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The Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Divine Category

By Janet Lant

Listen Chris Hammers, I never got around to telling you some of the things about

Sikh religion that convince me of its authenticity. One major evidence is the "Holy

Book" of Sikh religion known as the "Guru Granth Sahib Ji". The Guru Granth

Sahib was complied over a period of 240years by the hands of the beings that

founded Sikh religion. All copies are matched to the original handwritten one. It is

scientifically impossible for any known being to write a book with all the qualities

found in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Below are some of those amazing qualities:

1. It is written using very deeply profound words obtained from over 16 languages.

(I would say that it's words are more profound then that of any other Book on the

planet, but that would not get anywhere, I would be simply dismissed as being

biased)

2. The words from over 16 incompatible languages are incorporated in a way that

they make perfect sense.

3. The alphabet the Guru Granth Sahib uses was invented by the Supreme Beings

that wrote it. The Alphabet is called Gurmuki, it is impossible to make a spelling

mistake using this alphabet because it has logical grammar rules. Every word or

sound can only be written one way. Not like English where the k in knife is silent.

This is the easiest alphabet to master. I bet the world would be using computers a

long time ago to write things using speech recognition programs if Gurmuki was

the business language of the world.

4. Every sentence is written in poetry of the highest order. (William Shakespeare

would have been envious.)

5. At the same time every sentence rhymes.

6. At the same time everything is in music verse form, so that all sorts of musical

instruments can be played while it is sung.

Sikh religion believes praying should be a very pleasurable, stress reliving,

thought provoking event. Most other religions believe praying should be a act of

submission(Catholics make you kneel allot!), unquestioningly following rituals,

and fear of a jealous Angry God (the Ten Commandments of Judao-Christianity

state something about God being a Jealous God and one prone to Anger.) Now

Chris, tell me does it make sense following a God who is so immature he gets

Jealous, how insecure could that kind of a God be! And how wimpy and

powerless must this God be if he gets Angry.

The God of Sikh religion never gets Jealous because he made all those

awesome things that make insecure persons jealous. Sikh religion also says God

is without anger. Their is a very beautiful song about this in the Guru Granth

Sahib!

Plus before the Equal Rights movement, infact 540 years before , Guru Nanak

said many nice Praises about women, instead of condemning them like all the

other great religions do.

Quotes about Women in Sri Guru Granth Sahib In praise of women.

"We are born of woman, we are conceived in the womb of woman, we are engaged and

married to woman. We make friendship with woman and the lineage continued because

of woman. When one woman dies, we take another one, we are bound with the world

through woman. We grow up stronger and wiser having drunk milk from the breast of

woman. Why should we talk ill of her, who gives birth to kings? The woman is born from

woman; there is none without her. Only the One True Lord is without woman" (Guru

Nanak Dev, // Asa, pg. 473)

Marriage is an equal partnership of love and sharing between husband and wife.

"They are not husband and wife, who merely sit together. Rather they alone are called

husband and wife, who have one spirit in two bodies." (Guru Amar Das, Pauri, pg. 788)

Women have an equal right to participate in the congregation.

"Come my sisters and dear comrades! Clasp me in thine embrace. Meeting together, let

us tell the tales of our Omnipotent Spouse (God). In the True Lord are all merits, in us all

demerits." (Guru Nanak Dev, Sri Rag, pg. 17)

God is the husband and we are all his brides.

"The spouse is but One and all others are His brides. The false bride assumes many

religious garbs. When the Lord stops her going into another's home, then is she

summoned into her Lord's mansion without any let and hindrance. She is adorned with

the Name and is dear to her True Lord. She alone is the true bride and the Lord lends her

His support." (Guru Nanak Dev, Ramkali, pg. 933) (note: Lord is one of the names of

God)

God is our Mother as well as our Father.

"Thou O Lord, art my Father and Thou my Mother. Thou art the Giver of peace to my soul

and very life." (Guru Arjan Dev, Bhairo, pg. 1144)

The rape and brutalities committed against women by the Mughal invader Babar

condemned.

"Modesty and righteousness both have vanished and falsehood moves about as the

leader, O Lalo. The function of the Qazis and the Brahmins is over and the Satan now

reads the marriage rites (rape). The Muslim women read the Quran and in suffering call

upon God, O Lalo. The Hindu women of high cast and others of low caste, may also be

put in the same account, O Lalo." (Guru Nanak Dev, Tilang, pg. 722)

The practice of women burning themselves on their husband's funeral pyre (sati)

condemned.

