Ardas?help!

[Guest dumb singh]

GurFATEH!

i need some help. i can do ardas, but up to the part you got to say your own stuff. my punjabi kinda suks, i do it in english at moment.

can some one put in a post writing how to speak it in english,

i wanted to say the following things:

forgiveness for any bani said wrong, and for improvement for future,

wake whole khalsa panth at amrit vela

bring khalsa panth stronger

grant us with 8 peher simran swass swass

grant us with seva, and make us better gursikhs.

would be very much appreciated if someone could do this seva of putting this so i can actually speak to mahraaj.

[japmans]

veeeerjiii!

if you're comfortable doig it in english, KEEP GONIG! God and Guruji, i'm prettttty sure, are multilingual hehe.

The language of god is your Love. Your sharda and your love transcends all linguistic barriers, and that's what Guruji understands! Don't worry about english, french, punjabi... heck, if you were doing it in swahili, guruji would get you!

That being said, this is similar to what i would say if you asked me, but Keep in mind, my punjaabis pretty bad too.

Hay nimaania day maan satguru, nitaaniya kay taan satguru, ni ottiyaa day ot satguru, niaasriaan day assray satguru, aap ji day hazoor vich ______ (name of bani/paath) dey paath hoey han satguru ji.

Satguru Maharaj, assee khin khin bhullanhaar hun, baksh lehna satguruji. Baani pardiya, anaykaa bhullan hon geyaan (wow that's tough to spell out in english ), anjaan bachay samaj kay baksh lehna satguru ji. Aggay to shudh baani pardan dee samratha bakshni ji.

Naam di daat bakshni satguru maharaj, gursikhi jeeven de daat bakshni satguruji. Khalsay Panth nu chardhian kalaan vhich rakhna satguru maharaj, Khalsay Panth nu amrit vela jaag di daat bakshni.

Kirpa Karo satguru mahaaraaj, tuhadday gursikha no baksh lao, sannu seva karaao.

Aap bakshanhaar ho sachay paatshaah, akhar vaada ghaata bhul chuk maaf karni, sarbat day kaaraj raas karni,

saeyeee gurmukh piyaaray mael, jinnaa miliyaa tera naam chit aavay

NANAK NAAAAM CHARDHI KALAAAAAAA

TERAY BHAANAY SARBAT DA BHALAAAAAAA

VAAAAAAAAAAHEGURUJIKAKHLASAVAHEGURUJIKIFATEH!

[novtejsinghkhalsa]

also

Amrit vele de simran baksho

Naam dee rass bakshnee

Puratan Gursikha de rehnee behnee jeevan baksho

Pahunchay gursikha dee sangat baksho

Sarbat de karaj raas karnee, seyee piarey meil jina milia tera naam chit aavai

Nanak naam chardee kala tere bnaey sarbat da bhalla.

[Guest dumb singh]

thank you ji

[Pheena]

True prayer is expressed in Silence, but one may certainly begin with words to reach that state. When you have nothing left to say, when you prayer alone is expressing Gratitude, when words no longer are necessary rather your Silence begins to speak in a manner in which words fail to express. Such is the zenith of Prayer.

[heart]

Vaheguru

[chandanjit kaur]

True prayer is expressed in Silence, but one may certainly begin with words to reach that state. When you have nothing left to say, when you prayer alone is expressing Gratitude, when words no longer are necessary rather your Silence begins to speak in a manner in which words fail to express. Such is the zenith of Prayer.

WJKK WJKF

that was very beautifully said ji

WJKK WJKF

[japmans]

True prayer is expressed in Silence, but one may certainly begin with words to reach that state. When you have nothing left to say, when you prayer alone is expressing Gratitude, when words no longer are necessary rather your Silence begins to speak in a manner in which words fail to express. Such is the zenith of Prayer.

wait... a lil confused... what do you mean by Silence... do you mean saying it to yourself inside, cuz technically even that isn't silence, right? Our thoughts are busy, tik kay nei bainday... so, when is there EVER silence? we can say the holiest of people have that pure silence, so then that would suggest no ardaas is pure unless you're "paunchiya hoya"... but then how do you reach this stage? you can't do it yourself, you need God's help.... which would require a request... which comes back to ardaas...

so then... can the average Joe ever reach that inner peace and silence that allows such a "true" prayer to be made?

[Pheena]

True prayer is expressed in Silence, but one may certainly begin with words to reach that state. When you have nothing left to say, when you prayer alone is expressing Gratitude, when words no longer are necessary rather your Silence begins to speak in a manner in which words fail to express. Such is the zenith of Prayer.

wait... a lil confused... what do you mean by Silence... do you mean saying it to yourself inside, cuz technically even that isn't silence, right? Our thoughts are busy, tik kay nei bainday... so, when is there EVER silence? we can say the holiest of people have that pure silence, so then that would suggest no ardaas is pure unless you're "paunchiya hoya"... but then how do you reach this stage? you can't do it yourself, you need God's help.... which would require a request... which comes back to ardaas...

so then... can the average Joe ever reach that inner peace and silence that allows such a "true" prayer to be made?

Saying it inside is a step closer to silence and yes you are right even then you are using words. Notice i did say that one may use words or one can begin with words. But words themselves are limited in fully expressing extreme emotions.

Now don't take this as the only way to pray, i am not saying Prayer in words carry no significance....nor am I trying to make this a black and white thing......your expression of whatever you wish to express whether it be through Words or Silence is a form of Prayer given that your mind comes along with the prayer.

[disclaimer]

Just to clarify a little bit, nor am I belitteling or trying to sway anyone away from the Maryada of Ardaas. Certianly it is an expression of great significance.

[/disclaimer]

But are words the only way to express how one feels or needs to the Divine Mother who herself is Antarjami? If she is Anterjami does she not know what I need and what I don't need?

what words will you use to express you Love, Gratitude, Vismaad? To be in a state of utter Gratitude, which is one of the expression of a prayer, what words will you use to express this Gratitude if not silence? Surely one may say a thousand words upon words upon words but in the end one will ultimatly will have said nothing at all in comparison to the amount of gifts she has bestowed which brought upon this expression of Gratitude, this prayer. But I too would be wrong to say that those words used to express Gratitude would carry no weight. They most certainly are relevent but an expression of helplessness is there in expressing what cannot be expressed fully through the mind/words.

Why can't it be reached my beautiful veer ji, surely it is not inconcievable, nor is it only for 'Paunchiay hoya' individuals? I don't think i need to express the obviuos here my veer as you are more learned than I am...but She listens to you Just as attentively as she listens to a Saint. Next time you pray, begin by expressing Gratitude and when this feeling of Gratitude overwhelms you then tell me what words you used to express that Graitude? If all you were left with was Shukar Hai, Shukar Hai, Waheguru, Waheguru, Dhan Guru Nanak, Dhan Guru Nanak, then such words are but an expression of your unexpressable Gratitude. Every 'Shukar Hai' would bring upon a zolt of ananda...then slowly even these words will become silent...because the mind would become silent.

Notice i did not relate Prayer with Complaints or using prayer to complain to God, using such intentions for prayer it is obviuos words will be used. I have been taught that the true purpose of Prayer was to express Gratitude for what he has given. It is also true that I have made my share of complaints, but in the end i have always been left with silence (lack of words).

[japmans]

man... i love you... i gots nothin else to say....