Concept of Justice

[Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Recently, during a rather fruitful discussion with a Muslim, the subject of 'Justice' came up in the conversation. I wanted to outline some points discussed which proved Islam is not as clear cut as Muslims have us believe.

Me: If a child was infected with AIDS or cancer from birth, how is this justice by Allah when the child has not committed any sin? (Muslims believe each person's account opens at puberty (age 14ish) and before this he/she is not judged).

Muslim: Allah is ALL-Just so his justice is absolute. The child is carrying the sins of the parents.

Me: Why should a child carry the sins of his/her parent? Why aren't the parents punished?

Muslim: The parents will be punished in the hereafter, which is what counts. The sensations in this world are no comparison to the sensations in Jannat. The child who suffers 'patiently' will be from one of the ones in Paradise without question or judgement if he/she dies before puberty.

Me: This seems like a weird concept. What if the parents repent for their sins, will the child be miraculously not affected by the disease?

Muslim: That is not definate.

Me: What if the parents repent, and the child still endures suffering for 'their sins'?

Muslim: Then, the parents will get more than what they deserve in Hell. They will have to answer for their sins in the hereafter, the child will be from one of the ones of Paradise.

Me: Ok, let's take 2 situations. Child A who is infected with an incurable, suffering disease from birth and dies before pub

erty, and Child B who has no disease, but also dies before puberty. Do both of these children go to Paradise?

Muslim: Yes.

Me: Then where is the justice? If both are destined for Jannat, why does one need to suffer? Wouldn't it be easier for the parents to be judged, rather than a transfer of sins?

Muslim: Allah has placed nature in PERFECT BALANCE. Disruption of this balance causes suffering to those who intefere. Also, Allah is ALL-JUST therefore we do not question his justice.

Me: You once questioned me about reincarnation. I answered, and I didn't brush it off by saying the Gurbani says Vaheguru is ALL-JUST so we cannot question anything. What you are doing is taking the easy way out.

Muslim: You have to understand, this life is temporary, the eternal life is what counts.

Me: Try telling that to a mother who's child has AIDS and sees it suffering day in day out, and try consoling the child undergoing the suffering.

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I suddenly feel a lot better B)

Gurfateh

[>Bikramjit Singh<]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa

The semitic religions cannot explain scenarios such as the one you outlined. Only a belief in Karma and reincarnation can explain them.

The problem is that Muslims want an answer to every little question they can think up about Sikhi and other religions but when they get asked anything they cannot answer then their reply is 'allah knows best' !.

GurFateh

Bikramjit

[Gill]

very true

i have become a stronger sikh because things i learn about other religions.

i have not receive any answers from muslims about the following questions.

-how evolution proves them wrong

-the first people on earth where perfect muslims, but they

didn't pray five times a day

-how the first people had to marry they're brothers and

sisters

-they don't eat pork because pigs are dirty, pigs have

been proven to be one of the cleanist animals

-how does allah expect a poor person in the middle of

noway to become a muslim

if any sikh knows please answer.

[V]

Critical point Gill Bhaji

CAn u please provide referanence of pigs being one of the cleanest canimals

I seriously doubt it as they eat their own excrete... dont they ?

thank you

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Gill]

just ask any doc or science teacher, but muslims believe they are the only real dirty animal, i m not sure how clean a cow or a bird is. pigs are only clean compared to other animals

or check out: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/pigs/smart.html

[jagjit_waheguru]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Pyare jio, quite a few religions believe that humans started from an adam and eve concept. Science has already proved this is impossible. The genes of the children would clash, and it is not possible for everyone to come from one being, and where did they themselves come from. That also seems like the chikcken and egg scenario.

There was a generation of Egyptian rulers, sorry I have forgotten their names. To ensure absolute control, this generation, made a rule that their children can only inter-marry, i.e. son marries his sister or mother or daughter. This continued for 2 generations. By the time of the third generation, the children started to be born deformed. But still they continued the practice. Eventually the dynasty destroyed itself, as its children all were born deformed. It was due to some genetic clash.

Many religions, such as Christianity, Islam, Jehovah witness, who believe in this concept of everyone coming from adam and Eve. This is not possible. Genetically it would not have worked.

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[guruvah]

Many religions, such as Christianity, Islam, Jehovah witness, who believe in this concept of everyone coming from adam and Eve. This is not possible. Genetically it would not have worked.

i have been having this same thought with me for a longgggg timeee!!......

[novtejsinghkhalsa]

Thats true.

A prime example of this would be the royal family where royals only marry royals hence they marry with cousins, etc. You hear a lot about problems with children in the royal family having disorders etc. on the news. If the adam and eve theory was true then i guess that according to the genral trend in the quality of human beings (in terms of physique, health, etc,) through generations where couples are related would suggest that we as humans are in the worst state.

but that don't make sense @

hahahahaha

[theturbanator]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

i dont realy know about islam but jewish people [as my friends have told me] dont eat pork because its has a cleft hoof

[V]

just ask any doc or science teacher, but muslims believe they are the only real dirty animal, i m not sure how clean a cow or a bird is. pigs are only clean compared to other animals

or check out: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/pigs/smart.html

Thank you bhaji..

Please forgive my ignorance...