Bollywood Picking On A Sikh Theme, Again!

[kurtas]

Too right you hear about the Dogra bahmans and the sappers from UP and Bihar as we keep hearing how the Sikhs sided with the East India Company during the mutiny (note I say mutiny and not War of Independence as it was nothing of the sort unless you are into reinventing history). The Dogra clan claim to be top notch bahmans so I will hold them to that. The maratha Holkar of Indore had ample chances to form an alliance with Shere e Panjab but the dirty scoundral was holding secret parleys to negotiate his virtual surrender with the British.

The Patiala Rajas claim to be descended form the Bhatti clan of Jaisalmer so I guess that argument does not hold much weight.

Diwan Mokham Chand (not Mokhan...another spelling merry go round coming up) is respected by Sikhs, the dogra bahmans, the bahman Teja Singh etc are not respected.

[Akali_Sodhi]

if u called maharaaj jim, would it make any difference to his glory....

[Duchess]

ONLY the Sikhs did something in history - the Hindus did NOTHING - which is a falsehood we have talked a bit about this

yeah they did

they used 2 humiliate lower castes

they used 2 call themselves superiors

they used 2 do yugs/havans to earn more money from illitrate yujmaans.

what used 2 be the behavior of bAhmans when their daughters/wives used 2 come back home after they were kidnapped by mugals or afghans ???

ive heard lord rama kicked his wife sita out coz of a dhobi.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

A cartoonist came on tv in india once. They asked him who his fav. cartoon was. He said don't ask me as some people might offended. When they kept asking him, he said ...................................Ganesh. Forget about other things. Your whole belief system is a joke. Bhim threw the elephans into air and are still flying. E.g. What was krishan?? Where was his moral character??? Wat did raam do??? Didn't he do havans and yugs where he burned animals alive???? Didn't you guys use to have balis of people and used to eat them??? Wasn't this practice stopped by Aurangzeb. You are using govind because krishan is also called govind. As for Vishnu and Inder. Weren't they cousins and they screwed Prehlaad??? What is 5 guvveyaa? Why does everyone except brahmans have to drink it???? How about pittar poojaa??? Have you guys ever worked hard??? Why did raam kill the innocent shuddar who was meditating on God??? Just because he was low caste??? What about raam him a footprint on his belly becuase he got kicked by a brahman.

I think you should read your scriptures again and see how much bull they contain. You guys included Budd into one of your 24 avtars. Included Mahavir too. Both of them had nothing to do with brahmanism. Both of them opposed u guys. However, because they were great guys. You guys included them into ur 24 avtars of vishnu. Only reason why marathas were able to get something one was:

1. They gave their daughters to mughals and accepted them as dilishvaro vah eshvaro va

2. All of mughal empire and buddies were fighting the Khalsa.

They were fighting us because of your hill rajas. They were the ones who brought the mugals to fight us. It is due to you guys we lost our raaj. It is due to you guys that our dharam has been filled up with bipran kee reets. It is due to you guys, 84+ happened. You guys are the ones who also filled Jahagir's ears. If your marathas were so good, then why din you guys take ur complaints to them???? Why came running to Guru and Guru Ka Khalsa???

[palamrinder]

Dear sacred bhaman. Can you provide me with the names(spelling errors doesnt matter) of 33 crore devi devte to start finding TRUTH about them? And then if you got some time, please enlighten us about the significance of dividing ppl in 4 different castes and treating lower castes worse than animals? Do you brahims loose their spirituality if even a shadow of shudra falls on them?

As for mentioning shri ganesh without shri, being a non issue for you depicts your lack of respect for your deity.

[Khalsa_Girl_1]

ONLY the Sikhs did something in history - the Hindus did NOTHING - which is a falsehood we have talked a bit about this

yeah they did

they used 2 humiliate lower castes

they used 2 call themselves superiors

they used 2 do yugs/havans to earn more money from illitrate yujmaans.

what used 2 be the behavior of bAhmans when their daughters/wives used 2 come back home after they were kidnapped by mugals or afghans ???

ive heard lord rama kicked his wife sita out coz of a dhobi .

whats a dhobi?

