Unity, peace, respect between indians

[Gurupreet]

I write this today as someone who once was full of anger and hate due to the events of 1984 but through reading and understanding have changed my ways, so share this with you, please read with a clear mind, peace. Satnam Waheguru!

I write this today because the divisiveness in the West between Indians

Of different religions saddens me. In India people of different faiths

Celebrate religious occasions together and it is sometime difficult to tell them apart!

Maybe, justifiably as we are from the same ethnic background and

bloodlines!

I at one time was not as well informed as I am today and I wish to pass

The benefit of the knowledge I have gained to others.

I recommend Unity, rather than divisiveness. Until I researched history

For myself, I used to be under false illusions and think us Sikhs saved

India from the muslims invaders and that Punjabi was a Sikh language only.

I used to think that we were different from our other Indian brothers.

But facts are often different from hearsay.The fundamentals of Sikhism

were formed during a time of great animosity between Hindus and the Muslim invaders.

A Hindu, by the name of Guru Nanak ( a Hindu Khatri by caste and it is

Stated that he was a descendent of Lord RAM Bhagvan Ji.) was preaching to the Hindus and Muslims not to fight one another, and tried to ensure them that it did not matter what religion anyone was, there is only one god and we are all his,children and should all live as one. He preached Love, peace and tolerance as is stated in the Hindu holy books.

How many follow this simple message today?

I used to think we saved India, But:

Today,

there are 23 million Sikhs in the world and 900 million Hindus!

82per cent of India is Hindu and 1.4 per cent Sikh. In the past there were even less

Sikhs! Our Sikh ancestors were only living and fighting alongside Hindu

Punjabis against the Muslim invaders in the Punjab, a relatively small

area when compared to India as a whole! There were over 500 districts in India of

which Punjab covered 15-16. Just by using this simple analogy, it is simple to understand that many more Hindus were fighting the Muslims all OVER INDIA, whilst the minority of Sikhs (Who were made up of the Punjabi speaking Hindus who chose to become Sikhs) were fighting in the North west of India!

During this time our Indian brothers were fighting the Muslims invaders in the

rest of India. It was the brave Hindu Maharashtran warriors in the central and

western parts, led by the great warrior Shivaji who were the only Indians to

never be defeated by the Muslim oppressors led by Aurangzeb and his followers!

There were brave Hindu fighters fighting all over India as far and wide as

Gujarat, Madras and Delhi.

Citing Guru Tegh Bahadur, the ninth Sikh guru, he said: "He himself

acknowledged Hum Hindu Hain". This is an erroneous view.

1n 1757 after the Great Banda Singh Bahadur ( who was also a Rajput

Hindu who later became a follower of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. A conversation between Guru Gobind Singhji and Banda Singh Bahadur clarifies this, "from today I am

Not a Rajput but a Sodhi, a Raghu. I'm no longer Bairagi, I'm your banda"

These lines were said by Banda Singh Bahadur to Guru Gobind Singhji Maharaj.

Banda Singh Bahadur, had more success against the muslim oppressors than any other

Sikh, as he was the only one that was able to take control of Punjab and push

Them back,even if it was for only a little while! However, after he was killed by

The Muslims oppressors, and they once again took control. The Hindus and

Sikhs in the Pu

njab were in a state of disarray.

The truth is that, it was only when the Maharashtran Marathi Hindu warriors, who had captured large parts of Central and southern India, and had defeated the muslim oppressors, and had come through Punjab with a little help from the Rajput Hindu Punjabis and pushed the Muslims even further back ; that the Khalsa army followed suit and was able to reclaim parts of Punjab! Until then they were forced to retreat into

the mountains and were regrouping!

I used to think our gurus and gods were separate and used to question

Why some sikhs and Hindus attended each others temples and gurdwaras, but:

In order to motivate the Hindus and Sikhs in Punjab to take up arms and

Fight against their muslim oppressors Guru Gobind singhji revived Hindu

Ksatryadharma ( The brave fighting ways of the Hindu Ksatrya’s as seen in

Mahabharat).Khalsas before going to war would read a prayer "chandi ka war" written

By Guru Gobind Singhji depicting the battle between Durga Mata Ji and

Maheshasur.Guru Gobind singhji also carried a small book of Shri Hanuman Ji, ( A

devotee of Lord Ram Bhagvan Ji, see Ramayan ) called Hanuman natak with him to

war.Guru Gobind Singhji had also gone to Himalayas for several years to meditate

in prayer to Lord Shiva Ji Bhagvan.

