The Naamdhari's

[khalistan_zindabaad]

Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji and The Naamdhari's

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji and The Naamdhari's

One time, 108 Bhram Giani Mahpursh Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa and the entire Jatha where staying at Sachkhand Sri Hajoor Sahib. At the same time a large Naamdhari Jatha had reserved rooms at Gurdhwara Sahib not knowing that Mahpursh and Jatha where also staying there.

The Naamdhari's where given stage time, and did katha and many members of the jatha where taken back by the preechar done. During Ardaas, premi's who where doing Joryaan di Sevaa, ran away as they did not want to hear the blamsemphous ardaas of the Naamdhari's, who did not beleive in Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the jag-di-jot of Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji.

The premi's quickly ran over and sat with Mahpursh. No one dared to say a word to mahpursh Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji, out of fear, as any talk outside of gurbani was not tolerated, and Mahpursh where always in a state of doing, or listening to Gurbani and no one would dare interupt it. The Singhs all sat with mahpursh wondering what should be done, and how the Naamdhari's should be dealt with.

Later in the evening diwan Sant Mahpursh Bhram Giani Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa, sat on stage and did Katha. Just by listening to the Katha the Naamdhari's realized who Mahpursh where (A true Sikh of Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji). The Katha hit deep down and the unfatmoable arth of Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji stung at the hearts of the Naamdhari's. Without wasting any time they all got there stuff together and ran away from Sri Hajoor Sahib Ji.

Morale: Many times we see parkhandhi babbay running prechaar against Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Quickly we are triggered to being angry and becoming hot headed. In this day and age espeically countless numbers of people are doing beadbi of Maharaaj and not conforming to parataan Rehat. By becoming angry and hot headed we are all causing fire, and likewise getting burned. Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is above all, they are untouchable and above all, it is no doubt our duty as the sons and daughters of Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji to have shardaa and respect towards Maharaaj, however acting out and acting rash is of no use to anyone.

The real way to act, should be to simply get on stage and do prechaar and Gurbani itself will teach and sting at the hearts of those doing wrong doings. Full faith in Gurbani should always be held. As Gurbani itself is above all, who are we to protect it? We can only simply ask for Gurbani to protect us. Many times we feel we need to protect Gurbani from evil mahaants, but just as children who get angry at someone teasing our parents, we fail to realize that this calling of names etc, is only bringing the other person down and weighing down on there own karm.

Sakhi typed as remembered, from the katha narration of Baba Charn Singh (Bhagat Ji).

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

taken from www.ikonkaar.blogspot.com

Benti to admin to please leave this thread. . . as its important and not just cussing naamdharis. . . thanks

[khalistan_zindabaad]

bump plz read

[N30S1NGH]

This sakhi is nothing new, is written by sevadars of sri man 108 sant baba gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale. It just talks about certain pratices in namdhari panth ie- ardas but doesnt state anything regarding sant baba gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale arguing with namdhari saints ie- baba pratap singh ji.

Ie- sant baba gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale also spoke very strongly against people who dont beleive in ragmalla but that does not mean they were against bhai randhir singh ji. they had nira pyaar towards each other. Similiarly, sants generally can speak against certain anti panthic pratices ie- ragmalla bani nahi hai or adding ardas of your own guru which excludes sri guru granth sahib ji but that does not mean they were against namdhari saints.

Go back read your history, events, sant jawala singh ji harkhowale who was super close with sant gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale was also very close with baba pratap singh ji namdhari.

Obviously, in a bhramgyani sangat there is only dristi - bhram/sam dristhi. I can bet you 110 % percent all the bhramgyanis from all the different samparda's of india whether it belongs to hinduism, sikhism or islam have nothing but niraa pyaar (pure stream of love) towards each other regardless of big or small ideological differences ..... i fail to see how in namdhari panth there are no bhramgyanis because history is witness, i have read many books of great mahapursh ie- sant jawala singh ji harkhowale, sant isher singh ji rara sahib, sri singh sahib yogi bhajan, sant narayan singh ji nanaksarwale, sant waryam singh ji ratwara sahib and many more promeint gursikhs in the panth ie- bhai avtar singh ji, bhai amrik singh and bhai dharam singh ji zakhmi have spoken very highly of namdhari saints and interacted with namdhari's saints.

[rupinder singh]

so namastang, according to ur expertise are the namdhari gurus brahamgyanis? if they claim to be the 15th jyot of Guru Nanak, is someone not lieing? can a brahamgyanis lie?

[proactive]

Namstangji hates those who say Guru Granth Sahib is the only Guru but loves Kukas who say they are the 11th..12th.. whatever 'guru'

No brahmgyanis do not lie. Fools call liars 'brahmgyanis'. Liars such as Kuka 'gurus', darshan das, ashutosh, radhaswami 'baba'

[(S Singh)]

The Kukas have a dislike for Taksal because the Damdami Taksal Sants have always openly spoken against the Kuka Gurgadhi. Sant Gurbachan Singh jee was against this practice. Even Sant Jarnail Singh Jee was against this practice of the Kukas and even said how he was going to do Parchar against them, but unfortunately operation blue star happened, and the Kukas have flourished.

The Kuka Gurus claim to be "Satgurus", which they call themselves in their Kuka Ardas. This is the highest blasphemy, and an insult to Sikhs who consider Guru Granth Sahib jee as Satguru.

[N30S1NGH]

Guys, i just want to make one thing clear, above post is not my view, i havent met any namdhari saints so that i cannot make any personal judgement on them. However, everything i said above is from the books, pictures, lectures of other samparda, great promeint sikhs talking about namdhari saints.

In nutshell here are the references ( i lll post more when i go home):

- Jivan Kirnaie book about sant jawala singh ji and saints he associated with and maryada's Its big book written by sant jagjit singh ji harkhowale and another harkhowale sant i forgot the name.

- video of sant maharaj ji rara sahib meeting with sant pratap singh ji namdhari

- Pictures and audio lectures of singh sahib harbhajan singh yogi talking about guru concept and khalsa concept, its referring to namdharis.

- pictures of bhai avtar singh ji bowing down to sant jagjit singh ji namdhari out of satkar because sant jagjit singh namdhari being senior raagi gurdev.

- picture of sant waryam singh ji ratwara and sant naryan singh ji nanaksarwale.

[(S Singh)]

Namstand Bhai Saab Jee, I don’t want to put you on the spot, but do you believe that the Kuka Gurus are "Satguru" as they claim to be? I know that you are a Sikh of Guru Granth Sahib Jee, but does it not make your blood boil to hear that they (Kuka Gurus) claim that Guru Gobind Singh Jee passed the Gurgadhi to "Guru" Balak Singh in 1812! and not Satguru Granth Sahib jee?

Then what remains the difference between them and the Ram Raiyas, Dhir Maliyas, Radhaswamis and others who make a similar claim to Gurgadhi of Guru Nanak Dev Jee?

There are some things Sikhs are willing to tolerate, but a Dhedhari Guru claiming he is on the GurGadhi which rightfully belongs to Guru Granth Sahib Jee is unacceptable.

[Guest militant singh]

Naamdharis are Hindus

[singh_bling]

i wanna be a naamtharee lol