ponty Chadha, says that people have begun reacting even before seeing the film."

This is wrong misleading information which is not professional at all.

Sunny Deol is not a Sikh.  Nor are the film producers.  Sunny Deol and his family are believe and follow 'Arya Samaaj', not Sikhism.  To write this in your aritcle, is mis-understanding.

Your reporter, Asit Jolly, also did not mention that the Sikh sacred slogan is being used by a man who is clean-shaven, drinks and dances vulgarly with half-naked women -- this is utter disrespect.  The songs in the films have been shown on television which show the use of the sacred Sikh slogan and Sikh scriptural text being used in a song with half naked women who are dancing about. 

Also, the main character, played by Sunny Deol, is called 'Nihal' in the film.  A play on the Sikh slogan. 

I would appreciate if the journalism was more researched and professional.

Kindly correct the information on the website.

Regards

[kurtas]

>>Bollywood director Rahul Rawail said the film had been cleared by a special committee chaired by the head priest of Sikhism's highest religious and temporal authority - the Akal Takht. But groups opposing the film have questioned the clearance given to the film by the Akal Takth, Joginder Singh Vedanti.

Just what we did not want has happened. The press and the film producers are using Vedantis clearance of the film to justify its release.

[Singh, Mahan]

Some of the leaders of the protest were to hold a conclave at the Akal Takht today. I do not know what was the outcome of that meeting. This news appeared at The Times of India news website

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1110566.cms

Vedanti may land in Jo Bole So Nihal soup

YUDHVIR RANA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK [sATURDAY, MAY 14, 2005 11:11:48 PM ]

AMRITSAR: Akal Takht jathedar Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti and his personal assistant Prithipal Singh Sandhu could face the ire of Sikhs for giving a go-ahead to Amarjit Singh to withdraw his petition filed in the Punjab and Haryana High Court, demanding a ban on the film 'Jo Bole So Nihal'.

An 11-minute mobile phone conversation between Amarjit and Vedanti-Sandhu, the recording of which is in possession of Dal Khalsa leader Kanwarpal Singh and Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) Jagmohan Singh, reveals that Vedanti gave his consent to withdrawal of the petition.

The phone call was made by Amarjit at Vedanti’s residence. Vedanti asked Amarjit to call again at 8.30 pm. When Amarjit called again, the phone was picked up by Sandhu, who claimed to have seen the film and tried to glorify the film.

Amarjit told Sandhu that he had received the probe report sent by Akal Takht and asked whether he should withdraw the petition. Sandhu replied that the petition was not filed with the consent of Akal Takht. Amarjit again pleaded for guidance so he may not take a wrong step. At this, Sandhu told him that he should withdraw the petition. Amarjit then expressed the wish to talk to Vedanti, who justified Sandhu’s stand.

Kanwarpal told TNN on Saturday that their stand that Vedanti had played a 'spoilsport ' by not honouring the Sikh sentiments over the issue, had been vindicated by the recording, which would be played during the conclave at Akal Takht on Sunday.

[Singh, Mahan]

To update – some news

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http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050516/main6.htm

Jo Bole...’ director ready to cut scenes

Tribune News Service

Amritsar, May 15

Bowing to the pressure of Sikh organisations, the director and producer of the controversial film, ‘ Jo Bole So Nihal’ today agreed in principle to accept all recommendations of the 15-member SGPC panel regarding removal of objectionable scenes from the movie.

The panel is likely to submit its report by May 19.

It is reliably learnt that Rahul Rawail, Director of the film, has conveyed his willingness to accept the recommendations of the panel to Bibi Jagir Kaur, SGPC chief, on telephone today. Mr Himanshu Seth, Public Relations Officer to the Director, told TNS that the producer had no intention to hurt the sentiments of the Sikh community. He said the film was released only after getting a clean chit from Akal Takht. Mr Manmohan Singh, General Manager, Ginnies Arts, the main distributor of the film, said the director and producer of the film were open to suggestions.

It is learnt that the director has agreed to change the title of the film even. According to sources, Mr Parmjit Singh Sarna , president, Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee, played a significant role to convince the Director and film distributor in this regard.

Meanwhile, the Sikh conclave held at Akal Takht here today, served a five-day ultimatum to stop the screening of controversial film. A resolution passed on the occasion announced that Sikh jathas would march towards the cinema halls to stop the screening of the film on Friday (20 May) in Ludhiana, Sunday (22 May) in Amritsar and Tuesday (May 24) in Jalandhar.

Interestingly, Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, Jathedar, Akal Takht, was not in the city as he had gone to New Delhi to attend some program.

The Sikh conclave also sought ‘sacking’ of Mr Charnjit Singh Chadha as president, Chief Khalsa Diwan, for allegedly ensuring a ‘clean chit’ to the controversial film through Jathedar, Akal Takht. However, Mr Chadha has denied this.

Earlier, there was little flutter during the conclave when a senior member of the Khalra Mission Committee wanted immediate ‘disowning’ of Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti as Jathedar Akal Takht.

The five Sikh bodies Khalsa Panchayat , Dal Khalsa , Khalra Mission Committee ,Sikh Students Federation (Bittu) and Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) resolved to physically stop the screening of the controversial film in case the Punjab government did not do so by Thursday.

Mr Rajinder Singh, chairman of the Khalsa Panchayat, and Mr Kanwarpal Singh , general secretary, Dal Khalsa, asked the government to withdraw the cases registered against Sikh youths for demonstrating against the film in various parts of the state.

Prominent amongst those who present included Bhai Ram Singh, Daya Singh Khakar, Anoop Singh Sandhu,Jagir Singh Wadala, all SAD (A) leaders, Dr Daljit Singh of Dal Khalsa, Mr Charanjit Singh Channi of Khalsa Panchayat, Mr Jaspal Singh Manjpur and Mr Prabsharanbir Singh from Sikh Students Federation (Bittu).

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http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.ppa?...y~sexy~innuendo

Jo Bole... stumped by sexy innuendo

Press Trust of India

Posted online: Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 1115 hours IST

Updated: Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 1347 hours IST

Allahabad, May 14: Hearing a PIL seeking ban on the screening of Hindi film Jo Bole So Nihal, the Allahabad High Court today directed the Union of India and the state of Uttar Pradesh to file their counter affidavits. in the PIL, filed by Kanpur-based organisation 'Akaal Purakh Ki Fauj' and others.

It has been alleged that there were some semi-nude scenes in the film, which hurt the religious sentiments of many people, as the title of the film is considered a sacred chant by the followers of the Sikh religion.

The petition alleged that obscenity and nudity in the film was violative of Articles 25 and 26 of the Constitution, providing with the right to freedom of religion. hearing the PIL, a two judge bench comprising Chief Justice A N Ray and Justice Ashok Bhusan order the central and the state governments to file their counter-affidavits. The film's lead actor Sunny Deol and director Dev Kohli have also been made parties in the case along with others.