"They cannot be called satis, who burn themselves with their dead husbands. They can

only be called satis, if they bear the shock of separation. They may also be known as

satis, who live with character and contentment and always show veneration to their

husbands by remembering them." (Guru Amar Das, // Suhi, pg. 787)

The ritual of dowry so prevalent in many societies condemned.

"Any other dowry, which the perverse place for show, that is false pride and worthless

gilding. O' my Father! give me the Name of Lord God as a gift and dowry." (Guru Ram

Das, Sri Rag, pg. 79)

First Supreme Being Guru Nanak laid the foundation of Sikhism which believes in

a casteless, egalitarian society which guarantees equal rights to Women. Each of

the Supreme Being Gurus under authority of God gave women equal status.

They gained social and religious freedom at a time when the existing religions

and society considered women to be property. The false notion that they were

inherently evil and unclean was removed. A woman was regarded as temptationincarnate.

The Gurus exposed the folly of such notions. [Judaism, Islam,

Christianity, Hinduism, Jainism, they all directly say Women are Unclean and

Inferior.].

Sixth Supreme Being Guru Hargobind called Woman "the conscience of man". In

religious gatherings, men and women sang and preached without any distinction.

The wearing of purdah (women wearing veils to hide the face) was rejected as

demeaning to women. Guru Hargobind refused to have dinner with any Queen

who wore a veil.

Ik OnKar: means "One Creator" The circle is a chuchrum representing the

Universe, the double edged sword represents the positive and negative side of

the Force, the 2 swords on the outside of the sphere represent the hands of the

One Creator protecting and beholding all that exists and beyond.

Dear Inquisitive, challenging brother "Chris Hammer", I will answer all your

questions in better detail when time permits. For now I will torpedo your points.

PLEASE READ THE KHALSA CONSENSUS ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF

GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI. Then you will see that Sikhs have more Divine proofs

then any other Religion. I was born and still am a Christian, but I will soon

Convert to Sikhism. The main reason being the Bible is anti-Women, it talks

about the Woman’s Curse, the Old testament says God wants you to steal a

baby boys foreskin, Science now says that mutilative operation is very harmful to

the Defenseless infant boy, Mothering Magazine did a Science article on it. But

Sikhs knew one should never destroy any Gift God gives, so cutting of a skin

from the genitals is quite Evil, what happened to Human Rights, The Sikh religion

Honors infants and all beings! Everyday a teaching of the Bible is found to be

harmful.

First: You claim the proof that a revelation is truly from God, is Prophesy! As you

know any occult palm reader etc... can claim they predicted an Earth Quake a

year before it happened. All a Psychic has to say is next year the Earth will

shake. Chances under rules of Science are that there is a good chance that

some kind of explosion or Earth Shaking activity will happen in a year, so

Prophesy is just clever manipulation of history.

You say ""The Bible prophesied hundreds of years in advance giving detailed

accounts of the major empires of the world and all major cities of the ancient

world as well as the names of two emperors 200 years before they were born".

I have read the Bible, I find that these so called revelation do not prove anything

anyone can make them, it's easy to turn anything written in the past into a

accurate prediction, by stretching interpretations to suite an end result.

Not to really answer your challenge. SIKHS do not depend on Prophesy,

because God like a Movie producer can make any changes whenever He/She

wants to. What Proves the Sikh religion came directly from God is it is the only

Religion in the world that has perfect Science. Your Bible was the reason Galileo

was almost Executed, because the Bible was saying the Earth is Flat & the Sun

revolves around the Earth. This Male Egotistical writing is now proven face by

Science. The First Supreme Being GURU NANAK, "The Light that Dispels the

Darkness", wrote many Divine Poems describing Solar Systems. If you know

science you know Solar System means a planetary system in which all the

planets revolve around a central Star.

Second proof The first Supreme Being or Light that Dispels the Darkness-Guru

Nanak with his own hands at the order of God wrote Hymns that say the Earth

and many planets are round. I will now Quote a Divine Poetic Quote translated

from Gurmuki, that teaches that not only is Earth Round but there are

uncountable Earths(planets), Uncountable Solar Systems around which they

orbit, Uncountable Galaxies. Chris Hammer, you know that it was only a few

decades ago when "Hubble" an astronomer discovered that we live in a Galaxy,

then much later Hubble discovered that there are many Galaxies outside our

own. Well Mr. Hammer, the Sikh Holy Scripture which is the only Holy Book

written by the Founder(s) of its faith. That is like saying Jesus wrote the Bible,

instead of Chauvinistic men 100's of years after Jesus died.

