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Italy and the Sikhs

>>About a century or two ago, the Pope decided that all the Sikhs

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>>had to leave Italy. Naturally there was a big uproar from the

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>>Sikh community. So the Pope made a deal. He would have a

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>>religious debate with a member of the Sikh community. If the

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>>Sikh won, the Sikhs could stay. If the

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>>Pope won,

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>>the Sikhs would leave. The Sikhs realized that they had no

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>>choice.

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>>So they

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>>picked a middle-aged man named Harbinder Singh to represent

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>>them. Harbinder asked for one addition to the debate. To make

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>>it more interesting, neither side would be allowed to talk. The

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>>Pope agreed.

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>>The day of the great debate came. Harbinder Singh and the

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>>Pope

>>sat opposite each other for a full minute. Then the Pope raised

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>>his hand and showed three fingers. Harbinder looked back at him

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>>and raised one finger. The Pope waved his fingers in a circle

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>>around his head. Harbinder pointed to the

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>>ground where he sat. The Pope pulled out a wafer and a glass of

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>>wine.

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>>Harbinder pulled out an apple.

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>>The Pope stood up and said, "I give up. This man is too good.

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>>The Sikhs can stay."

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>>An hour later, the cardinals were all around the Pope asking

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>>him what had happened. The Pope said, "First I held up three

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>>fingers to represent the holy trinity. He responded by holding

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>>up one finger to remind me that there was still one God common

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>>to both our religions. Then I waved my finger around me to show

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>>him that God was all around us. He responded by pointing to the

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>>ground and showing that God was also right here with us. I

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>>pulled out the wine and wafer

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>>to

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>>show

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>>that God

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>>absolves us from our sins. He pulled out an apple to remind

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>>me

>>of original sin. He had an answer for everything. What could I

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>>do?"

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>>Meanwhile, the Sikh community had crowded around Harbinder

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>>Singh."What happened?" they asked "Well," said Harbinder,

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>>First he said to me that the Sikhs had three days to get out

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>>of here. I told him to get lost and not one of us was leaving.

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>>Then he told me that this whole city would be cleared of Sikhs.

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>>I let him know that we were staying right here."

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>>Yes, and then???" asked the crowd.

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>>I don't know", said Harbinder, "He took out his lunch, and I

>>took out mine!!!"

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