To N30 Singh

[Guest Akaal108]

vaheguroojikakhalsavaheguroojikifateh,

Bikramjit singh.. i m goin to work now... i ll answers your questions in details when i come back from work... which would be 12.30 am your time..

And warrior princess.. i dont feel its important to response to you... if you feel so strongly about charan amrit... contact SGPC who consider udhasi (who perform charan amrit) as sikhs....i gave you my view according to what i read what sgpc thinks of them and spoke with my elders who have udhasi freinds back in india.

akaaaaaaaaal hee akaaaaaaaal

anand hii anand

Also i got a little love letter from one of the moderator (sikhsangat)-

saying you have created enuf ruckness in sikhsangat site and shut it man...

Just want to let the team know if you are fed up with me.. then please ban me...that be huge help for me and yourself... i m just puttin my views on which is tolerance and acceptance between snatan sikh and mainstream sikhi.. if people dont agree with it.. there is a clash in form of arguments.. then what can i do???

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Also i got a little love letter from one of the moderator (sikhsangat)-

saying you have created enuf ruckness in sikhsangat site and shut it man...

I think we're here to debate and learn out of it..

personally see that not very nice

I mean c'mon he's just putting his view.. ..I mean i don't agree with some of thr things..

but...He should have the right of saying his opinion!

if people dont agree with it..

they are free to give their opinion..

there is a clash in form of arguments.. then what can i do???

Give ur opinion

i think that was a bit mean..Mods u may delete my post..but thats my opinion..even tho i dont agree with everythin N3O has aid i still defend his right of saying it!

I pe

rsoanlly see nothing wrong in this debate as long as it doesn't turn into a post were they begin to make personal attacks and stuff..

its a healthy discussion isn't it?

Bhula CHUkk Maaf!

P.S

HUMBLE REQUEST FROM ADMIN: Gurmukh Sikho Sevako !!! We know that Gurbani has words in it that seem like swear words: "haraam khor;" "haraamee;" "paapee;" "kookar;" "kookrae sookrae;" "dhrig;" "paakhandee;" "moorakh;" "thug;" "ammali;" "baeemaan;" "baemukh;" and many others. These words are used to emphasise the truth about somebody.

We are not discouraging you from speaking the truth. We will never discourage you - even if you are forced to call somebody something if it represents the absolute truth. But us Kaljugee Jeev - Life forms of the dark age.. are khin khin bhoolanhaar - over and over mistaken and stumbling to do what's right. We should not take this matter into our own hands. If it is your deep concern to assert the truth about somebody's character - use a Gurbani quote.

Do not use curse words, and definately do not slander. What is slandering? Slandering is exaggeration of qualities. Exaggeration of good or bad qualities is slandering, otherwise known as Nindaa in Gurbani. Nindaa is the a horrible plague, please stay away from it. Our mind has the ability to make filth - but it will just land back on us so why take that risk?! The bee stings when it feels in danger - but then it dies away. The skunk sprays when it feels in danger - but leaves smelling bad itself. What use is spreading filth if it makes us filthy too? Apay beej Apay hee Khaau !!

So once again we humbly request - re

frain from nindaa and cursing. If you need to assert somebody is going against common human decency and is doing something unjust, please use Gurbani to describe them.

The truth is sweet but sharp as well. Khannioh thikhi vaaloh nikki aeth maarag jaanaa. We must become sweet and solid Khalsas like the amrit we drank and the khanda it was made from - that's when we will be able to lead the panth. Panthic ektha is priority number one!