Unfortunately, these things are seldom highlighted.

Swami Vivekananda once said that the formation of Sikhism and khalsa

was to teach man how to live his life in the Kalyug by spending their life by

doing Sewa,Jap, Sumiran and to be a Sant Sepahi.To hold the scripture in one

hand and sword to defend Dharma.

How many of us follow this?

Many tenets of Sikhism are identical to Hindus (Dharma, Karma, Moksha,

Maya etc)? All 10 Gurus were born to Hindu families and the languages of

Punjabi And Hindi originated from Sanskrit.

It is most unfortunate that although these people : Hindu Marathis,

Hindu Punjabis, Hindus of other languages and Si

kh Punjabis saw each other as

One and fought like brothers, because they knew they were well aware that they

Were ONE RACE, today the same unity between their descendants is not there!

I used to think Punjabi was a Sikh language ONLY:

A simple answer to a surprisingly commonly asked question is Hindu

Punjabis were the first to use and the first to speak the Punjabi language! The

fact that some Hindu punjabis, were forced to convert to Islam, means Muslim

Punjabis were second. As stated above Guru Nanak Ji was born into a

Hindu Punjabi speaking family and after some other Hindus who spoke Punjabi

Converted to Sikhism and the birth of Sikhism, they also used the language. THE

FACT IS PUNJABI WAS SPOKEN FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS BY HINDUS LIVING IN THE PUNJAB BEFORE ANYONE EVER HEARD OF ISLAM AND SIKHISM!!

I used to wonder why some hindus called themselves Singh, it angered me, but Hindu Rajputs used the name Singh and Kaur long before the Khalsa came

into existance. In fact Gatka is believed to be warfare style derived from a

Rajput style of warfare. Guru Gobind Singh went around the Rajputana on his

Journey the Deccan visiting Rajput chietans reminding them of their glorious past and tried to inspire them to revolt against the tyrannical regime of the mughals. Maybe he saw something in their to past and tried to inspire them to revolt against the tryrannical regime of the Mughals. Maybe he saw something in their past heritage that made him try to do so.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji did not create the name Singh for his Sikhs. The

Name was in existance before his human life.

All the Sikhs and Hindus and there were 100,000s of them who fought the

Muslims and British were brave martyrs! From Shiva Ji and the Marathi warriors,

The Rajput Hindu Punjabis, Rajput Rajastanis and from Guru Nanak ji to Guru

GobindJi! None of the Sikhs became brave at becoming a Sikh! They were brave

To begin with,

because they believed in their cause, what was right and in the

History of India. They respected and believed in the great Hindu gods such as

Shiva ji Bhagvan, Shri Ram bhagvan Ji and Shri Krishna Bhagvan Ji .It is a fact

That many 1000's of times the name of Shri Ram and Krishna is referred to in

The Sikh holy book! In gurdwaras around the world a "Jyot" is lit everyday

In Lord Ram and Lord Krishnas name, but unfortunately, this not made common

knowledge! If it was there would be love and respect between people of these

religions!

Although, I can proudly say there were BRAVE SIKHS such as Banda Bahadur, Ranjit Singh,Bhagat Singh, and Uddam Singh. there were brave Hindus too.

Bhagat singh described himself as an aethiest NOT a Sikh! The two men

Who were hanged with him, sacrificed just as much as him and gave up there lives

too,WERE HINDUS!

In the legend of Bhagat Singh, the character of a Brahmin warrior /

Freedom fighter called Chandrasekhar Azad.This was the guy that Bhagat Singh

followed,( the big man played by Sunny Deol in the movie) was a Brahmin by the

name of Chadrasekhar Azad, who by the time he died at age 25, had killed over a

hundred British oppressors! That is more than Bhagat Singh and Uddam Singh and

any other Sikh freedom fighter!

Madan Lal Dhingra another HINDU came to England and also killed a

British villain years before Uddam Singh - Read about it!

Subhash Chandra Bhose another HINDU, a film about him will be released

Next year, also fought against the British and did more than most!

HE FOUGHT AGAINST and organised people against the British from Germany

During the second world war.

