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[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

"No such thing as Kalyug. Satjug, etc. "

I think there is a glich in your Matrix.

[Guest Guest]

Yup it is written in gurbani there is yugs.

And we are definately in Kalyug...look at the world around us, too much bad stuff going on.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Yup it is written in gurbani there is yugs.

rwmklI mhlw 1 AstpdIAw

<> siqgur pRswid ] soeI cMdu cVih sy qwry soeI idnIAru qpq rhY ] sw DrqI so pauxu Julwry jug jIA Kyly Qwv kYsy ]1] jIvn qlb invwir ] hovY prvwxw krih iD|wxw kil lKx vIcwir ]1] rhwau ] ikqY dyis n AwieAw suxIAY qIrQ pwis n bYTw ] dwqw dwnu kry qh nwhI mhl auswir n bYTw ]2] jy ko squ kry so CIjY qp Gir qpu n hoeI ] jy ko nwau ley bdnwvI kil ky lKx eyeI ]3] ijsu iskdwrI iqsih KuAwrI cwkr kyhy frxw ] jw iskdwrY pvY jMjIrI qw cwkr hQhu mrxw ]4] AwKu guxw kil AweIAY ] iqhu jug kyrw rihAw qpwvsu jy gux dyih q pweIAY ]1] rhwau ] kil klvwlI srw inbyVI kwjI ik®snw hoAw ] bwxI bRhmw bydu AQrbxu krxI kIriq lihAw ]5] piq ivxu pUjw sq ivxu sMjmu jq ivxu kwhy jnyaU ] nwvhu Dovhu iqlku cVwvhu suc ivxu soc n hoeI ]6] kil prvwxu kqyb kurwxu ] poQI pMifq rhy purwx ] nwnk nwau BieAw rhmwxu ] kir krqw qU eyko jwxu ]7] nwnk nwmu imlY vifAweI eydU aupir krmu nhI ] jy Gir hodY mMgix jweIAY iPir Elwmw imlY qhI ]8]1] {pMnw 902-903}

pd ArQ :—soeI—auhI [ cVih—cVHdy hn [ idnIAru—{idnkr} sUrj [ sw—auhI {not :—pVnWv ‘sw’ iesq®I ilMg hY Aqy ‘so’ puilMg hY} [ Julwry—JuldI hY [ jug jIA Kyly—jug (dw pRBwv) jIvW (dy mn) ivc Kyf irhw hY [ Qwv kYsy—QwvW auqy ikvyN (Kyf skdw hY) ? not :—l&z ‘Qwv’ l&z ‘Qwau’ qoN bhu-vcn hY} [1[

jIvn qlb—jIvn dI qlb, suAwrQ [ qlb—loV, ie`Cw [ invwir—dUr kr [ hovY prvwxw—(inAW) mMinAw jWdw hY [ iD|wxw—zor, D`kw, zulm [ lKx—l`Cx, inSwnIAW [ vIcwir—smJ [1[rhwau[

ikqY dyis—iksy BI dys ivc [ qh—auQy, aus QW [ auswir—auswr ky, bxw ky [2[

squ—au~cw Awcrn [ CIjY—iC`jdw hY, (lokW dIAW nzrW ivc) if`gdw hY [ qp Gir—qp dy Gr ivc, ijs dy Gr ivc qp hY, qpsÍI [ nwau—prmwqmw dw nwm [ eyeI—iehI (hn) [3[

iskdwrI—srdwrI, cODr [ KuAwrI—iz`lq, durgiq [ kyhy—kwhdy vwsqy ? iskdwrY—iskdwr ƒ [4[