Sorry pelase forgive me ..I am extremly.....sorry.

also..thank you for telling me ..I shall try to improve

//BHULLA CHUKK MAAF

[>Bikramjit Singh<]

vaheguroojikakhalsavaheguroojikifateh,

And warrior princess.. i dont feel its important to response to you... if you feel so strongly about charan amrit... contact SGPC who consider udhasi (who perform charan amrit) as sikhs....i gave you my view according to what i read what sgpc thinks of them and spoke with my elders who have udhasi freinds back in india.

akaaaaaaaaal hee akaaaaaaaal

anand hii anand

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

N30 Singh

I don't think that anyone's opinion is such that it is not important enough to respond to. You have been going on about Charan Amrit but you seem to be unaware that Charan Amrit by the Gurus ceased after 1699. Khanday Di Pahul replaced it. If some people such as the Udasis chose to continue it then that is their business but they cannot then claim to an integral part of the Panth. Apart from the Udasis none of the other sampardhayas have continued with Charan Amrit. If you do not want to acknowledge the fact that Guru Gobind Singh replaced Charan Amrit in 1699 then that is between you and Waheguru. But your argument would make sense if after 1699 Guru Gobind Singh still brought people into Sikhi by Charan Amrit. But there is no case of Charan Amrit performed by Guru Gobind Singh between 1699-1708.

The SGPC and

the Gurdwara act as well as the Rehat maryada clearly state who a Sikh is and the udasis do not qualify. If for political expediency some SGPC president says that Udasis are Sikhs then he is just showing his willingness to dilute his Sikhi for his own political ends.

Btw can you post a link, a posting, an email or even a PM where the self proclaimed Jathedars of sanatan Sikhi such as Lallesvari, Narsingha etc have acknowledged that the Damdami Taksal is one of the Sampardhaya with a lineage to Guru Gobind Singh. I think your silence has been brought by the Nangs by their accepting Damdami Taksal as one of 5 Sampardhyas.

This is not to say that I do not believe that the Damdami Taksal has a lineage going back to Guru Gobind Singh but the Nangs have only ever treated 4 sampardhyas as having a lineage so it would interesting to see them admit that they had been wrong all along

GurFateh

Bikramjit

[serenity]

bikramjit what do you define a nang to be?

[GABROO KHALISTAN DAH]

why am i banned from sikhawarness, i wuz also juss putting up my views?

cause ppl like truth nang can't stand the truth

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why am i banned from sikhawarness, i wuz also juss putting up my views?

cause ppl like truth nang can't stand the truth

Bhaji I have no clue as to why (if) u were banned..

Not an idea..

i think this happened bofe i became mod

thus i cannot reply :T:

U'll have to ask some othre mod as to why u were banned

[Guest Akaal108]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

I agree, let's not have name calling. It suits some people's agenda to turn this into another name calling thread and then get the discussion stopped.

N30 Singh you also need to answer the questions that have been put to you by GKD and Khalsa Souljah. When did GKD abuse Shiva and when did Khalsa Souljah refer to Ragmaala as pornography ?. Unless you can answer these questions then it is pretty hypocritical of you telling others not to slander anyone since you seem to have indulged in slandering the most !.

Anyway it seems even more hypocritical that you post about tolerance between Jathas but you do not have a view on someone who has referred to AKJ and Singh Sabha as bast*rds!. Or does your tolerance not extend to AKJ or Singh Sabha ?. If someone has a reasonable argument against Singh Sabha or AKJ that's fine and I'll listen but when someone abuses them on a Muslim site and declares a majority of Sikhs as Bast*rds then he needs to be unmasked. You have given that person free rein to say and do what he likes on Sikhawareness. He even went so far as to call for the SGPC to be murdered !, but you still didn't stop him. I'm getting the feeling that Lallesvari runs Sikhawareness and not you or the admin. I understand that for you as long as he doesn't abuse the Taksal then that's fine but then what

about all that self righteous stuff about tolerance between Jathas ?

I think you are threading a very slippery slope. I wouldn't say that you are being brainwashed by the Nangs because for a person to be brainwashed he needs a very low IQ. I don't for one moment think that about you. But you are certainly coming around to the Nang view of Sikhi.

GurFateh

Before N30 puts up new questions HE must answer the questions which Bikramjeet Singh has listed in this post.

vaheguroojikakhalsavaheguroojikifateh,

N30 Singh you also need to answer the questions that have been put to you by GKD and Khalsa Souljah. When did GKD abuse Shiva and when did Khalsa Souljah refer to Ragmaala as pornography ?. Unless you can answer these questions then it is pretty hypocritical of you telling others not to slander anyone since you seem to have indulged in slandering the most !.

