Gender Inequality In Sikhi

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

"and no there were greater gursikhs then bhair randhir singh ji, he himself told in his books ."

Do you have their names and in what books their names are present? I will try to see if their life stories are available for a read - something to inspire and perhaps better the self.

Thanks.

[singhbj singh]

It is foolish to argue on Gender Equality.

Those who want Equality should first demand it from their parents.

Give equal education & assets to your daughters.

Moreso check whether your role models shared inheritance with their sisters if not then

ਅਵਰ ਉਪਦੇਸੈ ਆਪਿ ਨ ਕਰੈ ॥

Avar Oupadhaesai Aap N Karai ||

अवर उपदेसै आपि न करै ॥

One who does not practice what he preaches to others,

5 ਗਉੜੀ ਸੁਖਮਨੀ (ਮ: ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੨੬੯ ਪੰ. ੮

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ਆਵਤ ਜਾਵਤ ਜਨਮੈ ਮਰੈ ॥

Aavath Jaavath Janamai Marai ||

आवत जावत जनमै मरै ॥

Shall come and go in reincarnation, through birth and death.

6 ਗਉੜੀ ਸੁਖਮਨੀ (ਮ: ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੨੬੯ ਪੰ. ੮

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Lastly can a woman go topless in the open & take a dip in Sarovar.

JOKERS :-)

[jkvlondon]

It is foolish to argue on Gender Equality.

Those who want Equality should first demand it from their parents.

Give equal education & assets to your daughters.

Moreso check whether your role models shared inheritance with their sisters if not then

ਅਵਰ ਉਪਦੇਸੈ ਆਪਿ ਨ ਕਰੈ ॥

Avar Oupadhaesai Aap N Karai ||

अवर उपदेसै आपि न करै ॥

One who does not practice what he preaches to others,

5 ਗਉੜੀ ਸੁਖਮਨੀ (ਮ: ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੨੬੯ ਪੰ. ੮

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ਆਵਤ ਜਾਵਤ ਜਨਮੈ ਮਰੈ ॥

Aavath Jaavath Janamai Marai ||

आवत जावत जनमै मरै ॥

Shall come and go in reincarnation, through birth and death.

6 ਗਉੜੀ ਸੁਖਮਨੀ (ਮ: ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੨੬੯ ਪੰ. ੮

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Lastly can a woman go topless in the open & take a dip in Sarovar.

JOKERS :-)

Firstly give your daughter BETTER education and SIKHI than her brothers ...since she will be the caretaker of future Singh and Singhnian if you want the panth to flourish. Look at Guru's wives and daughters because of them our panth is beautiful inside and out. Guru Amar Das ji was inspired by the Sikhi of a woman , On the wish of another mahaan female SIkhi has the suneayri shahadat in Guru Ram Das ji's household.

You last point is crass , but ultimately if all were jiwan mukht then she could ...but unfortunately the dirty minds and eyes of kalyugi lok are predominant, remember Mata Sita's time women's fashion was bare-chested although revisionist history may claim otherwise .

[singhbj singh]

You last point is crass , but ultimately if all were jiwan mukht then she could ...but unfortunately the dirty minds and eyes of kalyugi lok are predominant, remember Mata Sita's time women's fashion was bare-chested although revisionist history may claim otherwise .

It is but still a valid point.

I don't know what kind of equality are we talking about

Physical

Social

Economical

Legal

Religious

and lastly Spiritual.

As per Gurbani -

ਮੇਰੈ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਸਾਚੈ ਇਕੁ ਖੇਲੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥

Maerai Prabh Saachai Eik Khael Rachaaeiaa ||

मेरै प्रभि साचै इकु खेलु रचाइआ ॥

My True Lord God has staged a play.

2 ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੫੬ ਪੰ. ੧੦

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ਕੋਇ ਨ ਕਿਸ ਹੀ ਜੇਹਾ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥

Koe N Kis Hee Jaehaa Oupaaeiaa ||

कोइ न किस ही जेहा उपाइआ ॥

He has created no one like anyone else.

3 ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੫੬ ਪੰ. ੧੧

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ਆਪੇ ਫਰਕੁ ਕਰੇ ਵੇਖਿ ਵਿਗਸੈ ਸਭਿ ਰਸ ਦੇਹੀ ਮਾਹਾ ਹੇ ॥੧॥

Aapae Farak Karae Vaekh Vigasai Sabh Ras Dhaehee Maahaa Hae ||1||

आपे फरकु करे वेखि विगसै सभि रस देही माहा हे ॥१॥

He made them different, and he gazes upon them with pleasure; he placed all the flavors in the body. ||1||

4 ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੫੬ ਪੰ. ੧੧

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Source - http://searchgurbani.com/scriptures/ggs_shabad/3770/line/3

[jkvlondon]

It is but still a valid point.

I don't know what kind of equality are we talking about

Physical

Social

Economical

Legal

Religious

and lastly Spiritual.

As per Gurbani -

ਮੇਰੈ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਸਾਚੈ ਇਕੁ ਖੇਲੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥

Maerai Prabh Saachai Eik Khael Rachaaeiaa ||

मेरै प्रभि साचै इकु खेलु रचाइआ ॥

My True Lord God has staged a play.

2 ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੫੬ ਪੰ. ੧੦

Raag Maaroo Guru Amar Das Page:1056 Line: 10

ਕੋਇ ਨ ਕਿਸ ਹੀ ਜੇਹਾ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥

Koe N Kis Hee Jaehaa Oupaaeiaa ||

कोइ न किस ही जेहा उपाइआ ॥

He has created no one like anyone else.

3 ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੫੬ ਪੰ. ੧੧

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ਆਪੇ ਫਰਕੁ ਕਰੇ ਵੇਖਿ ਵਿਗਸੈ ਸਭਿ ਰਸ ਦੇਹੀ ਮਾਹਾ ਹੇ ॥੧॥

Aapae Farak Karae Vaekh Vigasai Sabh Ras Dhaehee Maahaa Hae ||1||

आपे फरकु करे वेखि विगसै सभि रस देही माहा हे ॥१॥

He made them different, and he gazes upon them with pleasure; he placed all the flavors in the body. ||1||

4 ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੫੬ ਪੰ. ੧੧

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Source - http://searchgurbani.com/scriptures/ggs_shabad/3770/line/3

you are tallking about gender equality in SIkhi , so it is in all spheres which lead to attainment on the path ...so yes we cannot become barriers to the mental, social, spiritual aspirations of our sisters daughters and mothers and also we cannot stop them from training their physical selves to defend as Khalsa should or prevent them having physical freedom to come and go as the menfolk do otherwise what is the difference between them and the womenfolk of other faiths ?

Guru Nanak Dev ji freed them from the centuries old chains of oppression and slavery to male egos ... we are all Akal Purakh's aspiring brides no one is male so as a Sikh we should keep the truth in mind not just the appearence of the Deh/Maya.

[singhbj singh]

Bhein ji,

I agree but let us do a Reality Check.

How many of the Sikh/Punjabi females get to live their own life.

Whether it's education, freedom to choose a career & life partner.

Is it right to live in denial ?

[jkvlondon]

Bhein ji,

I agree but let us do a Reality Check.

How many of the Sikh/Punjabi females get to live their own life.

Whether it's education, freedom to choose a career & life partner.

Is it right to live in denial ?

well that's what we are here to do change the world for the better, not sit and gripe ...I'm equipping both my sons and daughter with right attitude to life and when I can I try to help change people's mind around me and not just our dharam ... what if we made it our duty to change our family's attitudes wouldn't that go a long way to changing loads of lives and they would pass on the message?

it's either Sikh or Punjabi not both you can't have two masters....

[singhbj singh]

Bhein ji,

You are right about bringing the Change.

But majority of Sikhs & Punjabis still have an Arranged Marriage irrespective of Nationality.

Which usually means Joint family household where daughter-in-laws have very little say.

[jkvlondon]

Bhein ji,

You are right about bringing the Change.

But majority of Sikhs & Punjabis still have an Arranged Marriage irrespective of Nationality.

Which usually means Joint family household where daughter-in-laws have very little say.

just because you respect the old ways by being married a certain way ..it doesn't mean you can't teach your own children better Sikh thoughts/behaviour, to encourage the children in keeping their kesh, in keeping their inborn compassion intact ...to respect females the sikh way..