The Things We Say Or Write

[jagjit_waheguru]

waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

Pyare jio, over the last two weeks, I was busy at work, but also had some time free due to internal computer problems at work. While waiting I used this time to go on 2-3 messageboards, rather than the one that I usually just skim through. Next week back working all day again.

While going on the messageboards, I made an observation which I would like to share. Considering the education and number of Gursikhs who share veechaar on so many boards, it is amazing the attitudes, and language sometimes. Words like "kanjar, or kanjari", some open swear words, and something even worse . Essentially we are all Waheguru`s children who come to learn.

If we analyse our actions. We go to great lengths to protect ourselves from the 5 vikaars when it comes to food and dress. We do not dress to induce vikaars in anyone. So why are we so loose with our language?

Should we not be even more strict with our language and attitude so that we do not induce vikaars in others?

We can quote the bani, and know that Gursikhs should only be softly and sweetly spoken, but also not slyly and cleverly to induce hurt, anger in others aswell. The same when we write.

Whatever comes out of our mouths is a reflection of what is really in us.

On some boards, some people have hidden agendas, others they are just insulting, or threatening to others, some are just cheeky. Not of this behaviour is worthy of any Gursikh, but it is all Gursikhs who do this.

When a Gursikh speaks it should be like water to a fire. It takes away the heat, and brings calm and balance.

When we read messages or posts, ones instinct can usually pick up the intentions of the other poster. If it is a paap for us to wear clothes that creates vikkaars in the eyes of others, then it is a far greater Paap for us to write or say something which creates vikaars in others.

Some of us write with our real names. We stand by what we write and are judged by others accordingly. Many have hidden IDS. Some abuse that by being cheeky, clever or worse. We think we get away with this behaviour because nobody knows, and nobody sees. But Guru ji and chitaar gupt records and the Dharam Raj judges, if we induce vikkars in others.

Reading some threads one is amazingly inspired, reading others one wonders about Gursikhs.

Would it not be excellent is every Gursikhs wrote sincerely, without causing offense intentionally, without predjudice, and without hate. Would it not be even better if sikhs were so civil in their behavior that the world looked upon them. Would it not be even better if when every Gursikh wrote something, it brought calmness and sehaj, and induces pyaar and inspiration in each other.

Then when new people come, they will stay, grow in their spirituality and collectively as a sangat we would strive forward.

waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

[humble_kaur]

Fateh Veer Ji,

Thank you for your post. I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree with you that some posts, that have good intention to them, seem to go off topic and into discussions that are irrelevant. I, myself, seek inspiration from this site, but lately have been not visiting it as much due to the slandering that has become such a repetitive thing.

No matter how much we debate a certain topic, the views of the poster will not change. They will write things irrationally based purely on emotion. I agree with you that if we are all here to learn Guru Ji's Word, then our words should be based on Gurbani.

I know a few people on this forum that are starting to question what a Gursikh is. Is this the way we should talk to each other. We advertise love between us, but at the same time, we don't show it. There is constant nindha on here. I understand many have different views and opinions, some are more knowledgeable than others, but isn't this a learning process for all of us? If we are all students of Guru Ji, our Teacher, he would fail us all for behavior, regardless of how much knowledge one had. Knowledge is one thing, to implement it and carry it in your life is another. Many know a great deal, but like you said, the words they write surely do emphasize the character of the person.

There was a post on Nindha. I suggest people should read it.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...=0entry121809

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jagjit singh ji, good post,

may i add another inspirational post by good freind of mine in this thread, this is deep one, leaves imprints of long "wow" behind :T:

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh

Dear Guru Pyare Sangat Ji,

There is non higher than Ik-Oankar, everything is in the hands of the supreme consciousness and in our lives we move about like leaves in the wind. We are all subject to the Hukam of the divine Majesty. May we stay in love with the feet of this Majesty and look to no other till the last breath.

Even in a moment as individuals we are particles of dust on the earth. In the cosmos of space we are dissolved like a molecule of water in an infinite volume of water. In the infinite expanse we are swallowed up like the rain falls into the sea, but again in the moment, we cannot see the noose of time tightening its grip. Unfortunately in our illusion we loose sight of this.