Gkd has dissed nihangs in general..claiming that they worship shiv ling...thats an insult to nihangs and shiv ji maharaj. Their devotion to shiv ji is all from dasam guroo durbar if you accept that as bani. You know i m very picky when people start picking on gods, demi-gods etc because they indirectly dissing devi avtars, nit avtars made by vaheguroo itself. Gkd posted that on anti-sikh sites.. you can have a look at yourself... i cant find it on sikhsangat ..might be for approval or deleted all together

Khalsa soulja on other hand.. he claimed ragmalla as pornography on Modern Ram raie thread which is on sikhawareness.com..unfortunately sikhawarnees is down for maintaince.. i ll give you the direct url when the site is back up... on that threa

d soon he saw people are after him that he called ragmalla pornography.. he made reverse gear and make an another post clarifying his claims.. now this is goin to sound harsh.. i cant take guroo maharaj's besti by someone stupid like khalsa soulja...he should join his kala afghna brothers... he goes to forgein sites like beleifnet.com and claims keski as kakar.. all these poor white people try to learn about sikhism and ended up gettin confused by reading kesh as kakar on sikh sites and learning so called new vidya from khalsa soulja...

http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/message_li...ussionID=275543 .. That site gets lot of hits... atleast someone who can represent sikhism in right manner should go there.

Anyway it seems even more hypocritical that you post about tolerance between Jathas but you do not have a view on someone who has referred to AKJ and Singh Sabha as bast*rds!. Or does your tolerance not extend to AKJ or Singh Sabha ?. If someone has a reasonable argument against Singh Sabha or AKJ that's fine and I'll listen but when someone abuses them on a Muslim site and declares a majority of Sikhs as Bast*rds then he needs to be unmasked. You have given that person free rein to say and do what he likes on Sikhawareness. He even went so far as to call for the SGPC to be murdered !, but you still didn't stop him. I'm getting the feeling that Lallesvari runs Sikhawareness and not you or the admin. I understand that for you as long as he doesn't abuse the Taksal then that's fine but then what about all that self righteous stuff about tolerance between Jathas ?

Ok lalleshvari did got a warning from myself pers

onally through pm yesterday.. after consulting with truthsingh, sarbloh kaur , mr singh... now obviously you goin to ask if he gotta warning only how come i got straight banned for 2 weeks??? I dont need to remind you again and again why you got banned for 2 weeks??? If you want me to remind you.. i ll.... I dont beleive in doing character assissination in public...just because he said something on shia forum that does not mean he violated any rules on sikhawareness.com forum..though we did give him warning.. So far we know after you got banned.. he doesnt slander akj or sgpc.. nor we let him on our site... yesterday i advised mr singh to edit any of slandering post before giving him warning (to control his anger)...

Moderator's position could be really stressful at times.. hard to decide... banning inderjit without warning from the sikhawareness was an mistake we admit...i personally appolized to him and advised him to also come back after 2 weeks with the cool mind and take part in fruitful discussion. I dont know if he will come back or not...we try to keep it netural at times...Narsingha havent seen him for long time... he didnt slander after you got banned... he is on the ban list... lalleshvari is on by the admin... khalsa soulja is....any more slandering activity from them will result in banning for 2 weeks to keep them cool. They are most welcome after they reform themselves.. and you are most welcome too but i guess you already made up your mind.. :e:

I think you are threading a very slippery slope. I wouldn't say that you are being brainwashed by the Nangs because for a person to be brainwashed he needs a very low IQ. I don't for one mom

ent think that about you. But you are certainly coming around to the Nang view of Sikhi.

Please dont assume things about me... you know nothing about me yet... neither you will .. not in this life atleast...duooro haath jooraie malko

[>Bikramjit Singh<]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

N30 Singh

You have still not provided any proof about what GKD or Khalsa Souljah said. Please do not try and take this discussion at a tangent. If GKD dissed Nihangs then show us where and don't ask us to go searching for the posts ourselves.

