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99.99% SIKHON KO BHI sRI ADI GRANTH SAHIB KYAA KEHTE HAIN NAHI MALOOM
hanji...lekin mr vijay kumar ko maloom hai rolleyes.gif
APKO TO SHAYED YE BHI REALIZE NAHI HOGA KE GURBANI KE ARTH KARNE KI BHI JAROORAT NAHI HAI...
phir Guru Maharaj ne aap arth kyon kiye thay? Baba Deep Singh aur Bhai Mani Singh ko arth kyon karaaye thay? itne vidvaano ne teekay kyon kiye?
ISKE ARTH ANDER SE HI NIKLTE HAIN AUR JO GURBANI KE AUR GURU SAHEBANO KE BACHNON KO ANDER SE SAMJHANA CHAHTA HAI TO USKE LIYE PEHLI SHARAT YE HAI US PAR SACHI BATON KA ASAR HONA CHAHYE JO AAP PAR TO HOTA HI NAHI JO AAPNE CLEARLY KABOOL KIAA HAI...
"sach" ek subjective word hai...jo aap ke liye sach hai, zaroori nahi mere liye sach hoga...ek Sikh ke liye sach wohi hai jo Gurbani ka sach hai...aise agar har kisi ke ultay seedhay sach ka asar honay laga, phir to mil gaya sach!
AGAR AAP MUJHSE BAAT KARNA CHAHE HAI TO GOOGLE TALK PE KAR SAKTE HAIN....
bahut bahut meherbaani aapki, lekin sangat ke saamne apne vichaar rakhna mai zaada zaroori samajhta hoon :lol:
VIJAY KUMAR KE SAMNE AAP NE JO MHATMA GANDI KA EXEMPLE DIAA HAI ... AAPKO BAAT BTAA DUN KE DONO ALAG ALAG FIELD KO BELONG KARTE HAIN.... POLITIACAL AUR SPIRITUALITY DONO ALAG ALAG FIELD HAI.... PAR AAP NE JO EXEMPLE DIAA HAI IS SE EK BAAT TO CLEAR HAI KE AAP POLITIACAL SOCH RAKHTE HAI AUR AAPKI BATIEN BHI KISI NETA YAN LEADER KE LEVEL KI HI HAI....
Gandhi apne aap ko politician nahi kehta tha...woh to spiritualism da dhol bajata rehta tha...aur ek baat aapko mai bhi bata doon, ki Sikhi mein raajnaitik shakti (miri) aur dharmik shakti (piri) poori trah alag nahi hai...Kalgidhar Maharaj ke vachan hain "Raj bina nahi Dharam chaley hain"...Sikhi mein politics aur spirituality saath saath chalte hain...
JIS AKAL PURAKH KA MERE KALGIDHAR PATSHAH NE JIKAR KIAA HAI US SE AAP BAHUT DOOR HAI AUR AAP CHAHE AHEM KI VJAH SE KABOOL NAA KAREN PAR JAB ANDER KI MEIN" (EGO ) MAR GAYEE TO BAAT KARNA ...
jab aisa ho jaayega to aapse baat kaun karega :T: ...and by the way, mujhe nahi lagta ki aapki ya aapke vijay kumar ki abhi itni avastha hai ki aap kisi aur ko google map ki trah bata sako ki woh Gurujee se kitna door ya nazdeek hai...baaki ahem kis mein nahi hai? aap mein nahi hota to aap yahaan post karke vijay kumar ko defend karne nahi aate...vaise apni sachi salaah dene ke liye bahut bahut dhanyavaad babaji...
AAJ TO AAP APNE AAP MEIN HI SANT BABA JI KE DARSHAN KARNE KI BAAT KARTE HAIN PAR JAB HAR INSAAN MEIN SANT BABA JI DARSHAN HONE LAGE... EK LABOUR SE LEKAR RAJA TAK MEIN BHI AAPKO SANT BABA JI KE DARSHAN HONE LAG JAYE TO BAAT KARNA.....
ek baar phir salaah ka bahut bahut dhanyavaad, par kya aapki apni avastha yahaan tak pahunch chuki hai?
AUR EK BAAT BTAA DU YE DARSHAN TABHI HONGE AGAR AAP PAR SACHAEE KI BATON KA ASAR HONE LAG JAYE...
Gurbani ke alawa mujhe kisi aur baat ke asar mein aane ki zaroorat nahi...aapka sach aapko mubarak ho
MEY SATGURU SACHE PATSHAH JI BLESS U WITH STRENGTH TO MERGE WITH THE WHOLE TRUTH ........
May Gurujee bless you with the gyaan and prem of Gurbani

seedhi seedhi 2 tukk baat yeh hai ki jis Khalsay ko Gurujee ne kaha hai "RAJ KAREGA KHALSA", kisi maayee ke laal ki aukaat nahi ki woh us Khalsay ke khaatme ki baat karey...woh chaahe koi bhi ho...Sikh kaum mein bhi faaltu bakwaas karne waale so-called scholars ki koi kami nahi...unhein bhi baksha nahi jaata, to vijay kumar ki baat par hum kaise vishwaas kar lein?

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wah wah

kya baat hai, mere sikh bhaio

is vijay ko mun-toodh jawab diye hain...

vijay bhai, tum bhi kya yaad karoge sikhon se pala para tha, woh bhi ONLINE

chalo

itna kaffi ho gaya

namaskaram

shubh raatri (shayed gujrati mein hai)

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mehtab how dare you didn't invite me to join in this thread even knowing my hind-english is too good ohmy.gif (jk)

array bai kayko punga layvat haiii... hamko malum hai ki tum hey kumar sahib ho... ham tumko ek baat battatay hain.. tum galat jigah par aan tapkay.. tum yahan saay baag jayo.. bil kul vassay jaisay tumaray baap loog bhagay thay jub koe war shar lagdey, chahay pakistan ki or ajjadi ki...

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