AwKu guxw—(prmwqmw dy) gux AwK [ kil AweIAY—(jy) kiljug (BI) AwieAw mMn ilAw jwey [ kyrw—dw [ iqhu jug kyrw—iqMnW hI jugW dw [ rihAw—rih igAw hY, mu`k igAw hY [ qpwvsu—inAW, pRBwv [ dyih—(hy pRBU !) qUM dyvyN [ q pweIAY—qW (ieh gux hI) pRwpq krn jog hn [1[rhwau[

kil—(iehI) kljug (hY) [ kl vwlI—klh vwlI, JgVy vDwx vwlI [ srw—Srh, Dwrmk kwƒn [ inbyVI—inbyVw krn vwlI, &Yslw dyx vwlI, inAW krn vwlI [ kwjI—JgiVAW dy &Ysly krn vwlw hwkm [ ik®Snw—kwlw, kwly idl vwlw, v`FI-^or [ krxI—au~cw Awcrn [ kIriq—prmwqmw dI is&iq-swlwh [ lihAw—(lokW dy mnW qoN) lih gey hn [5[

pUjw—dyv-pUjw, dyviqAW dI pUjw [ piq—pRBU-pqI [ sq—au~cw Awcrn [ sMjmu—ieMid®AW ƒ rokx dw jqn [ jq—kwm-vwsnw ƒ rokxw [ kwhy—kIh lwB ? ivArQ [ suc—pivq®qw [6[

kil—ieh hY kiljug [ prvwxu—(jyhVy "iD|wxw krih" auhnW dy dbwau hyT) mMny jw rhy hn [ rhy—rih gey hn [7[

eydU aupir—ies qoN syRSt [ Elwmw—iglw, Srm-swrI [ qhI—auQy [8[

ArQ :—(hy pMifq ! Awpxy mn ivcoN) ^ud-ZrzI dUr kr (ieh ^ud-ZrzI kiljug hY [ ies ^ud-ZrzI dy Asr hyT jrvwxy lok kmzorW auqy) D`kw krdy hn qy (auhnW dIAW nzrW ivc) ieh D`kw jwiez smiJAw jWdw hY [ ^ud-ZrzI qy dUijAW auqy D`kw—hy pMifq ! iehnW ƒ) kiljug dy l`Cx smJ [1[rhwau[

(ijs Asl kiljug dw izkr AsW kIqw hY aus) kiljug dw pRBwv hI jIvW dy mnW ivc (KyfW) Kyfdw hY iksy ^ws QwvW ivc nhIN Kyf skdw (ikauNik sqjug qy®qw duAwpur Awidk swry hI simAW ivc) auhI cMd®mw cVHdw AwieAw hY, auhI qwry cVHdy Aw rhy hn, auhI sUrj cmkdw Aw irhw hY, auhI DrqI hY qy auhI hvw JuldI Aw rhI hY [1[

iksy ny kdy nhIN suixAw ik kiljug iksy ^ws dys ivc AwieAw hoieAw hY, iksy ^ws qIrQ kol bYTw hoieAw hY [ ijQy koeI dwnI dwn krdw hY auQy BI bYTw hoieAw iksy nhIN suixAw, iksy QW kiljug mhl auswr ky nhIN bYT irhw [2[

jy koeI mnu`K Awpxw Awcrn au~cw bxWdw hY qW auh (sgoN lokW dIAW nzrW ivc) if`gdw hY, jy koeI qpI hox dw dwhvw krdw hY qW aus dy ieMd®uy Awpxy v`s ivc nhIN hn, jy joeI prmwqmw dw nwm ismrdw hY qW (lokW ivc sgoN aus dI) bdnwmI huMdI hY [ (hy pMifq ! BYVw Awcrn, ieMd®y v`s ivc nwh hoxy, pRBU-nwm v`loN n&rq—) ieh hn kiljug dy l`Cx [3[

(pr ieh ^ud-ZrzI qy kmzorW auqy D`kw suKI jIvn dw rsqw nhIN) ijs mnu`K ƒ dUijAW auqy srdwrI imldI hY (qy auh kmzorW auqy D`kw krdw hY) aus dI hI (ies D`ky-zulm dy kwrn Aw^r) durgiq huMdI hY [ nOkrW ƒ (aus durgiq qoN koeI) ^qrw nhIN huMdw [ jdoN aus srdwr dy gl ivc Pwhw pYNdw hY, qW auh auhnW nOkrW dy h`QoN hI mrdw hY [4[