The face is behind all. Our Satguru does not remain hidden, but the veil remains over our eyes. Satguru Ji is infront of us, but we shut our hearts off from the powerful loving presence. Our minds conceptualise everything we see, and thus we loose the innocence, the fascination, the beauty of this life. Everyday we tend to loose our laughter and joy, in the seriousness of the mind.

We judge, we make statements we cannot prove, we point fingers at other souls on the same journey of life. We mock them for supposedly taking a wrong turning, but do we really know the destination? Have we become one with what we are searching for? Surely we can only know if we have arrived there. We remember our own humaness and forgive ourselves, but we forget "they are human". We seek forgiveness from Sri Akal, and the Panj Pyare, but we cannot even in a dream forgive anybody else. That would be destorying our ego, something which the mind clutches onto each second.

Everyone we see who is different we place into a dark box of conceptuality. If something does not relate to our ego and concept of "I", we discard it as heretical. We fool ourselves into thinking our way is the right way. We loose the beauty of individuality, the creativeness of the Master, and we pervertedly call for homogenity. We fail to see each specie in life has many shades and varieties, myriad ways of existence, and countless forms that we cannot ever hope to quantify. Again we fail to see this individuality in our fellow human beings.

The very nature of IK-Oankar, the Sargun Nirgun Nirankar does not ring a note in our minds. We say everything is in the hukam, but then we seek to condemn. We seek balance in our existence, but we remain blind to the equilibrium that has played its flute since the beggining of time. Every beautiful flake of snow, has a structure different to the next. Infinity plays its tune in everything, that is the hand of the infinite that created and creates all, ceaselessly. We confine this endlessness into a narrow alley way, that only the elite can squeeze into.

We cannot see the flood, the torrent that cleanses the dirt away. All we see is the stagnant pool of our thoughts, ever producing an odour that only the cannibals, ghosts and ghouls enjoy bathing in.

To master the mind is to master the age, even though our ego likes to believe we have mastered our minds. Thus to compensate we seek to control others, and make them emulate. We all try to keep the status quo, and the social confirmity in groups. Those with us are right, those who are not are wrong.

The Guru has told us no ideology, no religion, ever survives the onslaught of time. In Mir Mehdi and Kalki Avtar this is illustrated. In Sau Sakhi the fate of the Khalsa is told again and again. However in this minute, in this negligble space of time, our own ideologies are the only truth, which of course we believe will last forever.

Our leaders, our Sant, our Group, our Jatha is the elite in the Panth. That have the "God-Given" yardstick of morality to measure every other group or individual. Those that conform to the standard are fine, those that do not, fall into exclusion and are the subject of attack. Bibek Bibeki are terms that are used day in and day out. In Parasnath Bibek and Abhek were consumed by Agane, in order to see the truth. Agane being the Parkash of Light or Jot in each person. Hence why in the 33 Swayyae, "Jagat Jot Japai Nisbasar", rituals, fast, ritualistic penance and meditations we do not believe in, only the worship of the radiance of Parmatma. Agane is a reference to this "tap". To burn away ones impurities, via the radiance of Vahiguroo.

It is easy to love those that love you, but hard to love those that do not. Therefore in this state of mind we cannot see the Sargun in that person. However we find many excuses, day in and day out, with no real justification. Those others say this, or believe this, or do this, so why love them? Let us just throw stones at them, then everything will be solved. Then this sense of frustration within me will also subside. Is that Sikhi ?

If we are perfected, if we are choosen, there is no need to venture into other peoples existences, but our own. The completeness and balance will talk for itself, and magnetically attract others. The sense of insecuriy, and paranoia however tend to plague the deluded mind. Which can only send out hate via whatever channel is disposable to it. In anger we loose intelligence, and drop to an idiotic state of mind where no sense of reason or argument exists. It becomes a war of them and us, this is a sorry sad state of mind. However the adrenal glands fuel such behaviour, but the length of such a high temper is finite, as the body will have to suffer as well as the mind.

People do not search the Shabad as Guru directed, but listen to examples of the Shabad via somebody else's interpretation. They lack their own ability to research the Guru. Therefore really they become followers of some elses interpretation of Gurbani, and naturally all others but this are wrong. Their leader was infact enlightened, like no one else has ever experienced this since the beggining of time, and to them religion started at the birth of their leader. They cling sentimentaly on to the memories, of the "chardikalah days of the puratan Singhs", but they cannot see the intrinsic goodness around them today.