The Guru Granth Sahib, over 540 years ago stated that their were Countless

Galaxies, Galileo was not born until 100 years later. Guru Nanak did not have a

Telescope or vast scientific resources like Galileo did. If that is not enough & you

demand Sikhs to have prophesy to be valid, then I will give you something no

human not even Jesus knew, the Gurus said there are Universes upon

Universes, Spheres upon Spheres. What this means is that when you reach the

end of our 15 billion light years size Universe, go many times that distance into

empty space, you will encounter the neighboring Universe, keep traveling and

the scenario will repeat. Now the Spheres upon Spheres means that about 400

trillion Universes each the size of our one Universe make a Spherical structures

called a Sphere, & that there are countless numbers of these huge Spheres each

containing Trillions of Universes.

Now Mr. Hammer, your God is a God of 1 Flat Earth, 1 spiritual heaven, & 1

Spiritual Hell! The Sikh God as I mentioned above is bigger, his Earth is a

Sphere, he is master of many Planets, Universes, Galaxies etc.. plus his is

master of countless Physical Heavens in addition to 1 Spiritual Heaven +

countless Physical Hells in addition to 1 Spiritual Hell! So your God Mr. Hammer

is quite small in power etc... How come your Bible did not mention this.

Now to give you a prophesy, in the Future your Scientists will discover that the

Sikh religion was correct when Guru Nanak stated there are Universes upon

Universes, then much further into the future your Scientists will eventual realize

that Trillions of these Universes form a Sphere. Below is the Quote! Enjoy!

"There are worlds upon worlds, solar systems upon solar systems, galaxies upon

galaxies, universes upon universes, spheres upon spheres, They function

according to Command of God. God gets joy by thinking of and beholding His

Creation;"

"Beyond this Earth, there are many more and more earths. What power bears

their load from underneath? (Not the supposed bull, but God's Force)."

"God's One Word created the world's expansion. And lacs of rivers began to

flow."

"There are nether worlds and more nether worlds below them and there are lakhs

of skies over them. Limitless the worlds beneath, limitless the worlds above. One

may grow weary of searching out His limits. One can never reach the end of His

Vastness."

"The continents, worlds and solar system, established by God, sing His glories.

God's enlightened beings steeped in the Name, who are pleasing to God, sing

His praises"

"God has His seat and His storehouses in all the worlds. Whatever is stored, was

put only once for all, enough forever!"

"How many Indras, moons, suns, and how many Star Systems[surya Mandals],

and stars, How many [countless], Siddh, Buddhas [like Gautama Buddha], Nath

[Gurus], and how many forms and incarnations of Devi [Durga],How many

Angles, Demons, Speakars of Truth[Muni], and countless Oceans having

precious stones,"

My Dear brother Chris Hammers,

You say "I am very sorry to hear of your bad experience with Christianity, but

don't make the mistake of throwing out the baby with the bath water."

Now listen, why do you consider my future plans of upgrading(converting) to

Sikhism, as throwing out the baby with the bath water. I am not interested in

converting because I had bad experience with Christianity, how could I have a

bad experience when all I knew as an infant was Christianity.

My parents like you tried to discourage me from embracing Sikh ways, they said

Sikhism is primitive religion. I then proved to them exactly how misguided &

ignorant they were. I did this by pointing out that Christianity began 2000 years

ago, it was a primitive mans attempt to understand God. So it is Christianity that

is primitive, Sikhism I taught my parents is a Religion of Divine Science.

You gave some quotes from the Bible, about Stars, but the Man who wrote that

had no idea that a star is a HOT SUN like our sun, not a cool pretty shiny grain of

sand in the sky. Most of my relatives understand the Bible considers stars to be

Gods heavenly wallpaper nothing more. Only in the Sikh religion is it clearly

stated that Stars are Suns because the Guru Granth states Suraa Mundala,

meaning solar systems.

I never said a Guru is "The Supreme Being". What I said is "The First Supreme

Being GURU NANAK, "The Light that Dispels the Darkness", wrote many Divine

Poems describing Solar Systems."

