112 Grenades Found Near/inside Sri Harmandir Sahib

[singh_sandhu]

Maybe it was a warning to the kar sewa people from Guru Ji to stop their destruction and missuse of gold.

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Has it been prooved that the kar seva people were missusing gold? or is it just an assumption ? ? ?

[kurtas]

Maybe it was a warning to the kar sewa people from Guru Ji to stop their destruction and missuse of gold.

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Gurfateh!!

Veer Ji what is your problem with kar seva???

Do you want our history to crumble as we did nothing to protect historical Gurudwareh???

Are you even sure that in this instance, gold was being used????

Veer Ji, there are dedicated sangats out there who give their lives to restore our history and people like you do nothing but critice.

Bhul Chuk Maaf!!

Gurfateh!!

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Gurfateh,

No problem really when it is done properly but when kar sewa wale become ardent followers of tv shows like Changing Rooms and start doing rushed sewa without any regard for conservation then I have a problem. Rush jobs include shoddy use of white wash, using bathroom tiles to cover wall paintings and covering everything with cheap rajasthani white marble.

If you want to have a look at such sewa, next time you are at the Harimandir Sahib take a look at the Darshani Deori for an example of painting done by morons. I am no fan of white marble but the idiots who did the painting splashed his white wash all over the marble.

There is the well known example where old wall paintings were white washed and tiled over using bathroom tiles. If you think this is restoration and protection of our history then you are mistaken. It is nothing but unwarranted destruction of our history.

If you think these so called kar sewa wale are looking after our history you are mistaken. Go to Sirhind and see the Kar Sewa that was done on the Thanda Burj. There are similar examples throughout Punjab. Our history is being destroyed and eroded by the kar sewa wale.

If you can, please provide an example where kar sewa wale have followed methods to conserve our history instead of whitewashing and cladding it with white marble.

One of the only examples I know of proper restoration is at Guru Ki Maseet at Sri Hargobindpur which was restored using proper techniques in keeping with the methods used to construct it rather than the kar sewa method which would have meant slapping on a few coats of white wash. No kar sewa wale were involved. The Nihang who are custodians of Guru Ki Maseet worked with specialists and locals to conserve the Maseet.

[Mehtab Singh]

Relax people!

They said that probably these hand grenades were put there by Jujharoo Singhs before 1984, and so no one is blaming today's Sikhs at all...well, not yet...

[gupt_paapi]

Maybe it was a warning to the kar sewa people from Guru Ji to stop their destruction and missuse of gold.

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OOO MYY LORDDDDD

U DINT JUST START THis ARUGMENT IN THIS THREAD TOO?!?!

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[kurtas]

Maybe it was a warning to the kar sewa people from Guru Ji to stop their destruction and missuse of gold.

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OOO MYY LORDDDDD

U DINT JUST START THis ARUGMENT IN THIS THREAD TOO?!?!

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LOL Why not everyone else was coming up with conspiracy theories.

[gupt_paapi]

cz we ent bord

lol

ok ok if u relly want a theory.. here u go.....

GOI wanted 2 bomb harimandir sahib, but the sum sikh found them and called the police. ofcourse, the polcie so corupt, for 5 rupees each they would say "o yeh they were there since 84.."

but if u look closer to these grenades they will say "made in china 2005"

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm appy?

[ParwinderSingh]

apparently they were put there by pakistan.

well i know its not a good conspiracy theory but if u lot are makin em up, then i wana join in the fun too

[kurtas]

I bet that MS Bitta and his All India Anti Terror Front group make a big hoo haa about this. He will be after more security, perhaps he will get that z plus category security so he can look even more important than he is.

The police will have a good time with the grenades. Lets hope they make a better job at storing them than they did in the past. In 2004 a load of of explosives and ammo recovered in the 1980s/90s exploded because the idiots did not store it properly. (see story below)

The grenades should be useful, they must have run out of RDX and the AK47 they were planting on Singh in 2005 after Bhai Jagtar Singh Hawara was caught. So I guess they can harass more people and plant these grenades on them.

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Forensic experts examine blast site

Huge quantity of explosives stored in malkhana

Tribune News Service

Amritsar, February 20

While the Army and forensic experts were called to the site of the twin explosions in the judicial complex here, efforts are afoot to shift huge quantities of highly powerful explosives including PNET and RDX, and arms and ammunition to a safer place from the dilapidated pre-partition building of the ‘malkhana’.

Meanwhile, Dilbagh Singh, an Assistant Sub-Inspector, in charge, malkhana, has been placed under suspension and transferred to Police Lines. A case under Sections 337,338,427 of the IPC and 3/4/5 of the Explosive Act has been registered against him. The Deputy Commissioner has ordered a magisterial inquiry by the Additional Deputy Commissioner, Mr Kulwant Singh. an official press note asked the public to provide clues to the inquiry officer. The identity of the person would be kept secret, it said.

Highly placed sources said the explosives which were seized during the militancy and the Operation Blue Star were enough to blow up the entire city.

In a first step to make the inventory of detonators, explosives and ammunition, Mr Parmjit Singh Gill, DIG (Border Range) today held a meeting of senior police officials. He directed the officials to give him details of the arms and ammunition, kept in the malkhana’ as case properties, to dispose of the ‘explosive material’ of the decided cases under the supervision of bomb disposal squad of the Army and forensic experts.

Talking to TNS, Mr Gill said preliminary inquiry confirmed that the blast was result of burning of the waste material which led to detonation of PNET explosives.

According to sources a number of weapons, including rocket launchers, assault rifles, grenades and AK-47s had been stacked in hazardous manner. The explosives were also kept in the open outside the malkhana. Alcohol and other inflammable material, including crude oil, was dumped there.