In the cases of broken families, this network provides valuable support for those that have no emotional support. They forget the words of Guru Nanak, that those that believe, their family become exalted. The love they recieve from various groups, compensates for the lack of it from their own family. Those that enter the Gurus Path by taking intiation, do so in many known instances to disguise some underlying deficiency.

In society the criminals are said in some sociological theories to contribute and aid the Elite. In this way the self proclaimed "Elite" in the Panth, wind their networks to include those adept at extortion, violence, and theft. They keep this relationship to provide, a way of dealing with their inadequacies. Unable to look at their "enemy" in the eyes, they loose honour by sending thugs who are in the garb of Sikhi. This is the so called Sikhi of today and this trend sadly is present world wide.

We see ourselves as a Panth but forget our wider duty to humanity as the larger Panth and all as Gods children. We fight amongst each other like Dogs over scraps. We fail to see that we are the children of the same father. The arguments that occur are really due to other underlying competitive reasons. The resultant jeslousy eats away at us, in order to recognise it we must have it ourselves naturally. It eats us up like maggots on a corpse.

One meaning of the word Dharma is to be civilised. In psycology and sociology, this is highest concept of man, being able to tolerate and live with each other. The ancient Greeks and Indians divised many systems to keep the peace. In terms of Sikhi, a parrallel is when Guru created Amritsar a cosmopolitan place, a utopia within a state, where Guru built Mosques and Mandirs, and provisions for all. Today the Panth is tribal. It is divided, by the Pandits on high.

People now take amrit to join Sants or Groups, not the Panth. They say, "Our amrit is higher due to such reasons". Are people taking Amrit to surrender to the Guru, their Man, Tan, and Dhan? Or to your tribal ideologies? Are they taking it because of their own depression, family problems, or sexual orientation. There is already a group of Homosexual Amritdhari's fighting with their orientation, which is apparent to all by their campness. Is it that you have you got problems with your self esteem, that abusing everybody else makes you feel better? Or being with the "tribal elite" makes you feel secure? Does your group condemn caste, but then never allow inter-caste marriage. As well as remarriage to those that are divorcees? Maybe they keep face to their tribe, but have no real Dharam.

The following are a few questions that have to be asked by the youth . Hasten to add very stupid questions, but they are the present state of affairs :

Are you somebody who condemns two people dating, and infact you are now with one of those individuals yourself? Or that you simply did that to be with one of them? Have you actually condemned alcohol yourself, but then sell it in your shop? Do you believe in respecting your dharam infront of the wider world, but care nothing at knocking someones dastar of in haste? Do you believe in religious tolerance, but then condemn every person that does not fit your puritanical views? Do you comment on peoples personal lives, when infact you are an adulter yourself? Is your frustration vented out because you lost your potential partner to someone else of another tribe? Or they liked someone not from your tribe? Is your facism so pronounced that you make women destroy their own feminity and beauty, so that you can control them? Does this make you feel like a man? Do you hate another tribe because someone you like, likes them more than she/he likes you ?

We follow many external rites, we live in an external and artifical world. Has our Sikhi turned this way? Are we looking within or without? Does the two hours of simran we do, justify slandering everyone else for the rest of the day? Does the Nitnem for an hour, justify the sense of self righteousness and the condemnation of others? Does our Nam Abhiyas and Amrit Vela justify our aggressive stance, which is to the extent of attacking others? Does our vegitarianism become real love ? Do we attack those that eat flesh or like the Namdharis who were convicted in their faith of being Vegitarian actually closed down the Slaughter houses ? If you wish to attack anything, bring over your mind with love, into Sehaj. Then you can change those you hate, internally, instead of trying to intimidate them externally.

If you are strong, which is what you portray to the world. If your Sant is so high, if your leader or group are the best, and that they have so much spiritual and physical power. Then this is a humble benti to the charan of such great Gursikhs:

" You have so much strength, your way is true, you are a strong community then please dont pick on the few weak people who do not agree with you. Guru has said people like you will fight hundred and thousands of enemies."