The Sikh religion states there is only one "SAT GURU" meaning True God. When

I refer to Guru Nanak as a First Supreme Being, it means Pala Mehel or First

Mehel, it does not mean GOD. God is The One Supreme Being, the Gurus were

one step below as Supreme Beings under the One True Supreme Being. The

word GURU comes from 2 words GU & RU, GU means Light, RU means

Darkness. Combined they mean "The Light That Dispels The Darkness" or

simply GURU. Clearly each of the 10 Gurus were and are Supreme Beings

working for God the One True Supreme Being. Guru Nanak walked the Land like

Jesus, only difference is Nanak walked much further distances, infact Nanak at a

minimum based on other nations historical records walked enough to circle the

Earth 3 times over. But in the future I feel the distance record will increase even

further, for example the nation of ITALY has villagers reporting their ancestors

made company with Nanak, and the Provincial Governments of CHINA are

reporting, that they had visits by Nanak, they have now proved that Nanking

province And Nanaking City were named to Honor First Supreme Being Nanak.

If you read Genesis or the TORAH it has a section called "The Woman's Curse",

which is a Man made Bible teaching that God punished Women because a

mythical Eve gave Adam a forbidden fruit. I will give you an exact quote when

time permits. This Bible chapter states that a women had monthly menstrual

cycles because God has Cursed her. In Genesis it also says a Woman's

Husband shall strike her in the Head. Read the Bible & the Old Testament or

Torah and you will see how much hatred of woman there is in there. It talks of

God wanting Woman to be submissive to Man.

I am a MD and no Bible Thumping Man tells me what to do. I told my Fiancee

that I am almost sure I am converting to Sikhism & if he is unwilling to do the

same, then he can hit the road. He said whatever I want he wants too. I have

been teaching him many of the Khalsa Books on Sikhism, and he is impressed at

the GURU's teachings.

Chris Hammers, I studied all the religions, and found all flawed, only Sikhism was

able to withstand my fierce assault. I tried & Tried to find fault in Sikhism, I found

NONE! When I first saw a Sikh, I thought he was a Muslim, I latter I learned that

most Muslims never wear a Turban, a Sikh wears a Turban, because it Give a

Free Cranial Adjustment & tells Him & everyone else that he is beneath no one

and only God is above Him!

The Pro Woman aspect of Sikhism is only one of the many Divine Reasons I am

planing on Upgrading to Sikhism. I find Sikhism is a very advanced Dharma for

the Modern world. My current religion just has no place to meet my Modern

Demands, its not like after I got my MD, some guy with a Old Testament is going

to put me in the Kitchen, because some imaginary MALE GOD told him a

Woman belongs in the Kitchen, HA HA! Of course I do allot of work in the

Kitchen, but only when I want to cook something I Love & avoid the unhealthy

restaurant food.

The Tenth Supreme Being Guru Govind Singh, when traveling by the woods, got

of his horse upon the sight of a Tombacoo Plant (Tobacco Plant). He then drew

his Kirpan (holy Sword) and chopped it up, then with his feet he smeared it into

the ground. Onlookers belonging to many different religions, asked the Tenths

Supreme Being, why have you destroyed that plant? The Tenth Supreme Being

replied " Alcohol will destroy one Generation, But Tombacoo will destroy many

generations.

Chris Hammers, as you know it was only about 4 years ago that Scientist

discovered that Second hand Tobacco Smoke kills, thus destroying(damaging or

killing) the fetus and destroying the lives of children & great Grand Children &

friends. So because the 10th Supreme Being was in constant communications

with the One True Supreme Being(Ik Onkar, Sat Nam) he had access to absolute

Science. Did the Men who wrote the Holy Bible not know about Tobacco, were

the not in communication with the One True Creator? Sikhism is the only Faith

that forbids Tobacco in its Scriptures. Read the English Translations by SANT

SINGH KHALSA, also a MD! I only hope that God will let me earn the only True

Degree there is the "Degree of Divine Sikhia".

Chris it was my Medical Colleagues who during the 50's started routine

Circumcision of Defenseless Babies. This was done to make extra income for

medical professionals, Circumcision increases the transmission and acquiring of

STD's. Plus many other problems, In my next posting I will give over 70 Scientific

references proving my point. I will do this not to prove you wrong, but to prove

another Sikh wrong. Chris even Jesus tried to ban Circumcision, because the

practice is Satanic, no Loving God would ask anyone to chop of a very valuable

pleasure producing part.

Read the next post, then you will see the proof!

Until the past 12 years I when to Church every Sunday, now hopefully I will get to

go to Gurdwara any day of the week as convenient. Instead of hearing a fiery

sermon, I will get to enjoy Divine Music & Hymns!