As for Lallesvari it is well known that you came to his way of thinking when Narsingha implied that Damdami Taksal is the 5th Sampardhya. Although he never actually admitted to this belief and when you asked him to update his site with the new info he basically told you 'up yours' but in a nice way !. Before this you were critical of him but after that you then started to defend him whenever he was cornered in any of the threads.

As I wrote to you before I have no issue with my being banned from sikhawareness, in fact I am proud that at least I can say that I was banned because I couldn't take the BS about Sikhi from a Gora shia wannabe trying to portray himself as a Nirmala.

GurFateh

Bikramjit

PS any chance of providing the link,email,pm from Lallesvari or any other Nangs which prove that they believe the Taksal to be the 5th Sampardhya ??

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I think he meantioned that

and You are well aware of the fact that Sikhawareness server is currently down..so i think it can be hard ot provide link

I'm outta here

[Guest Akaal108]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

N30 Singh

You have still not provided any proof about what GKD or Khalsa Souljah said. Please do not try and take this discussion at a tangent. If GKD dissed Nihangs then show us where and don't ask us to go searching for the posts ourselves.

As for Lallesvari it is well known that you came to his way of thinking when Narsingha implied that Damdami Taksal is the 5th Sampardhya. Although he never actually admitted to this belief and when you asked him to update his site with the new info he basically told you 'up yours' but in a nice way !. Before this you were critical of him but after that you then started to defend him whenever he was cornered in any of the threads.

As I wrote to you before I have no issue with my being banned from sikhawareness, in fact I am proud that at least I can say that I was banned because I couldn't take the BS about Sikhi from a Gora shia wannabe trying to portray himself as a Nirmala.

GurFateh

Bikramjit

PS any chance of providing the link,email,pm from Lallesvari or any other Nangs which prove that they believe the Taksal to be the 5th Sampardhya ??

You have still not provided any proof about what GKD or Khalsa Souljah said. Please do not try and take this discussion at a tangent. If GKD dissed Nihangs then show us where and don't ask us to go searching for the posts ourselves.

I m not asking you search for the posts.. i cant find that post.. post is called "anti sikh sites" the same post you show after you made this thread.. i cant find that post.. if admin of sikhsangat.com can help providing link to that post.. that be great... as far khalsa soulja.. please have sabar.. let the sikhawareness is up .. then i ll post the link...

As for Lallesvari it is well known that you came to his way of thinking when Narsingha implied that Damdami Taksal is the 5th Sampardhya. Although he never actually admitted to this belief and when you asked him to update his site with the new info he basically told you 'up yours' but in a nice way !. Before this you were critical of him but after that you then started to defend him whenever he was cornered in any of the threads

what thinkin?? that nirmale exist... thats a truth.. you cant deny that... as i posted my first post on this thread.... nirmalie in fact every jatha and sampardama out there has something to offer us sikhs (learners)... we shouldnt be hating on certain jatha and sampardhama.. but try to learn good things about them and filter bad stuff..

For example- I m goin to england next year.. there i ll meet ustad nihang niddar singh to get vidya of self-defence and how to (namskar) shastar's. I m not concern with what he beleif's .. i m concern with gettin self-defence vidiya which is good for a

ll the sikhs thats all.. which they can use it at times of hate crimes from racist people....

Also it was niddar singh nihang who admitted takshal as 5th sampardhama infront of inderjit.. he told me.... i have requested narsingha to update his sites.. he said he will.. not sure when... i dont care about what they think.. but i consider takshal as sampardhama since long time.. i dont need their admissions to change my beleif's.

PS any chance of providing the link,email,pm from Lallesvari or any other Nangs which prove that they believe the Taksal to be the 5th Sampardhya ??

i have requested narsingha to update his sites.. he said he will.. not sure when...

I m not here to represent them... as i said on my first thread.. i have my views... so stop linking me with nihangs or nirmalie, takshali etc.. as i m not even worthy of havin such titles and representing them...