Therefore go out of the surreal world of the internet into the real world and then finish of Al-Qaida. Close down those who believe in living Gurus like the Nirankari’s and remaining Darshan Dasi’s that have Derey in your areas. If you are against cigrattes and alcohol, make a political movement to stop them. Stop the testing on animals and slaughter, and the use of leather as clothing. Stop the destruction of the rain forests, the decline of the Ozone layer by use of Chloroflurocarbons. If your vegitarianism means so much, then surely you would be trying to do something bigger, than condeming those that consume flesh. Surely to eradicate the source, means more that abusing the user. Stop the use of pesticides on crops that kill the small mice and rodents, promote organic crops, and ban the use of non-organic food in the langar. Otherwise the blood is on your hands whether you choose to see it or not. For each grain of wheat, many micrograms of pesticide have killed. Therefore live up to your ideals. Think of Sarbatt Da Bhalla, something which we read each day three times at least.

In conclusion, if this post offends that was not is not the aim. If you are really secure about your prowess, beliefs and strength, then do not bully the weak. Choose to forgive and forget, and live and let live. Khalsa is about freedom not enforcing ideals on anyone. We have to see that we are all hypocrites compared to Satguru. If we keep this is mind it will help us all to get along. If you are convincted then do not pick on the small fry, chase and catch the Sharks.

Kamalroop Singh

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh

[humble_kaur]

self - edit (went off topic...oops)

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I thought this would be helpful in this post:

Four types of Conversations.

1) Heth - Where you listen to someone because you know they have more kamai and more knowledge than you. You are humble when listening. This also applies to school.

2) Vaadha - Where you actually do your research and share to positively add to a conversation constructively. Even if there is disagreement, you should not hurt another's feelings or prove that you are better.

3) Jalapa - Where you say stuff to put the other down. Try to make yourself look good.

4) Vitaardha - Where you keep talking and don't listen to anyone else (the majority of us).

*** This is from a sakhi where some pundits asked Guru Hargobind Ji what type of conversations are allowed. Guru Hargobind Ji said a Gursikh only takes part in the first 2 types of conversations. ***

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

jagjit singh ji, good post,

may i add another inspirational post by good freind of mine in this thread, this is deep one, leaves imprints of long "wow" behind  :T:

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh

Dear Guru Pyare Sangat Ji,

There is non higher than Ik-Oankar, everything is in the hands of the supreme consciousness and in our lives we move about like leaves in the wind. We are all subject to the Hukam of the divine Majesty. May we stay in love with the feet of this Majesty and look to no other till the last breath.

Even in a moment as individuals we are particles of dust on the earth. In the cosmos of space we are dissolved like a molecule of water in an infinite volume of water. In the infinite expanse we are swallowed up like the rain falls into the sea, but again in the moment, we cannot see the noose of time tightening its grip. Unfortunately in our illusion we loose sight of this.

The face is behind all. Our Satguru does not remain hidden, but the veil remains over our eyes. Satguru Ji is infront of us, but we shut our hearts off from the powerful loving presence. Our minds conceptualise everything we see, and thus we loose the innocence, the fascination, the beauty of this life. Everyday we tend to loose our laughter and joy, in the seriousness of the mind.

We judge, we make statements we cannot prove, we point fingers at other souls on the same journey of life. We mock them for supposedly taking a wrong turning, but do we really know the destination? Have we become one with what we are searching for? Surely we can only know if we have arrived there. We remember our own humaness and forgive ourselves, but we forget "they are human". We seek forgiveness from Sri Akal, and the Panj Pyare, but we cannot even in a dream forgive anybody else. That would be destorying our ego, something which the mind clutches onto each second.

Everyone we see who is different we place into a dark box of conceptuality. If something does not relate to our ego and concept of "I", we discard it as heretical. We fool ourselves into thinking our way is the right way. We loose the beauty of individuality, the creativeness of the Master, and we pervertedly call for homogenity. We fail to see each specie in life has many shades and varieties, myriad ways of existence, and countless forms that we cannot ever hope to quantify. Again we fail to see this individuality in our fellow human beings.

The very nature of IK-Oankar, the Sargun Nirgun Nirankar does not ring a note in our minds. We say everything is in the hukam, but then we seek to condemn. We seek balance in our existence, but we remain blind to the equilibrium that has played its flute since the beggining of time. Every beautiful flake of snow, has a structure different to the next. Infinity plays its tune in everything, that is the hand of the infinite that created and creates all, ceaselessly. We confine this endlessness into a narrow alley way, that only the elite can squeeze into.