(hy pMifq ! qyry kihx Anuswr jy hux) kiljug dw smw hI Aw igAw hY (qW BI qIrQ vrq Awidk krm kWf dw rsqw C`f ky) prmwqmw dI is&iq-swlwh kr (ikauNik qyry Drm Swsq®W Anuswr kiljug ivc is&iq-swlwh hI prvwn hY, qy) pihly iqMn jugW dw pRBwv hux mu`k cukw hY [ (so, hy pMifq ! prmwqmw Agy ieauN ArzoeI kr—hy pRBU ! jy b^SS krnI hY qW Awpxy) guxW dI b^SS kr, ieh hI pRwpq krn-jog hY [1[rhwau[

(hy pMifq) kiljug ieh hY (ik muslmwnI hkUmq ivc D`ky-zor nwl) JgVy vDwx vwlw ieslwmI kwƒn hI &Ysly krn vwlw bixAw hoieAw hY, qy inAW krn vwlw kwzI-hwkm v`FI-^or ho cukw hY [ jwdU tUixAW dw prcwrk) AQrbx vyd bRhmw dI bwxI pRDwn hY [ au~cw Awcrn qy is&iq-swlwh lokW dy mnW qoN lih gey hn—iehI hY kiljug [5[

pqI-prmwqmw ƒ ivswr ky ieh dyv-pUjw iks ArQ ? au~cy Awcrn qoN ^wlI rih ky ies sMjm dw kIh lwB ? jy ivcwrW vloN rok-QMm nhIN qW jnyaU kIh sMvwrdw hY ? (hy pMifq !) qusI (qIrQW qy) ieSnwn krdy ho, (srIr ml ml ky) DoNdy ho, (m`Qy auqy) iqlk lWdy ho (qy ies ƒ pivq® krm smJdy ho), pr pivq® Awcrn qoN ibnw ieh bwhrlI pivq®qw koeI mu`l nhIN r`KdI [ (Asl ivc ieh BulyKw BI kiljug hI hY) [6[

(ieslwmI hkUmq dy D`ky zor dy hyT) SwmI ikqwbW qy kurwn ƒ pRvwngI id`qI jw rhI hY, pMifqW dIAW purwx Awidk pusqkW rih geIAW hn [ hy nwnk ! (ies zor D`ky hyT hI) prmwqmw dw nwm ‘rhmwn’ AwiKAw jw irhw hY—ieh BI, hy pMifq ! kiljug (dw l`Cx) hY (iksy dy Dwrimk ivSvws ƒ D`ky zor nwl ‘iD|wxy’ nwl dbwxw kiljug dw pRBwv hY) [ hy pMifq ! hr ieko krqwr hY hI ieh sB kuJ krn vwlw jwx [7[

hy nwnk ! jo mnu`K prmwqmw dw nwm jpdw hY aus ƒ (lok prlok ivc) ie`zq imldI hY, nwm jpx qoN vDIk cMgw hor koeI krm nhIN hY (pMifq qIrQ vrq Awidk krmW ƒ hI slwhuMdw rihMdw hY) [ (prmwqmw hryk dy ihrdy ivc v`sdw hY, aus dw nwm BulwieAW ieh sUJ nhIN rihMdI qy mnu`K hor hor Awsry q`kdw iPrdw hY) prmwqmw dwqwr ihrdy-Gr ivc hovy qy Bu`lV jIv bwhr dyvI dyviqAW Awidk qoN mMgdw iPry, ieh doS jIv dy isr AwauNdw hY [8[1[

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Singhmota, Guru Nanak Ji addresses the Brahman in the Aastpadeaa that it is the same Sun, Same moon, same planet, same atmosphere, then how is this time period called a dark age? Kalyug is not a time period, Guru Ji said your vishai vikaar is the real kalyug. You use the English translations, they have been done without thought and without hard work put into them. Please read Gurmukhi aarth by Prof. Sahib SIngh.

Singhmota, looks like you are not good at Gurmukhi so you have to go to english translations. Like I said dnload the audio if you can't read Punjabi. Also no one answered if Kaamdhain exists, if Paarjaat rukh exists. Have you guys ever heard of it? Most of you haven't. Looks like. Now what is Singhmota and his buddies going to do? They are going to use CTRL F and look for it in the English translations. I read the English translations. They are off. They don't expplain anything. Translations are just one lineers in that teekah. You use translations by Sant SIngh Khalsa from Tucson, Arizona. They are the ones that are on SikhiTotheMax.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Who was here is Duapar? Krishan? What did he do? Rapes? Danced with women and ran around with his ego? How about traiata? WHo was here? Raam? What did he do? Havans? Assaulted Raavan's sister? Beat Ravan by cheating? Killed a low caste person doing Bhagtee? Did whatever Brahmans told him? How was he God then? Brahman was the God then, because he did whaever Brahman said. The reason was Raam came was due to a Saraap from a Brahman. This is a long story. No need to mention it here. How about Satyug? Who was here? Parmraam? What good did he do? Nothing. He had flaws too. Kalyug is Kaam Kroadh Loabh Moh Hankaar and other visshai vikkar according to Gurbani. Not a time period. It is the state of mind not a ohysical thing. In Satyug, people lived for 100,000 years. DO you belive that too? How about 10,000 in Duapar? How about 1,000 in Traita? How about 100 in Kalyug? No country has an everage age of 100. Not even close. Maximum is 89. I forgot what the country name was. 4 Yugs is the creation of Brahman. If stuff like 4 Yugs exist and all these ages? Then what was wrong with hinduism? Why a new religion? The fact is that vedas, purans, etc. are full of mytholog like that. Guru Ji rejected these things such as Kalyug, Kaamdhain, Paarjaat, etc.

Lets see what Mahan Kosh says about the meaning of Kal

Kal: 1. Paap (sin) 2. Jhagra (fighting) 3. 4th Yug 4. Warrior 5. People living in the age called Kal

Then there are 2 other meaning which don't need to written. Check Mahan Kosh if needed.

Once again, Guru Ji says if you are away from corruption of all types and are away from sin and you praise the Lord, you are in Satyug. If you do drugs, have kaam, krodh, etc. problems and don't think about God. You are in Kalyug. Like I said before. Kalyug and Satyug are not time periods.

[Guest buddy of singhmota]

khalsa fauj.....tell us ur take on post number 7 plz......and sahib singh is no authority......will talk about sahib singh teeka laters first you clear up the shabad mentioned in post 7

waiitng for your reply hope u a true khalsa fauj not gidar panthi

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Singhmota didn't give me the Aang number but I found it. That is why I din reply to that. I asked for Aang number. No one told me but I found it.

prPUlqw rhy ]1]

Ab klU AwieE ry ]

Aab Kaloo Aaeiou Ray ||

Now, that You have received this human life, it is time to

ieku nwmu bovhu bovhu ]

Aik Naam Boavhu Boavhu ||

Plant the Name, Plant the Name of One and Only.

Plant the Name where? In your heart, mind and soul.

[Guest buddy of singhmota]

All you had to do to get ang was to copy that pangti and search using any tool on the net.....at the max 30 seconds........rather you were waiting for someone to tell you the ang...........can you not? ok thats sorted now!!!!!!! hopefully this tip will be useful to you next time.

In the pangti in post no.7 IT is mentioned that kaljug is here.

My question to you is that IS it not???

Do you disagree and believe that guru saab has not said that kuljug is here?????

And about planting it is the same asnwmu KyqI bIjhu BweI mIq ]

what does sahib singh says on the pangtis in post no.7.....does he say that guru sahib is saying there is no kaljug?????

[The Khalsa Fauj]

In the long SHabad I posted, Guru Ji rejects kalyug etc. It is rejected clearly in that Shabad. So are you trying to say Guru Ji rejects something then accepts then rejects again? I want simple answer. I think you didn't look at that Shabad and you still don't udnerstand what I said in previous posts. Guru Ji used the word for visshai vikkar, not the time period.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Prof. Sahib Singh says the same thing. You said he is nothing. Lok brother, 12 lakh copies of his teekhas were being sold each month. I don't know how many per month now.