And Chris Hammer, Only Ik Onkar or One Creators name is Precious, not a Nice

Guy named Jesus. I get the impression you are a Religious Fanatic, something

that the Sikh Dharm shuns. Because Fanaticism puts a wall between ones

spiritual connection to One True Creator.

Sikhs don't waste time spreading Sikhism like other religions do because, one

does not give away Diamonds. I am lucky I came across this True Diamond, I

only hope I have the IQ it takes to follow the Super Advanced Spiritual Teachings

of the "Lights that Dispel the Darkness or Gurus".

See, I am not the only one that knows a Turban gives a Cranial Adjustment. It is

a law of Physics, not Indian culture. Sikhism is from the future, Indian is from the

past, you can take the wayward path if you like. Your comments indicate you

already made many a wrong choice. And, Jass Singh, the Gurus were & are

Supreme Beings, and there is nothing you can do to hurt them or lower There

power. Some other Sikh, wrote that Punjabi Sikhs are cutting their Hair and trying

to blend in with western culture. Well that's their & their parents poor

understanding of Divinity of Sikhism. So by dumping diamonds they don't hurt me

one bit, its their loss. I as a very Modern American, know I am becoming even

more Modern by adopting the Guru's (the Lights that Dispel the

Darkness)teachings and way of life. If Punjabi Sikhs misbehave they loose big

time. I have looked at all Religions and Sikhism is the only Dharm that can exist

in its current form on any Planet in Any Universe, maybe the Punjabi Sikhs don't

deserve this best of all Universal Knowledge anymore.

I wore a Kara to the last continuing medical education seminar, and some of my

colleagues asked me about it. So I told them what it was and about Sikh Dharm,

they showed great interest in learning more. Two of the ladies from the group

asked where they could get a translation of the Sikh Holy book. Page 14 of the

Khalsa Consensus Translation must be what peaked there interest! If God gave

me more time, I know it would be so easy to get far more individuals interested in

Sikhism! I never ever saw a Sikh of India sharing knowledge of Sikhism with a

Non-Sikh. Probably a good thing in disguise, because, I have been told so much

misinformation by Native Sikhs. For example some tell me Meat is good, then

they justify such butchery by saying the Gurus ate it. When I ask them for proof

they come up with sloppy translations. I then waste time dissecting them and find

the Gurus are speaking against killing animals in those passages. For a person

like myself, it is so obvious the Gurus could never condone eating meat. As meat

is unhealthy & a Shameful destruction of LifeForce. I quit eating meat 12 years

ago, way before I even knew Sikhs existed. Thank God the Gurus wrote the Guru

Granth and not some body much latter on.

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

[raju123]

this is a person who has seen the light from guru ji.

i really would like to recite this by memory..

[Singhstah]

Vaheguroo

[crayzy]

just one thing....if shes an MD why cant she spell

O.o

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good article though

[Heera Singh]

dang.... i need to get in contact wit her... she has obviously studied Guru Jee... we can learn a lot from a person like her....

makes us really think... we sometimes take for granted what we have..

i alwayz seem to be amazed at how devoted and compassionate those coming INTO Sikhi are about Sikhi and our Guru.. we can learn a lot from souls like that..

wekked stuff...

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Sabre Sword]

i need to get in contact wit her

Just do what guru sahib commanded us to do, read recite and understand sri guru grant sahib which the majority of punjabi sikhs dont unfortunatley.

[Simran-Karo-Jee]

Vaheguru

Great to see a artical as this one, I read alot of post and none which have made me look to seiling withn amazment.

Respect

Ps. This is nothing if you speak to Gur-Mukhs they will tell you that It would take years just to fully understand one Line of Gur-Bani. Vaheguru Vaheguru

[Singh, Mahan]

I read this about 3 years ago. At the time when this article was written Janet Lant was seriously thinking of adopting Sikhi. (I do not know whether she did so or not ). So we can not say that the view expressed in this article is the view of a typical Christian. This is a view of someone who has studied Sikhism and is about to adopt Sikhi. In fact this piece was written by her as a response to the remarks made by two Christians, namely Chris Hammer and Jass Singh. (Jass Singh is a Punjabi Christian who SEEMS to be actively promoting Christianity to Punjabi Youth.). These two men were discouraging her and saying that hers may be an isolated example of having a bad experience of being a Christian. But after they received this reply they seemed to have become quiet about the matter for a while.