I USED TO HATE INDIRA GHANDHI AND THINK SHE WAS A HINDU AND IN TURN USED TO HATE HINDUS BUT : I then read a very interesting piece on this site, looked it up and it was true :

Manzoor Ali fathered Indira. Thus strictly speaking Indira was NOT Jawahar

's daughter at all. She was Kamala's baby.

This secret came out in a father to daughter conversation which was overheard by a Moslem lawyer, Mobarak Mazdoor, from his office next to the one occupied by Jawahar. The occasion was Indira's plan to leave India and settle abroad. Nehru was incensed. Indira was very much in love with Feroze Khan, son of Nawab Khan, the Moslem family grocer. Feroze sympathized with Indira who too had been practically abandoned by the aunts; the mother was eternally sick, and the widowed father was always chasing all kinds of women, breeding bastards. Her education was neglected. She was admitted in Oxford but driven out from there for non-performance. She was then admitted in Tagore's Shantiniketan but was chased out from there too for bad conduct. She had no proper education and was brought up almost as an orphan.

Indira was fully conscious of her half-Islamic parentage. Against Kamala's wishes, she married Feroze, whose own mother was a converted Parsi woman married to Nawab Khan. As soon as they got married in England, the old crow, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ordered Jawahar to force the bride and the bridegroom to change the name Khan, by an affidavit, to Ghandy, a Parsi sounding name. But the not so intelligent grocer's boy got the name changed to Gandhi instead; since then India had in its destiny a half-mussalmani to become its PM for many years under a false name and to promote the cause of Islam. No doubt, Gandhi's own Islamic roots contributed to this tragedy!

It became necessary for Indira to hide her true identity. To fool the people of India, she started wearing tilaks, began visiting temples (which is taboo in Islam) and so on. But not every one was fooled; she was denied entry into the Jagannath Temple. A veritable storm was raised by the secularists in India but Indira herself put a stop to the acrimony for fear of having to divulge more of her family secrets. Later, Nepal's famous Pashupatinath (Shiva) Temple deni

ed Rajiv's entry there which apparently had infuriated this man with only one grandfather. No one ever mentions Rajiv's other (the paternal) grandfather's name. Even now, when asked, people are told that Rajiv's grandfather was Nehru and no one is any the wiser about the name of his father's father!

It saddens me when fellow Sikhs talk about an independent Khalistan,

Where is the right place to start? we have as much a right to be part of INDIA

As anybody else, what is the point of separating from our brothers? Any

Way where would we start? Will we start with the western part of Punjab, which is

In Pakistan first! That is were Guru Nank Dev Ji's birth place is and is

The sight of your holiest shrines! Since In 1947, millions of Sikhs have been

Massacred in western Punjab by Muslims! In 1947 itself thousands of Sikhs were

slaughtered in a matter of weeks, and forced to leave their lands in

places such as Lyallpur and run to India! The better and richer land for

farming which was used and owned by the Sikh farmers was left behind by them when

they came to India! This land which they had spent years cultivating generated

millions.Land wise this was undoubtedly one of the richest parts of India!

There were 11-15 million reported Sikhs and Hindus in Pakistan in 1947

Where are they now? All killed, converted and the rest living as slaves!

Sikhs and Hindus now make up less than 1.5 per cent of the population

In Pakistan and live as slaves, unable to get regular employment or the

Simple right to vote because of their religion! Their women live and work as

Slaves and are used by the Muslim so called Chaudreys, just as they were by

The Muslim invaders! Whether they are married or not they are abused and are

Victims of hate, with no human rights! What is anyone doing to help them?

Hindus are not members of the SGPC and other Sikh bodies like a Muslim

General is of

Nankana Sahib, in Pakistan this is could be construed as ample

Evidence of them (muslims) wanting to control the Sikh Religion!

This is the greatest case of ethnic cleansing and worst case of

Human eradication in human history, it is far worse than Hitlers holocaust

Of the Jews!

Will we get the Western part of Punjab from Pakistan first, then talk

about India? At least in India, we are free to practice our religion and on

The whole are on very good terms with the Hindus! What is life REALLY like for

Sikhs in Pakistan! Do not believe the media and research the situation for real!

We are one of the youngest religions in the world, which isn’t a bad

thing.

Did u know that :

Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world at 85000 years ago, Islam

1400 years old, Sikhism Khalsa Over 300 years old. We as a young religion have gained much and can gain even more!

World population

Muslims 1.2 billion

Hindus 900 million

Sikhs 23 million

I firmly believe that the Indians of India regardless of their religion should remember we are of one ethnic race and bloodline. Irrespective of whether they are muslim, Sikh, Hindu or Christian and so live together in unity. The muslims of India who were converted, many by force did not have much of a choice and should not be hated.

My message is we are linked to India and must treat and respect our

Indian brothers as we like to be respected.

I grew up in India and have hindu friends who respect my festivals and traditions as i respect theirs. this is how It should be! Peace, Sat Sri Akal!

[V]

had a quick scan thorugh.didn't rea d the wholes post YET..tho i got a few

queries........I'll read the rest of the post and get back to u later

can u provide reference for this:

Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world at 85000 years ago

just to let u know...Sikhs / Panjabis do not have the same "ethnical race" as Hindus and Muslims.

as Panjabi/Sikhs are considered to be Aryans.

whilest Buddhism.Hindus are not..

not that I care about races but anyway.. ..

Bhulla CHukka maaf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Gurupreet]

Sat sri akal, friend, sure i can i attended a hindu temple in India whils in the punjab, have read about the the eastern religions of the world extensively, and it is also written in the exhibition section of the Neasden temple.

Sat sri akal, satnam, waheguru

[S1ngh]

Gurpreet (fake sikh name) REMEMBER ME ???

Vicky Singh from Sikh-history.com.. the one who told you that u typed the url address wrong.. instead of Hindu-history.com u typed sikh-history.com.. etc...

Anyway to sangat, Do not bother to reply to this guy, He will go and talk all crazy. He just got banned from sikh-history.com forum for spreading anti sikh messages etc.. and he copy/paste this stupid post of his to all sikh message boards..

btw, Gurpreet can u pls tell us ur real name ? Anyway.. just letting you know.. there are loads of chownkeedaar here at this forum.. if you cross the line of sanity. then SPANK.. they gonna kick you hard just kidding mate.. (maybe not)

Have fun..

[Guest Akaal108]

Until I researched history

For myself, I used to be under false illusions and think us Sikhs saved

India from the muslims invaders

False illusions aie......

MATTER OF THE FACT IS: SIKH GUROO MAHARAJ'S SAVED HINDU RACE FROM MUGHAL TRYANNY IN INDIA. IF IT WASNT FOR OUR GUROO'S MAHARAJ THEN INDIA WOULD BE MUGHALSTAN BY NOW!!!!

can you refute that???

Dont think soo

[Guest Akaal108]

Vicky Singh,

can you please pm me his ip addie if you dont mind... make sure virus doesnt come on SA...

akaaaaaaal hiii akaaaaal

anand hiii anand

[Gurupreet]

Sat sri akal, as far as the ethnicity question is concerned us punjabi sikhs do have the same ethnic background as the punjabi muslims and and Hindus, because if we go back 350 years or even prior to 1469 and before the bithe of Guru nanak, our ancestors were Hindu or muslim punjabis living in the punjab.

if we go even further back to the early part of the 17th century, before the muslim invasion, and before the forced conversion of some of the hindus to muslims, all the hindus in the punjab were obviously hindus( apart from a few buddists) these were our ancestors- the aryans as you say, religious wise hindu punjabiss, my friend!

sat sri akal

[Gurupreet]

vicky singh, at least i use my full name and your the one who hasnt got the courage to use your sikh name andis using a hindu name!

i just state what i belive to be facts and am open to crticism and do not fear it, especially from my sikh brothers!

ps i am not banned, as u put iot from the Sikh-history it was because i got embroiled into an arguement with peopl like you, who prefer to be rude arrogant and abusive.

i sincerely hope you will not continue with this!

Peace sat sri akal

[Gurupreet]

to N30 Singh, Sat sri akal friend first of all I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST my own people and would never write anything to put us down!

TO ME THE SIKH RELIGION IS THE GREATEST RELIGION THE WORLD!!!!!!

ps i challenge any 1 to show me wehre i have written anything NEGATIVE!!!!!!!!

sat sri akal

[S1ngh]

Hahaha.. im sewadar for sikh history forum so i know what goes around there

btw.. either hate it or love it vicky is my name

Okay We all here (except your case) are sikhs and wanna remain as sikhs and it's our sole identity !

There's nothing wrong with hindus, muslims, sikhs and so on.. it's ppls like YOU who want to create fire by posting such stupid posts.. At least write post on ur own.. u just copied and paste the whole damn thing..