It is reliably learnt that the authorities had been taking up the matter for shifting the malkhana to a safer place, but to no avail. The Bar Association, led by Mr R.S. Sandhu, and senior lawyers Mr Lakhbir Singh Sehmi and Mr Varinder Singh Bhatia urged the administration to shift the malkhana building immediately. No efforts have been made to auction the vehicles of the ‘decided cases’.

The site of the blast has been cordoned off.

[Nirvair S Khalsa]

Vaheguroo Jee Kaa Khalsa, Vaheguroo Jee Kee Phateh!!!

SOURCE: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4597982.stm

Grenades found at Golden Temple

The Golden Temple is the most revered Sikh shrine

At least 114 grenades have been found by the Golden Temple in the city of Amritsar in northern India, police say.

A Sikh pilgrim is said to have found the grenades and told police. Officials do not believe they presented a danger.

Police say the grenades are rusting and old and may have been left behind in 1984 when troops stormed the complex.

The controversial Operation Bluestar was launched by the army to flush out Sikh separatists militants hiding in the shrine, the holiest in Sikhism.

'Unusable'

An investigation has been launched after the grenades were found, reportedly in two sacks, but the authorities are playing down the significance of the discovery.

"This is not being viewed seriously because all the recovered grenades are old and unusable," Punjab Chief Minister Amarinder Singh told the BBC.

The storming of the Golden Temple was opposed by many Sikhs who saw it as a desecration of their shrine.

Later that year Prime Minister Indira Gandhi was to pay with her life when her Sikh bodyguards assassinated her.

That in turn triggered a wave of anti-Sikh rioting that left nearly 3,000 Sikhs dead.

Vaheguroo Jee Kaa Khalsa, Vaheguroo Jee Kee Phateh!!!

[Nirvair S Khalsa]

sab sarkar di chal hai.hun kitthe darbaar sahib vich grenade aaunge.......after some days they will say that it of of some sikh organisation like tat of babbar khalsa

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sab sarkar di chal hai.hun kitthe darbaar sahib vich grenade aaunge.......after some days they will say that it of of some sikh organisation like tat of babbar khalsa

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Ur right Paaji!!! gouvernment is doing all this and after they'll say its Babar Khalsa's fault!!!!!!!!

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Vaheguroo Jee Kaa Khalsa, Vaheguroo Jee Kee Phateh!!!

Yeh, it was SO obvious they HAD to just blame the Babbar Khalsa some how in one way or another!!!

Well, here's the news "we all been waiting for" anyway, some more defamation for Babbar Khalsa International (at least they refer to Sant Jee as "Sant Bhindranwale" instead of "Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale" - well I suppose):

114 grenades dug out from SGPC complex

Varinder Walia

Tribune News Service

The hand grenades recovered from the SGPC complex near the Golden Temple in Amritsar on Tuesday. — Tribune photo by Rajiv Sharma

Amritsar, January 10

In a chance recovery, as many as 114 live grenades and three boxes containing explosives were recovered while digging the foundations of the new administrative block in the SGPC complex, here today. The ammunition is believed to have been dumped by Babbar Khalsa International, before Operation Bluestar.

The building once housed the office of the then Shiromani Akali Dal president late Sant Harchand Singh Longowal who had close links with the Babbar Khalsa organisation.

However, Sant Longowal who had signed the ‘Punjab accord’ on July 24, 1985, with the then Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi , was later killed in the terrorist attack on August 20, 1985.

Interestingly, the foundation stone of the new administrative block was laid by the former SGPC chief, Bibi Jagir Kaur on November 7 last year. The building which was being used for ‘langar’ by Babas of Karsewawale was got vacated by the SGPC for constructing the administrative block.

The big consignment of grenades, which look like H.E. 36, could not be detected by the Army during Operation Bluestar in 1984 and Operation Black Thunder in 1988. After the Army action the SGPC complex remained under the control of the Army till September 1985. A big portion of the Darbar Sahib was handed over to the SGPC on September 29, a day before the ultimatum served on the Army by the Sikh clergy.

However, S.P. (City), Mr Koushtab Sharma, said the make of the grenade could not be ascertained since nothing was legible.

However, GC 5044/ 1943 is written on the grenades. He said the HE 36 grenades are manufactured in government’s Ordinance factory

Sources in the SGPC believe that Babbar activists who were experts in handling hand grenades and explosives had moved to this building when Sant Jarnail Singh Bhinderanwala had taken refuge in the Akal Takht building on November 16, 1983, about seven months before the Army operation. Sant Bhinderanwale and Babbar Khalsa were at loggerheads at that time.

The police has cordoned off the building and sniffer dogs were pressed into service. However, without waiting for the army’s bomb disposal squad, the police took away the grenades to Galliwara Chowki, near Harmander Sahib on the information provided by Baba Harbans Singh of Baba Jagtar Singh Karsewawale. The police has registered a case under section 4/5 of the Explosives Act .

The SGPC secretary, Mr Dalmegh Singh, said he could not say anything as to who the grenades belonged since the Darbar Sahib complex remained under Army control for a long time.

Some feel that the grenades might have been dumped when the complex was under the control of Damdami Taksal following the first Sarbat Khalsa, held here on January 26, 1986. The Sarbat Khalsa had decided to demolish the Akal Takht building which was renovated at behest of the Central government.

Later, when the Barnala government was in power the police entered the SGPC complex on April 30, 1987. Activists of various Sikh organisations were in full control of the complex till it was cleared in Operation Black Thunder on May 9, 1988.

The construction of the new administrative block has been stopped and it would be restarted under the supervision of the police to avert any mishap.

Vaheguroo Jee Kaa Khalsa, Vaheguroo Jee Kee Phateh!!!