We cannot see the flood, the torrent that cleanses the dirt away. All we see is the stagnant pool of our thoughts, ever producing an odour that only the cannibals, ghosts and ghouls enjoy bathing in.

To master the mind is to master the age, even though our ego likes to believe we have mastered our minds. Thus to compensate we seek to control others, and make them emulate. We all try to keep the status quo, and the social confirmity in groups. Those with us are right, those who are not are wrong.

The Guru has told us no ideology, no religion, ever survives the onslaught of time. In Mir Mehdi and Kalki Avtar this is illustrated. In Sau Sakhi the fate of the Khalsa is told again and again. However in this minute, in this negligble space of time, our own ideologies are the only truth, which of course we believe will last forever.

Our leaders, our Sant, our Group, our Jatha is the elite in the Panth. That have the "God-Given" yardstick of morality to measure every other group or individual. Those that conform to the standard are fine, those that do not, fall into exclusion and are the subject of attack. Bibek Bibeki are terms that are used day in and day out. In Parasnath Bibek and Abhek were consumed by Agane, in order to see the truth. Agane being the Parkash of Light or Jot in each person. Hence why in the 33 Swayyae, "Jagat Jot Japai Nisbasar", rituals, fast, ritualistic penance and meditations we do not believe in, only the worship of the radiance of Parmatma. Agane is a reference to this "tap". To burn away ones impurities, via the radiance of Vahiguroo.

It is easy to love those that love you, but hard to love those that do not. Therefore in this state of mind we cannot see the Sargun in that person. However we find many excuses, day in and day out, with no real justification. Those others say this, or believe this, or do this, so why love them? Let us just throw stones at them, then everything will be solved. Then this sense of frustration within me will also subside. Is that Sikhi ?

If we are perfected, if we are choosen, there is no need to venture into other peoples existences, but our own. The completeness and balance will talk for itself, and magnetically attract others. The sense of insecuriy, and paranoia however tend to plague the deluded mind. Which can only send out hate via whatever channel is disposable to it. In anger we loose intelligence, and drop to an idiotic state of mind where no sense of reason or argument exists. It becomes a war of them and us, this is a sorry sad state of mind. However the adrenal glands fuel such behaviour, but the length of such a high temper is finite, as the body will have to suffer as well as the mind.

People do not search the Shabad as Guru directed, but listen to examples of the Shabad via somebody else's interpretation. They lack their own ability to research the Guru. Therefore really they become followers of some elses interpretation of Gurbani, and naturally all others but this are wrong. Their leader was infact enlightened, like no one else has ever experienced this since the beggining of time, and to them religion started at the birth of their leader. They cling sentimentaly on to the memories, of the "chardikalah days of the puratan Singhs", but they cannot see the intrinsic goodness around them today.

In the cases of broken families, this network provides valuable support for those that have no emotional support. They forget the words of Guru Nanak, that those that believe, their family become exalted. The love they recieve from various groups, compensates for the lack of it from their own family. Those that enter the Gurus Path by taking intiation, do so in many known instances to disguise some underlying deficiency.

In society the criminals are said in some sociological theories to contribute and aid the Elite. In this way the self proclaimed "Elite" in the Panth, wind their networks to include those adept at extortion, violence, and theft. They keep this relationship to provide, a way of dealing with their inadequacies. Unable to look at their "enemy" in the eyes, they loose honour by sending thugs who are in the garb of Sikhi. This is the so called Sikhi of today and this trend sadly is present world wide.

We see ourselves as a Panth but forget our wider duty to humanity as the larger Panth and all as Gods children. We fight amongst each other like Dogs over scraps. We fail to see that we are the children of the same father. The arguments that occur are really due to other underlying competitive reasons. The resultant jeslousy eats away at us, in order to recognise it we must have it ourselves naturally. It eats us up like maggots on a corpse.

One meaning of the word Dharma is to be civilised. In psycology and sociology, this is highest concept of man, being able to tolerate and live with each other. The ancient Greeks and Indians divised many systems to keep the peace. In terms of Sikhi, a parrallel is when Guru created Amritsar a cosmopolitan place, a utopia within a state, where Guru built Mosques and Mandirs, and provisions for all. Today the Panth is tribal. It is divided, by the Pandits on high.