[Guest peacemaker]

ONLY the Sikhs did something in history - the Hindus did NOTHING - which is a falsehood we have talked a bit about this

yeah they did

they used 2 humiliate lower castes

they used 2 call themselves superiors

they used 2 do yugs/havans to earn more money from illitrate yujmaans.

what used 2 be the behavior of bAhmans when their daughters/wives used 2 come back home after they were kidnapped by mugals or afghans ???

ive heard lord rama kicked his wife sita out coz of a dhobi .

whats a dhobi?

a washerman

[Khalsa_Girl_1]

ONLY the Sikhs did something in history - the Hindus did NOTHING - which is a falsehood we have talked a bit about this

yeah they did

they used 2 humiliate lower castes

they used 2 call themselves superiors

they used 2 do yugs/havans to earn more money from illitrate yujmaans.

what used 2 be the behavior of bAhmans when their daughters/wives used 2 come back home after they were kidnapped by mugals or afghans ???

ive heard lord rama kicked his wife sita out coz of a dhobi .

whats a dhobi?

a washerman

OOOHHH

makes sense now

[scaredbahman]

Too right you hear about the Dogra bahmans and the sappers from UP and Bihar as we keep hearing how the Sikhs sided with the East India Company during the mutiny (note I say mutiny and not War of Independence as it was nothing of the sort unless you are into reinventing history). The Dogra clan claim to be top notch bahmans so I will hold them to that. The maratha Holkar of Indore had ample chances to form an alliance with Shere e Panjab but the dirty scoundral was holding secret parleys to negotiate his virtual surrender with the British.

The Patiala Rajas claim to be descended form the Bhatti clan of Jaisalmer so I guess that argument does not hold much weight.

Diwan Mokham Chand (not Mokhan...another spelling merry go round coming up) is respected by Sikhs, the dogra bahmans, the bahman Teja Singh etc are not respected.

The Dogras were and till today claim Rajput status - Brahmin clans will not generally apply the name 'Singh' to their names

Jaswant Rao Holkar after defeating Col Monson tried to attack Delhi . After being replulsed her retreared towards Punjab - there most historians agree that he met and tried to convince Ranjit Singh to fight the British. Ranjit Singh refused (probably a prudent decision at that time?).

You have not answered the question of the Patiala and other Malwa Sikh chiefs - the fact that they claim descent from Bhatti Rajputs is totally irelevant - they were Sikhs at that time a new and seperate religion

Teja Singh was a Sikh. Many other Brahmins became Sikh but lo and behold when one goes bad he becaome a 'evil bahman' again - how convenient

ONLY the Sikhs did something in history - the Hindus did NOTHING - which is a falsehood we have talked a bit about this

yeah they did

they used 2 humiliate lower castes

they used 2 call themselves superiors

they used 2 do yugs/havans to earn more money from illitrate yujmaans.

what used 2 be the behavior of bAhmans when their daughters/wives used 2 come back home after they were kidnapped by mugals or afghans ???

ive heard lord rama kicked his wife sita out coz of a dhobi.

hi Duchess,

nice to see the level of debate improving

the caste systmen is prevelant all acrorss India cutting through religius barriers - look at rural Punjab today- these divisions did not come up overnight

it changed and evolved through the millenia from a fluid system to a rigid one. for example Stacey in his 'martial races of India' talks about the UP Bhumihar Brahmins in the lates 1700's recruited into the British army as accepting virtualy anyone who began to adopt their mannerisms and senisbibilties into their ranks after a suitbale period whilst fifty odd years later their caste rigidity massively increased'

Hinduism itself does not promote such divisions and recognises the soul as having no caste, class etc - it is anoither matter that people have chosen to exert their domination over others. Is the Sikh religion responsible for caste domination in Punjabs villages which are about 80% Sikh ?

The rest of your points are puerile

Women kidnapped by the Afghans Mughals etc were not returned to their families. If you bother to read more than the Kuldip Manak and Jazzy B version of history you will realise that some parts of INdian hisotry rank amongst the most bloodthirsty periods in human history - people were not sitting around singing bhajans whilst their near and dear ones were being murdered and killed

Lal in 'the growth of scehuled castes in India' also lays the lomng period of outside attack casuing the internalisiton and rigidity of Indian castes as a protective mechanism

[sikh_assasin]

WHY DONT BAHMAN GO TO HIS OWN FORUMS AS INDIA DOES NOT RECONISE SIKHS SO WHY SHOULD HE EVEN BE ALLOWED IN THIS ROOM

INDIA OUT OF KHALISTAN !