People now take amrit to join Sants or Groups, not the Panth. They say, "Our amrit is higher due to such reasons". Are people taking Amrit to surrender to the Guru, their Man, Tan, and Dhan? Or to your tribal ideologies? Are they taking it because of their own depression, family problems, or sexual orientation. There is already a group of Homosexual Amritdhari's fighting with their orientation, which is apparent to all by their campness. Is it that you have you got problems with your self esteem, that abusing everybody else makes you feel better? Or being with the "tribal elite" makes you feel secure? Does your group condemn caste, but then never allow inter-caste marriage. As well as remarriage to those that are divorcees? Maybe they keep face to their tribe, but have no real Dharam.

The following are a few questions that have to be asked by the youth . Hasten to add very stupid questions, but they are the present state of affairs :

Are you somebody who condemns two people dating, and infact you are now with one of those individuals yourself? Or that you simply did that to be with one of them? Have you actually condemned alcohol yourself, but then sell it in your shop? Do you believe in respecting your dharam infront of the wider world, but care nothing at knocking someones dastar of in haste? Do you believe in religious tolerance, but then condemn every person that does not fit your puritanical views? Do you comment on peoples personal lives, when infact you are an adulter yourself? Is your frustration vented out because you lost your potential partner to someone else of another tribe? Or they liked someone not from your tribe? Is your facism so pronounced that you make women destroy their own feminity and beauty, so that you can control them? Does this make you feel like a man? Do you hate another tribe because someone you like, likes them more than she/he likes you ?

We follow many external rites, we live in an external and artifical world. Has our Sikhi turned this way? Are we looking within or without? Does the two hours of simran we do, justify slandering everyone else for the rest of the day? Does the Nitnem for an hour, justify the sense of self righteousness and the condemnation of others? Does our Nam Abhiyas and Amrit Vela justify our aggressive stance, which is to the extent of attacking others? Does our vegitarianism become real love ? Do we attack those that eat flesh or like the Namdharis who were convicted in their faith of being Vegitarian actually closed down the Slaughter houses ? If you wish to attack anything, bring over your mind with love, into Sehaj. Then you can change those you hate, internally, instead of trying to intimidate them externally.

If you are strong, which is what you portray to the world. If your Sant is so high, if your leader or group are the best, and that they have so much spiritual and physical power. Then this is a humble benti to the charan of such great Gursikhs:

" You have so much strength, your way is true, you are a strong community then please dont pick on the few weak people who do not agree with you. Guru has said people like you will fight hundred and thousands of enemies."

Therefore go out of the surreal world of the internet into the real world and then finish of Al-Qaida. Close down those who believe in living Gurus like the Nirankari’s and remaining Darshan Dasi’s that have Derey in your areas. If you are against cigrattes and alcohol, make a political movement to stop them. Stop the testing on animals and slaughter, and the use of leather as clothing. Stop the destruction of the rain forests, the decline of the Ozone layer by use of Chloroflurocarbons. If your vegitarianism means so much, then surely you would be trying to do something bigger, than condeming those that consume flesh. Surely to eradicate the source, means more that abusing the user. Stop the use of pesticides on crops that kill the small mice and rodents, promote organic crops, and ban the use of non-organic food in the langar. Otherwise the blood is on your hands whether you choose to see it or not. For each grain of wheat, many micrograms of pesticide have killed. Therefore live up to your ideals. Think of Sarbatt Da Bhalla, something which we read each day three times at least.

In conclusion, if this post offends that was not is not the aim. If you are really secure about your prowess, beliefs and strength, then do not bully the weak. Choose to forgive and forget, and live and let live. Khalsa is about freedom not enforcing ideals on anyone. We have to see that we are all hypocrites compared to Satguru. If we keep this is mind it will help us all to get along. If you are convincted then do not pick on the small fry, chase and catch the Sharks.

Kamalroop Singh

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh

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Namstang,

you have really good posts, could you please consider changing the font color though? Looks like a MOD note and is kind of hard on the eyes....thanx.

BTW, awesome post!

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Done done :TH:

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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Thanks for the info about the 4 conversations- i was unaware of them.

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH.